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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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The Nomad said:
R is back above 1 in some parts of the country. Mainly linked to care homes and hospitals.
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That doesn't necessarily mean that the R value has risen in the community or even that the R value has necessarily risen in care homes and hospitals either though. The R value could have fallen in both but if (as you'd reasonably expect) the value is higher in care homes, that takes on a higher proportion when they calculate the total.

I couldn't confidently say if it is one or the other (though given we are likely not to see the result of any lockdown change, however tiny, until later, I rather doubt the community R has risen much) but what it does illustrate is that the government needs to consider different settings and locations and the variations between them. Not easy of course, as no one setting is completely separate to another.

Ultimately the R value is complicated, but as the government has chosen to use this as a factor in this, they could really do with trying to make it less so!!
 
I think we might see some changes in the new cases figure in the next day or two. The deaths will take another couple of weeks.
 
Woland said:
I think we might see some changes in the new cases figure in the next day or two. The deaths will take another couple of weeks.
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yeah, we might do. If there is any impact of this week’s slight changes then you’d think they would start showing over the next week.

For the record, and based on absolutely nothing other than a hunch, I don’t think we will see much anything meaningful in the way of easing in June. I hope I am wrong though, obviously.
 
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Spot the difference, compared to the Daily mail front page..

Qwhite Telling..
 
Richey said:
yeah, we might do. If there is any impact of this week’s slight changes then you’d think they would start showing over the next week.

For the record, and based on absolutely nothing other than a hunch, I don’t think we will see much anything meaningful in the way of easing in June. I hope I am wrong though, obviously.
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Anecdotally, the roads seem much busier this week. It's hard to say if things will get bad again though, because of all that stuff about many of of the riskiest groups having already been exposed to it
 
Should be yards.. particularly for the brexiteers amongst us..

Seriously though, UK has been metric for some time..

Yet we still use Miles and Yards as measurement on the of roads and traffic..
 
6TimesaRed said:
Should be yards.. particularly for the brexiteers amongst us..

Seriously though, UK has been metric for some time..

Yet we still use Miles and Yards as measurement on the of roads and traffic..
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Anyone over about 40 still uses imperial for most things. Pretty much everyone uses imperial for people's height and weight, and distances.

It's always been a mess, as long as I've known it. Hopefully we'll go back to nice traditional measures now we don't have to do what the EU tells us.
 
peterhague said:
Anyone over about 40 still uses imperial for most things. Pretty much everyone uses imperial for people's height and weight, and distances.

It's always been a mess, as long as I've known it. Hopefully we'll go back to nice traditional measures now we don't have to do what the EU tells us.
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Case and point...

Im over 40. Use Metric for measurement and weight..

Should go back to Pounds, shilling and pence whilst we are at it..

In seriousness I always thought Imperial system was well fucked up.. Metric is just so much easier.....



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That's weird that you use metric even for height. I think the only people I know who do that are foreign tbh.

Personally I think imperial is easier, fundamentally. Metric is basically an arbitrary system, whereas imperial is on a human scale: an inch is roughly the size of the end joint of a thumb, a foot the size of your, well, foot, a pound the weight of apples you can hold in your hand etc.
 
peekay said:
In my community meat = chicken and fish. We are coastal people and have access to fresh fish and chickens. Even though we have refrigerators we rarely store meat in them. Sometimes we store cooked meat dish but to the extent possible we avoid it. We buy fish caught the same day in the morning and cook it and eat it the same day. Having said that we are vegetarians, 95-98% of the time. So even if we don't have meat for a year or two it is no big deal for us. People in the interior of India obviously may not have access to fresh fish but I am confident their meat is fresh.

I have gotten used to western-style chicken after coming to the US. Definitely prefer chicken in India. Still cannot eat frozen fish sold in grocery markets here in the US. My biggest issue is the lack of proper vegetarian options (salad does not count) in western cuisine, or maybe I should say US cuisine.
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Honestly, the diet you’re describing sounds a lot healthier than what most people eat in the West. So if the response from this pandemic is going to be an attempt to replace this with industrialized food production in the name of “safety,” fuck that.
 
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This is in Long Island, New York yesterday - local TV news tried to film the “anti-lockdown rally.” Thank God these people are not armed since NY is not an open carry state. In Michigan, the state legislature had to disperse because of armed Trump zombies basically taking over the state capitol.
 
peterhague said:
That's weird that you use metric even for height. I think the only people I know who do that are foreign tbh.

Personally I think imperial is easier, fundamentally. Metric is basically an arbitrary system, whereas imperial is on a human scale: an inch is roughly the size of the end joint of a thumb, a foot the size of your, well, foot, a pound the weight of apples you can hold in your hand etc.
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Well a metre is basically three times my dick.

So there's human scale too.
 
peterhague said:
That's weird that you use metric even for height. I think the only people I know who do that are foreign tbh.

Personally I think imperial is easier, fundamentally. Metric is basically an arbitrary system, whereas imperial is on a human scale: an inch is roughly the size of the end joint of a thumb, a foot the size of your, well, foot, a pound the weight of apples you can hold in your hand etc.
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Metric is based on ten, you know we have ten fingers (well, 8 fingers and two thumbs). It's much easier then imperial. 16 ounces to a pound, 14 pounds to a stone. 120 stone in a hundred weight. 3 feet to a yard and I can't remember how many yards in a mile.
 
rurikbird said:
Honestly, the diet you’re describing sounds a lot healthier than what most people eat in the West. So if the response from this pandemic is going to be at attempt to replace this with industrialized food production in e name of “safety,” fuck that.
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Ha. I don't want to give the mistaken impression that our diet is extremely healthy or anything to that effect. Just to give a little bit of background.

My parents grew up in poverty. So part of the reason why our community never ate a lot of meat was they couldn't afford meat. Once my dad and his cousins got jobs they became middle class but the dietary practices from childhood remained. I was bought up on the same diet. We don't eat a lot of meat. It is dominated by vegetables and a lot of carbs. Rice plays an important role in our diet which is not good. People from our community eat a lot of coconut-based dishes as it is available in plenty in Kerala. Google Kerala and you will see the coconut tree in almost all the pictures.

I think one of the results from this pandemic is going to be policy decisions to change to more western-style meat practices. Before Brendan and his compadres, jump on this post and claim I am advocating western countries learn from India or any bs like that, that is not my point. But I am very curious as to how the Indian government and other Asian countries implement it. Forget the taste and meat being fresh angle. The supply chain for food for a majority of 1.3 billion will have to be changed.

30-40% of the Indian population who eat meat will not even be able to afford meat from western style supermarkets. The existing supply chain, meat shops, fish markets, everything will have to modified. In large parts of coastal Kerala, we have people carrying fishes in a basket biking or walking through neighborhoods selling them. They purchase fresh fish from fishermen in the morning and then take it to the neighborhoods. These people make a hooting noise traveling through the neighborhood. Whatever fish they have you haggle and negotiate and purchase. There is no refrigeration. If your house is near the end of the route of the person selling fish, and if a lot of fish isn't sold, you can actually buy a lot of fish at a low price. The entire fish supply chain is a critical component of Kerala economy.
 
Athens said:
Metric is based on ten, you know we have ten fingers (well, 8 fingers and two thumbs). It's much easier then imperial. 16 ounces to a pound, 14 pounds to a stone. 120 stone in a hundred weight. 3 feet to a yard and I can't remember how many yards in a mile.
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There's only one set of units that matter. Natural units. Planck length. Solar mass. Light year. Electron volt. And so forth. Imperial and metric are as arbitrary as each other.
 
peekay said:
Ha. I don't want to give the mistaken impression that our diet is extremely healthy or anything to that effect. Just to give a little bit of background.

My parents grew up in poverty. So part of the reason why our community never ate a lot of meat was they couldn't afford meat. Once my dad and his cousins got jobs they became middle class but the dietary practices from childhood remained. I was bought up on the same diet. We don't eat a lot of meat. It is dominated by vegetables and a lot of carbs. Rice plays an important role in our diet which is not good. People from our community eat a lot of coconut-based dishes as it is available in plenty in Kerala. Google Kerala and you will see the coconut tree in almost all the pictures.

I think one of the results from this pandemic is going to be policy decisions to change to more western-style meat practices. Before Brendan and his compadres, jump on this post and claim I am advocating western countries learn from India or any bs like that, that is not my point. But I am very curious as to how the Indian government and other Asian countries implement it. Forget the taste and meat being fresh angle. The supply chain for food for a majority of 1.3 billion will have to be changed.

30-40% of the Indian population who eat meat will not even be able to afford meat from western style supermarkets. The existing supply chain, meat shops, fish markets, everything will have to modified. In large parts of coastal Kerala, we have people carrying fishes in a basket biking or walking through neighborhoods selling them. They purchase fresh fish from fishermen in the morning and then take it to the neighborhoods. These people make a hooting noise traveling through the neighborhood. Whatever fish they have you haggle and negotiate and purchase. There is no refrigeration. If your house is near the end of the route of the person selling fish, and if a lot of fish isn't sold, you can actually buy a lot of fish at a low price. The entire fish supply chain is a critical component of Kerala economy.
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Agree with rurik, this is far superior to the western diet and supply chain, and has no relationship to chinese wet markets. The only reason to ditch it in favour of western style supermarkets is if globalist lizards want to steal your country's wealth.
 
dantes said:
There's only one set of units that matter. Natural units. Planck length. Solar mass. Light year. Electron volt. And so forth. Imperial and metric are as arbitrary as each other.
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So, how heavy are you in terms of solar mass?
 
Richey said:
That doesn't necessarily mean that the R value has risen in the community or even that the R value has necessarily risen in care homes and hospitals either though. The R value could have fallen in both but if (as you'd reasonably expect) the value is higher in care homes, that takes on a higher proportion when they calculate the total.

I couldn't confidently say if it is one or the other (though given we are likely not to see the result of any lockdown change, however tiny, until later, I rather doubt the community R has risen much) but what it does illustrate is that the government needs to consider different settings and locations and the variations between them. Not easy of course, as no one setting is completely separate to another.

Ultimately the R value is complicated, but as the government has chosen to use this as a factor in this, they could really do with trying to make it less so!!
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No problem, turns out R isn't that important after all according to the government today. That's a relief, schools can still be reopened post haste.

Obviously you might not get their thinking, so the government explained it for dummies: R has a confidence interval around it, a measure of how confident we are in it.

CONFIDENCE INTERVAL = A MEASURE OF HOW CONFIDENT YOU ARE IN IT.

Fucking mercy. The retarded bitch should go back to school alongside the kids. And take the rest of her stupid government with her.
 
dantes said:
Agree with rurik, this is far superior to the western diet and supply chain, and has no relationship to chinese wet markets. The only reason to ditch it in favour of western style supermarkets is if globalist lizards want to steal your country's wealth.
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Our meat and fish markets are incredibly unhygienic too.
 
peekay said:
Our meat and fish markets are incredibly unhygienic too.
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There has to be a happy medium between fly and rat-infested unsanitary open-air markets and the American-style large-scale meat production, which has plenty of problems. The markets I've been to in Italy are lovely – both fresh and sanitary.
 
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