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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

Yup. He's an odd one.

This is a decent article on the risk of transmission from simply going to the shop:

 
Yup. He's an odd one.

This is a decent article on the risk of transmission from simply going to the shop:



Weird you say that cos a mate called me up yesterday after a month and I wondered he’s been quiet, apparently he had Corvid.
He said pretty sure it’s from super markets and he only goes every 3 or 4 days but he did say it’s was the superstore.
 
Yup. He's an odd one.

This is a decent article on the risk of transmission from simply going to the shop:



His mind isn't relentless enough to uncover how the virus concentration on a mask grows with time. Which is the difference between the best researchers humanity has to offer and dantes.
 
All good mate - totally accept your points.

NZ & Australia are still facing their own challenges from this - Overseas tourism is massive for the economy - yet they went hard on closing the borders - you enter Australia - you go into self isolation for 14 days regardless of who you are or where you came from. (Can’t speak for NZ). I’m not even sure whether you’re allowed to go home to self isolate - you get locked up in a hotel for 2 weeks.

The government pays for that in most cases.

Australia shut down hospitality relatively quickly - not allowed on golf courses or beaches either (although that’s loosening), the AFL season got pulled just as it was starting (which is huge is Australia).

We’re ramping up testing with centres pop up testing set up at hospitals - medical staff have PPE - not abundant amounts but enough (missus is a Paramedic).

They major fuckups were at the start - Sydney’s spike in cases was largely cause by allowing people to leave a cruise ship without checking if anyone was infected.

Those that can work have been trying to from home or observing social distancing measures - while those that can’t are being helped with aid packages (no idea how well - as I’m lucky enough to be working).

I don’t know whether it’s enough - we’ve been bloody lucky with lots of things - and Christ knows what’ll happen at the other end, but again, the Government has been decisive when it had to be.
Good luck to your missus !

I'm pretty sure NZ was the same - 14 days. Although if coming from certain countries no entry on any account.
 
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Just read that female "soccer" player Meghan Rapinoe has offered to be his running mate.

Trump will win again.
 
Yeah.
WTF.

Golf courses should just be opened up as public land so ppl have more room to go outside for walks while maintaining physical distancing. What a superfluous, unnecessary reopening.

That isn't going to happen though. I do think that if any sport can be played safely it is golf. Open air, you don't need to be anywhere near your opponent. It may seem superfluous, but if it is safe and gives its participants pleasure and a sense of normality then why not? Life is made worth living by all the superfluous things. My wife manages a golf club in the Greater London area, so I do have an iron in this fire (excuse the pun), but I don't see why this shouldn't be done, if it has sensible rules in place.

This might also be said of other past-times, fishing, surfing, kayaking, whatever. So long as you can travel to do your activity in a safe, socially distant way, then why the hell not? People are going to have to live with social distancing for the long haul, so we need to be sensible about it, and look what brings risks, and what carries very low risks, and for the sake of sanity, allow people latitude to do safe activities in a responsible way.

I mean every time I go for my daily Government sanctioned walk with my kids, I have fucking cyclists and joggers puffing along beside me and my family, often within 2 metres, ejecting their breath in big gasps as they go. I'd ban those cunts tomorrow. You can't tell me that's safer than people wandering about a golf course spanking their balls in and out of hazards at a complete distance from their playing partner.
 
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My mate, he's about 60 odd, plays golf with his little gang about 4 times a week. Spoke to him yesterday, they're all gutted, about a stone heavier than this time last month. Did make me wonder about which is likely to cause more harm. Like you say, you don't have to be close to people to play golf and for a lot of retired people it's great exercise.
 
Golf is fascinating.

There's so much snobbery both ways, with people thinking it's a Mondeo Man, middle-class white pursuit, with no girls allowed, racism galore at the 19th hole and huge, expensively maintained swathes of greenery that could be better used for...I dunno, lesbian yoga classes and more council estates.

The ones I've been to - which is maybe three times ever - just seem to be a way for older blokes to have a few hours out of the house, get a bit of exercise and have a few beers, but there is an element of the sporting arm of the Masons to it as well.

As a sport, I have no interest in playing or watching it, though.
 
These guys play at Bootle. It's a municipal course that costs them about 6 quid a week. Even though it's not the prettiest course in the world and the clubhouse is a hole in the wall with a loony making egg on toast, it's actually a really good golf course. Dead tough. Up there as a test with the officially great courses a few miles west. I think Peter Allis said it's the best muni in the country, if you don't mind playing off the odd Johnny and avoiding the occasional burnt out car

That reminds me, i think Graham Lister was said to have been conceived in a bunker there
 
I think there is more than an element of truth to what you say in terms of the sporting wing of the Masons at certain levels, but other than the very prestigious clubs, most golf clubs patrons are men (and increasingly women) of a certain age, who want to get out for a few hours a week. I have a mate who recently became a member at Royal St Georges, and the process was arcane, ridiculous, took about 18 months, and cost him a fucking fortune. 12 people 'of character' had to write letters to the club endorsing his candidacy, but get this, he wasn't allowed to solicit anybody to write the letters, and if he was caught mentioning his application to any member, he would be immediately black balled. He likes golf, but he definitely sees the massive fees and faff as a business investment.

Most golfers and golf clubs are about a bit of craic. My missus has seen that they have been bastions of misogyny and, erm, conservative social values, but she has seen big changes in this department too. In her first club, Royal County Down, there was a famous case of a woman (whose father was one of the leading members), accidentally walking into the members area of the club, and being literally hissed at until she fled in tears! But my missus's appointment as the first female club house manager at this club, and then the first at each club she has worked at since shows that shit is changing.
 
A few years ago when property developers bought allerton golf course off the council, on the other side of the city, another mate who is a heart surgeon in stoke now but grew up there wrote a letter in to the council with a cost benefit analysis of how much more care they were going to have to pay for with the increasing weight, then heart problems, of the local population. In the end the council stipulated that the ground must contain an affordable course while they built on the surrounding ground. Something like that anyway.
 
Golf is a poor use of land that should be public. You are right that it is appropriate for physical distancing. It's just bad use of land. Open it up.
 
Yeah probs, but even the private courses round here are surrounded by public land and beaches. They're all still open
 
I think there is more than an element of truth to what you say in terms of the sporting wing of the Masons at certain levels, but other than the very prestigious clubs, most golf clubs patrons are men (and increasingly women) of a certain age, who want to get out for a few hours a week. I have a mate who recently became a member at Royal St Georges, and the process was arcane, ridiculous, took about 18 months, and cost him a fucking fortune. 12 people 'of character' had to write letters to the club endorsing his candidacy, but get this, he wasn't allowed to solicit anybody to write the letters, and if he was caught mentioning his application to any member, he would be immediately black balled. He likes golf, but he definitely sees the massive fees and faff as a business investment.

Most golfers and golf clubs are about a bit of craic. My missus has seen that they have been bastions of misogyny and, erm, conservative social values, but she has seen big changes in this department too. In her first club, Royal County Down, there was a famous case of a woman (whose father was one of the leading members), accidentally walking into the members area of the club, and being literally hissed at until she fled in tears! But my missus's appointment as the first female club house manager at this club, and then the first at each club she has worked at since shows that shit is changing.
I ran an 'Executive Golf League' in Shanghai for 11 years. Of course it was primarily aimed at getting to know the senior executives at all the MNCs in Shanghai and securing business from said execs, but it was fun for all, real USGA handicaps were calculated & issued and lots of sponsorship (winners got holidays on Hai-Nan Island), lots of great prizes, crystal trophies at every event, lucky draw and dinner & free beer (sponsored) all included in the very reasonable entry fee (US$120-200 per event), we usually saw turnouts of a low of 50 up to a max of around 110 (the most any club, some having 2 or 3 courses, could take).

We played on a different course each month (11 events per year, even the famous, superb, Sheshan GC which hosts world class events of the European Tour). Membership and course fees were extremely expensive for a while in Shanghai and usually members only so this was a way around that and we got to play on many different courses, which people enjoyed. There was no sex or racist discrimination at all, quite the opposite (for obvious reasons) in fact as most courses welcomed both women & expat golfers.

Fond memories - thanks Doc. !
 
Golf is a poor use of land that should be public. You are right that it is appropriate for physical distancing. It's just bad use of land. Open it up.
Very often the land was owned by farmers, so not open, or sometimes (as is the case in courses in and around urban areas), wasteland, that nobody is going to pay to convert into something that people would want to walk around. It isn't very often that pristine public parkland is turned into golf courses. I sympathise with what you're saying but I completely disagree that the land golf courses sits on would somehow greatly benefit society if it was made public. Because that's just wrong.
 
Very often the land was owned by farmers, so not open, or sometimes (as is the case in courses in and around urban areas), wasteland, that nobody is going to pay to convert into something that people would want to walk around. It isn't very often that pristine public parkland is turned into golf courses. I sympathise with what you're saying but I completely disagree that the land golf courses sits on would somehow greatly benefit society if it was made public. Because that's just wrong.

Unsurprisingly, that mental old Green party bat Caroline Lucas, and that equally mental Harriet Harman, have petitioned for public access to golf courses and the opening of private school sports pitches, but maybe her and Jack want to stage PIE jamborees in the rolling green fields or something.
 
fuck the idea of making golf courses public when a bazillion hectares of farmland in UK is literally scrub land with farm owners literally being paid to NOT farm on said land

Just make that shit open if people need space to do whatever
 
To be honest, it hardly seems worth calling on golf courses to open up. If you really want to go for a wander on a golf course there isn't really much anyone is gonna do about it.
 
I went to play tennis (not a full game, just a knock) with Luke last week. The tennis courts were chained up. So we played on the footy pitches next door, which weren't chained up.

Makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Tennis you can easily play whilst socially distancing, footy you can't.
 
So after 5 weeks of no jogging, dog walking, or exercise outdoors, the new level from today allows for these things, get this, but only between 6 and 9am.

This was apparently Cape Town this morning
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