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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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manwithnoname said:
I don't understand why Teachers are a protected species, when the poor fuckers at Tesco are exposed to hundreds of strangers every day.
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Why should they not be protected?

Have they put PPE into schools - teachers teaching from behind screens, etc?

Are you going in to work? Presume you’re not exposed to hundreds of strangers a day, so no reason for you not to get out there?

Getting kids back to school has very little to do with teaching - teaching can be done from home, online, easily.

The main benefit of sending kids back to school is to free up parents to get back to work and to lay the ground work for people to blame for if that doesn’t happen.

Aren’t schools shutting for summer in a month or so anyway?
 
rubans said:
Thing is investment banking is fucked in this country for the near future and no real chance of UK holding on to the role as a world leader financial hub wIth all the regulation it’s been through and with the impending Brexit. It may work that out to an advantage but normally the gov prefers to a load of shouting fisherman with GDP of 0.12% v IB of 7 %, I doubt anything is going to improve that. Maybe PPE manufacturing will be the next growing sector.
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Brexit was a vote for capitalism, the last election was a total and utter rejection socialism. That is what the people decided democratically. Our great thinkers of a government dithered for years, deep in thought, gotta be patient, they'll figure it out in the end, lots of thinking to be done, obviously have to deliver the will of the people. Four years pass. Here comes a virus, instantly the tory cunts stop thinking, and deliver socialism overnight. These same bastards who took four years to fail to deliver capitalism (which would help the people) with excuse after excuse, and yet inside four weeks they've delivered the sort of communism (which helps no one but themselves) that would make even corbyn wince. Their intentions are clear. Unless you kill them and start again, then forget about it.
 
StevieM said:
Aren’t schools shutting for summer in a month or so anyway?
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I would assume there is no need for 'Summer Hols' this year ? Are they still going to happen ? People may argue that they need a holiday just for a change of scenery but with the continuing restrictions that's going to be unlikely. Definitely no overseas trips to the European mainland !

Here in Austria they are discussing opening up for domestic tourism only for now (though the border with Germany will reopen around mid-July I think I read, maybe it was earlier).

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dantes said:
Brexit was a vote for capitalism, the last election was a total and utter rejection socialism. That is what the people decided democratically. Our great thinkers of a government dithered for years, deep in thought, gotta be patient, they'll figure it out in the end, lots of thinking to be done, obviously have to deliver the will of the people. Four years pass. Here comes a virus, instantly the tory cunts stop thinking, and deliver socialism overnight. These same bastards who took four years to fail to deliver capitalism (which would help the people) with excuse after excuse, and yet inside four weeks they've delivered the sort of communism (which helps no one but themselves) that would make even corbyn wince. Their intentions are clear. Unless you kill them and start again, then forget about it.
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What are you babbling on about now you crazy fool?
 
Frogfish said:
I would assume there is no need for 'Summer Hols' this year ? Are they still going to happen ? People may argue that they need a holiday just for a change of scenery but with the continuing restrictions that's going to be unlikely. Definitely no overseas trips to the European mainland !

Here in Austria they are discussing opening up for domestic tourism only for now (though the border with Germany will reopen around mid-July I think I read, maybe it was earlier).
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I don’t know - I’d assume “holidays” aren’t happening this year - even domestic tourism would seem unlikely.

You’d have to be largely mad or completely irresponsible to go on a holiday at the moment - wouldn’t you?
 
StevieM said:
Getting kids back to school has very little to do with teaching - teaching can be done from home, online, easily.

The main benefit of sending kids back to school is to free up parents to get back to work and to lay the ground work for people to blame for if that doesn’t happen.
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That's exactly it, plain as day really.

Talks Sense.. a few teachers I know have been working hard to impliment online/ home learning..

Problem is it doesn't work for all kids, problematic children from socially deprived backgrounds, because of their upbringing is difficult to manage..

You know those young children, shoved in front of an IPAD or TV 24/7 because parent have no time for them..


Clarity

• 75 Teaching staff have died of CV19
• 5,000 UK Children have been infected with 500 hospitalised and 13 dead
• 100+ UK Kids have Kawasaki linked CV19 with 1 dead
• Children proven to transmit viruses
• Coronavirus can be caused by talking indoors i.e droplets suspend in air 14mins
• Children from deprived background from socially deprived areas could potentially pose a bigger risk to teachers and other children.
• Carefully managed plan need to be in place. Far too draconian measures could potentially have serious Mental Health implication on both Children and Teachers

You would be crazy to send your child into a school at the moment..

Open the schools by all means, when it's safe and the right restrictions are in place to do so.. Just make sure they are completely empty until September at the earliest.
 
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6TimesaRed said:
That's exactly it, plain as day really.

Talks Sense.. a few teachers I know have been working hard to impliment online/ home learning..

Problem is it doesn't work for all kids, problematic children from socially deprived backgrounds, because of their upbringing is difficult to manage..

You know those young children, shoved in front of an IPAD or TV 24/7 because parent have no time for them..
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It does highlight the divisions In society between those that have and those that have not.

I agree - it does seems to be sending kids back to school in this - but I don’t have kids - so it’s easy for me to think like that.
 
StevieM said:
I don’t know - I’d assume “holidays” aren’t happening this year - even domestic tourism would seem unlikely.

You’d have to be largely mad or completely irresponsible to go on a holiday at the moment - wouldn’t you?
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For the vast majority that is likely true (though I suppose hotels can be made to reduce capacity to comply with social distancing, lift use, dining areas, maid service etc.) but there are other forms of holidaying (camping, caravans, hiking, boats, canal longboats etc.) that could be considered acceptable depending on how they are managed. I can see this being important to people's mental health.

Of course there are the by-products (petrol stations, breakdowns, increased public transport etc.) that would need consideration. However without some form of lessening of restrictions I imagine a huge number of small businesses in the UK tourist industry will file for bankruptcy and many many more lose their jobs.

NOTE : Tourism contributes £106 billion to the British economy & GDP and supports 2.6 million jobs. By 2025 the UK tourism industry will be worth over £257 billion, around 10% of the UK GDP. The industry supports 3.8 million jobs and has a huge impact on the UK economy.
 
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StevieM said:
What are you babbling on about now you crazy fool?
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Than when faced with having to do capitalist things like introduce tariffs and lower taxes, our government faked the whole thing pretending the job was hard. Now when faced with having to do socialist things like increase borrowing and taking ownership of financial assets, the government did those things at a moment's notice. So when you look at the balance sheets of the public and private sector, after the dust settles, what we will have is a communist dictatorship in all but name. So yes, it's over.

At least with Putin, you can theoretically vote him out. With us, it doesn't matter what the government the people choose stands for or promises. Because you can't vote out the central bank which owns them.
 
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At its special meeting on 19 March 2020 the MPC judged that a further package of measures was warranted to meet its statutory objectives. It voted unanimously to increase the Bank of England’s holdings of UK government bonds and sterling non-financial investment-grade corporate bonds by £200 billion to a total of £645 billion, financed by the issuance of central bank reserves.1

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Greta Thunberg: suffers autistic breakdown upon sight of the hockey stick graph.

Bank of England: hold my beer...

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dantes said:
Than when faced with having to do capitalist things like introduce tariffs and lower taxes, our government faked the whole thing pretending the job was hard. Now when faced with having to do socialist things like increase borrowing and taking ownership of financial assets, the government did those things at a moment's notice. So when you look at the balance sheets of the public and private sector, after the dust settles, what we will have is a communist dictatorship in all but name. So yes, it's over.

At least with Putin, you can theoretically vote him out. With us, it doesn't matter what the government the people choose stands for or promises. Because you can't vote out the central bank which owns them.
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And how exactly should the Government have dealt with Coronavirus - cut taxes, stick some tariffs on Chinese imports and shout every man/woman/child for themselves?
 
Frogfish said:
For the vast majority that is likely true (though I suppose hotels can be made to reduce capacity to comply with social distancing, lift use, dining areas, maid service etc.) but there are other forms of holidaying (camping, caravans, hiking, boats, canal longboats etc.) that could be considered acceptable depending on how they are managed. I can see this being important to people's mental health.

Of course there are the by-products (petrol stations, breakdowns, increased public transport etc.) that would need consideration. However without some form of lessening of restrictions I imagine a huge number of small businesses in the UK tourist industry will file for bankruptcy and many many more lose their jobs.

NOTE : Tourism contributes £106 billion to the British economy & GDP and supports 2.6 million jobs. By 2025 the UK tourism industry will be worth over £257 billion, around 10% of the UK GDP. The industry supports 3.8 million jobs and has a huge impact on the UK economy.
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Well - if Governments found the necessary funding to make sure banks didn’t collapse - I’m sure they’ll find a way to endure the Tourism industry gets some help.
 
Herd immunity in the UK is NOT a theory, its literally what they told us they were doing. Then they said they weren't, yet their actions say otherwise.

Regards the schools, its just not feasible, even logistically (ignoring the impossibility of telling a 6 year old to stay 2m away from anyone).

Classrooms.
There's enough room in school for the number of kids that are there. There isn't three times the amount of classrooms. So you can't keep the distances in there.

Teachers
Ignoring the above, assume they magically find three times more classrooms, who teaches the kids? There is one teacher per classroom plus a couple of floaters & a few (much less due to huge budget cuts the year before last) TA's.
That's not enough to staff each room cos there needs to be more rooms. Again, that's ignoring the fact many of them will be unable to work as they live with shielded people etc.

Pick up & drop offs.
This isn't done by parents at least half the time, its done by grandparents, relatives, family friends & other parents sharing/splitting duties. None of that is possible.

Toilets.
Kids need it when they need it. There aren't enough teachers to take them at a social distance & keep an eye on the kids & ensure another kid can get to a toilet in time whilst keeping distance.

These are just the logistical points that spring to mind.

I'm sure there are solutions to many of them, but they're not easily implemented in a few weeks.

There's approx 6 weeks til the end of term from mid June (when they want most primary school kids back), just leave it til September & give the schools, unions, etc, time to plan the logistics as best as possible, then give them the funding to put it into action.
 
StevieM said:
And how exactly should the Government have dealt with Coronavirus - cut taxes, stick some tariffs on Chinese imports and shout every man/woman/child for themselves?
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This thread is a pretty good synopsis of everything the government did wrong every step of the way. In terms of economics, then by temporarily nationalising key sectors of the economy and letting no other parts of the economy function during the lock down.
 
dantes said:
This thread is a pretty good synopsis of everything the government did wrong every step of the way. In terms of economics, then by temporarily nationalising key sectors of the economy and letting no other parts of the economy function during the lock down.
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What parts should they have “let function”.
 
6TimesaRed said:
That's exactly it, plain as day really.

Talks Sense.. a few teachers I know have been working hard to impliment online/ home learning..

Problem is it doesn't work for all kids, problematic children from socially deprived backgrounds, because of their upbringing is difficult to manage..

You know those young children, shoved in front of an IPAD or TV 24/7 because parent have no time for them..


Clarity

• 75 Teaching staff have died of CV19
• 5,000 UK Children have been infected with 500 hospitalised and 13 dead
• 100+ UK Kids have Kawasaki linked CV19 with 1 dead
• Children proven to transmit viruses
• Coronavirus can be caused by talking indoors i.e droplets suspend in air 14mins
• Children from deprived background from socially deprived areas could potentially pose a bigger risk to teachers and other children.
• Carefully managed plan need to be in place. Far too draconian measures could potentially have serious Mental Health implication on both Children and Teachers

You would be crazy to send your child into a school at the moment..

Open the schools by all means, when it's safe and the right restrictions are in place to do so.. Just make sure they are completely empty until September at the earliest.
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Have you ever considered going back to school?
 
StevieM said:
What parts should they have “let function”.
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Basic utilities, energy, healthcare, food production, telecommunications, distribution. Whatever is needed to keep the lights on, done under temporary state ownership / emergency powers / order 51. Absolutely no competition for goods and services should have been allowed to take place during the lock down. You get your food, your broadband, your rented flat, your water, your electricity, your newspaper, all from designated government providers. No choices, no competition.

Once everything blew over, the virus was eliminated, then you could simply hand the controls back to dantes the private sector, and all the jobs that were there before would still be there. The only reason things have gone to shit and half the furloughed workforce will soon be unemployed is purely because their businesses couldn't run, whilst their competitors in a different sector could.
 
I saw that Daily Mail headline earlier and it's just so transparent in it's intentions - shame people buy into this stuff.

Anyways, yeah, it seems too early to open things up here. I get the need to get the economy going but looking at the numbers (daily death rates at least), it doesn't feel like we've gotten a handle on the virus.

You look at other countries easing restrictions and the number of daily deaths are in the tens, if that, and we're still reporting hundreds of deaths a day with occasional spikes upwards.
 
dantes said:
Basic utilities, energy, healthcare, food production, telecommunications, distribution. Whatever is needed to keep the lights on, done under temporary state ownership / emergency powers / order 51. Absolutely no competition for goods and services should have been allowed to take place during the lock down. You get your food, your broadband, your rented flat, your water, your electricity, your newspaper, all from designated government providers. No choices, no competition.

Once everything blew over, the virus was eliminated, then you could simply hand the controls back to dantes the private sector, and all the jobs that were there before would still be there. The only reason things have gone to shit and half the furloughed workforce will soon be unemployed is purely because their businesses couldn't run, whilst their competitors in a different sector could.
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... and you’re accusing Boris of creating a “communist dictatorship”!!!

Does Big D know he should be acting like China on steroids?
 
StevieM said:
... and you’re accusing Boris of creating a “communist dictatorship”!!!

Does Big D know he should be acting like China on steroids?
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What part of temporary did you fail to understand? A few months of communism is preferable to the rest of our probably short lives. Sadly this was never an option for Big D, his people are devout capitalists and they have guns.
 
Sadiq Khan (ye who raised taxes. Raised stabbings. Raised crime. Raised the deficit. Raised funding to faith schools) is getting slaughtered by the fake (on this occasion real) news. About time. "The tube is perfectly safe. No risk of getting infected. Carry on as you were". Fuck me. The utter moron. Thousands dead. Tube subsequently bankrupt and now needs a government handout. I guess you should use your car after all. Sadiq Khan: Raises the congestion charge by 50% at this time because climate change. Fuck me.
 
Just had a phone call from the kids primary school.

Wanted to check if I'd be sending the kids in come June if they were to reopen.

I said I wouldn't be sending them in until September at the very earliest.

Asked her then what other parents had said, & whether they'd actually be opening. She said she'd be amazed if they opened as they haven't been able to formulate any kind of plan that satisfies the guidance they should follow before opening, I was one of the last parents they've contacted & they have had only a couple of parents say they'd send their kids in, & even they said they were very concerned & would want to know exactly how they'd keep their kids safe before fully committing.
 
keniget said:
I saw that Daily Mail headline earlier and it's just so transparent in it's intentions - shame people buy into this stuff.

Anyways, yeah, it seems too early to open things up here. I get the need to get the economy going but looking at the numbers (daily death rates at least), it doesn't feel like we've gotten a handle on the virus.

You look at other countries easing restrictions and the number of daily deaths are in the tens, if that, and we're still reporting hundreds of deaths a day with occasional spikes upwards.
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Note that deaths are most often 2-3 weeks behind infections and most countries are therefore basing lifting restrictions on the number of new infections.
 
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Also, you probably read it as "And they're probably the only ones know about", which is hardly close to what ninja said at all is it?

The more pertinent question to ask him would be "Where?"
 
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