Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

[Frogfish]

They've still had a very impressive low level of infections and deaths.

Although Adern acted quickly it's primary because they are a) isolated b) have a tiny population in a country the size of the UK and c) it hit during their Summer.

NZ now have 19 deaths and new cases are starting to increase (no doubt because the country is cooling down as Winter arrives) compared to Hong Kong (4 : no new cases) and Taiwan (6 : no new cases) which have had far less deaths despite being densely populated and on China's doorstep. HK is especially impressive.

 

[Hyena]

It's just occurred to me that the off-limits island in the indian ocean with that cannibal tribe, they will be all that is left of our species when the pandemic ends. I wonder what they will do. I for one would propose that I go there, offer Boris's newborn son as a sacrifice to let me take my place as their deity, and through my teachings they can at least preserve the scientific knowledge of the last thousand years so that it is not wasted.

Those fools have so little exposure to any disease, they'll probably die from penumonia within minutes of meeting you.

That or you'll give them syphilis shortly after you impart the marvels of quantum physics.

 

[StevieM]

Although Adern acted quickly it's primary because they are a) isolated b) have a tiny population in a country the size of the UK and c) it hit during their Summer.

NZ now have 19 deaths and new cases are starting to increase (no doubt because the country is cooling down as Winter arrives) compared to Hong Kong (4 : no new cases) and Taiwan (6 : no new cases) which have had far less deaths despite being densely populated and on China's doorstep. HK is especially impressive.

Froggy, mate - you’re not being completely accurate here.

NZ cases aren’t starting to increase, summer ended at the end of Feb - it hit as the weather was cooling and it’s been controlled effectively before we get into the even cooler winter months. Southern hemisphere autumn isn’t that far away from a northern hemisphere spring in terms of temperature.

Of course remoteness and density play a part, but that’s not something they get to choose or control.

No one is is also suggesting that other countries haven’t done great jobs either - it’s not a competition or an underhanded criticism of Asian counties- in the context of NZ’s response to the problems and challenges facing NZ, Adhern has - as she has whether faced with white supremacist terrorism, volcanic eruptions, English backpacker murders, etc - has been a credit to her country.

NZ have done well and are now looking to relax their restrictions.

 

[Woland]

The FT now reporting we've got 47,000 deaths using ONS stats.

0.8% of global population and 20% of global deaths.

Boris is a traitor and should be shot.

 

[rurikbird]

The FT now reporting we've got 47,000 deaths using ONS stats.

0.8% of global population and 20% of global deaths.

Boris is a traitor and should be shot.

Wow. Stay safe, lads!

 

[dantes]

[article]
Just days before U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced a nationwide lockdown to contain the coronavirus epidemic, health officials in Britain quietly lowered the official threat level for the pandemic, saying the COVID-19 virus did not meet the criteria to qualify as a “high consequence infectious disease” (HCID).
U.K. health officials had tentatively identified COVID-19 as an HCID in late January, but said in a March 19 statement it was rescinding its interim decision.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/26/lockdown-britain-quietly-downgraded-status-virus-t/
[/article]

Let me explain for the benefit of those of you who thought my administrative law posts were just inane ramblings of lawyer dantes. If the virus was classified as HCID, the government's PPE would be inappropriate according to their guidelines, meaning each dead nurse could sue the shit out of the government and win a payout in proportion to their future lifetime earnings discounted back to a lump sum. The court would not be open to looking at the facts, only the process, that process being set out in the government guidelines. So instead of giving out the better than nothing PPE immediately, the government first had meetings and created a document trail to justify the downgrading of the virus threat. Then, once knowing the dead nurses would have a hard time suing the government for handing out PPE which was suddenly in line with the guidelines they had a legal duty to follow, once their legal liability was taken care of, that's when the government sent the nurses to their death with a pair of McBain goggles.

 

[dantes]

Of course the fake news won't tell you that. Their narrative is haha look how stupid the government is, they're not taking it seriously, how can they downgrade the virus haha. Because being oblivious to reality is a better look than intentionally letting people die to avoid being sued.

 

[Rosco]

 

[Frogfish]

Froggy, mate - you’re not being completely accurate here.

NZ cases aren’t starting to increase, summer ended at the end of Feb - it hit as the weather was cooling and it’s been controlled effectively before we get into the even cooler winter months. Southern hemisphere autumn isn’t that far away from a northern hemisphere spring in terms of temperature.

Of course remoteness and density play a part, but that’s not something they get to choose or control.

No one is is also suggesting that other countries haven’t done great jobs either - it’s not a competition or an underhanded criticism of Asian counties- in the context of NZ’s response to the problems and challenges facing NZ, Adhern has - as she has whether faced with white supremacist terrorism, volcanic eruptions, English backpacker murders, etc - has been a credit to her country.

NZ have done well and are now looking to relax their restrictions.

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You're quite right - I should have rechecked the data. Two thirds of my relatives live in NZ and they told me they are dropping from a level 4 to a level 3 (though most people seem to think that that means immediately going back to life as normal!) and continue to crow about their figures/handling - maybe that is what vexes me 😀

Their infection graph on Worldmeters (where I believe your graph came from) shows both linear and logarithmic growth but a leveling off - one can assume due to the measures taken by Adhern (excuse my previous spelling), and I have stated previously that she is an excellent leader (not just re. her handling of CV-19) taking prompt and logical action. However I believe they had many factors in their favour that Europe/USA didn't and that that clearly made a vast difference and was obviously not down to any politician or to following governmental advice.

TBH I mistakenly took only a cursory look at the growth in deaths (which generally seems to follow around 2-3 weeks behind active cases), something I don't usually do, which continue to show linear and logarithmic growth (though leveling off). I really should have taken a deeper dive into the stats before parroting comments of a month or so ago.

 

[Mors]

The FT now reporting we've got 47,000 deaths using ONS stats.

0.8% of global population and 20% of global deaths.

Boris is a traitor and should be shot.

It seems that they have general population cases coming under control and numbers dropping, but care homes are rife with it, not sure what they do on that front if the homes are privately owned/run, how can they enforce protocol on the staff?

Re Boris getting shot, he'd have to get in the queue behind blair and corbyn.

 

[StevieM]

You're quite right - I should have rechecked the data. Two thirds of my relatives live in NZ and they told me they are dropping from a level 4 to a level 3 (though most people seem to think that that means immediately going back to life as normal!) and continue to crow about their figures/handling - maybe that is what vexes me 😀

Their infection graph on Worldmeters (where I believe your graph came from) shows both linear and logarithmic growth but a leveling off - one can assume due to the measures taken by Adhern (excuse my previous spelling), and I have stated previously that she is an excellent leader (not just re. her handling of CV-19) taking prompt and logical action. However I believe they had many factors in their favour that Europe/USA didn't and that that clearly made a vast difference and was obviously not down to any politician or to following governmental advice.

TBH I mistakenly took only a cursory look at the growth in deaths (which generally seems to follow around 2-3 weeks behind active cases), something I don't usually do, which continue to show linear and logarithmic growth (though leveling off). I really should have taken a deeper dive into the stats before parroting comments of a month or so ago.

All good mate - totally accept your points.

NZ & Australia are still facing their own challenges from this - Overseas tourism is massive for the economy - yet they went hard on closing the borders - you enter Australia - you go into self isolation for 14 days regardless of who you are or where you came from. (Can’t speak for NZ). I’m not even sure whether you’re allowed to go home to self isolate - you get locked up in a hotel for 2 weeks.

The government pays for that in most cases.

Australia shut down hospitality relatively quickly - not allowed on golf courses or beaches either (although that’s loosening), the AFL season got pulled just as it was starting (which is huge is Australia).

We’re ramping up testing with centres pop up testing set up at hospitals - medical staff have PPE - not abundant amounts but enough (missus is a Paramedic).

They major fuckups were at the start - Sydney’s spike in cases was largely cause by allowing people to leave a cruise ship without checking if anyone was infected.

Those that can work have been trying to from home or observing social distancing measures - while those that can’t are being helped with aid packages (no idea how well - as I’m lucky enough to be working).

I don’t know whether it’s enough - we’ve been bloody lucky with lots of things - and Christ knows what’ll happen at the other end, but again, the Government has been decisive when it had to be.

 

[Rosco]

It sounds like everything will be fine until the next time the country spontaneously combusts

 

[darkstarexodus]

My province is starting to open back up on Monday. Golf courses, campgrounds, hair salons and more. Still a lot of restrictions and no gatherings of more than 10. Social distancing parameters still in place.

Regardless, I think it's too soon and sends the wrong message.

But our austerity focused government refuses to do anything significant to help businesses and residents so let's just open things again.

And it was all going so well...

 

[manwithnoname]

My province is starting to open back up on Monday. Golf courses, campgrounds, hair salons and more. Still a lot of restrictions and no gatherings of more than 10. Social distancing parameters still in place.

Regardless, I think it's too soon and sends the wrong message.

But our austerity focused government refuses to do anything significant to help businesses and residents so let's just open things again.

And it was all going so well...

Golf courses?!

 

[Mamma Mia]

Government here changed their minds about allowing cigarette and vape sales from tomorrow, after having announced earlier this week that they would.

 

[manwithnoname]

Government here changed their minds about allowing cigarette and vape sales from tomorrow, after having announced earlier this week that they would.

Can't you get them delivered?

 

[Mamma Mia]

Can't you get them delivered?

Not legally, no.

Total ban on sales and transport of tobacco (and related products), vapes, and liquor.
There's no doubt that the intent is to regulate the above far more stringently even after all this.

As of tomorrow, we can get prepared food deliveries and limited courier and postal services.

 

[manwithnoname]

Not legally, no.

Total ban on sales and transport of tobacco (and related products), vapes, and liquor.
There's no doubt that the intent is to regulate the above far more stringently even after all this.

As of tomorrow, we can get prepared food deliveries and limited courier and postal services.

Er, hang on what? So, if you're a "smoker", for the last few weeks it has been illegal to buy cigarettes or vapes?
OR BOOZE?!

Fucking hell, do they actually want civil unrest and rioting?

 

[Mamma Mia]

Er, hang on what? So, if you're a "smoker", for the last few weeks it has been illegal to buy cigarettes or vapes?
OR BOOZE?!

Fucking hell, do they actually want civil unrest and rioting?

Yup, that's been the case, and will remain so until the lockdown drops another level. The black market is keeping things from boiling over so far.

 

[Halmeister]

The FT now reporting we've got 47,000 deaths using ONS stats.

0.8% of global population and 20% of global deaths.

Boris is a traitor and should be shot.

He's a hero, goddamit!

 

[Atlas]

The FT now reporting we've got 47,000 deaths using ONS stats.

0.8% of global population and 20% of global deaths.

Boris is a traitor and should be shot.

Wait, are we the c***ts we accuse China/Russia etc of being?



The debacle around PPE
misinformation, U-turns and deflection etc from the off
Nightingale Hospitals fanfare only to treat like 50 patients in the first few weeks, maybe it's cos the NHS has been supported and given what it needs.. or maybe cos there are not enough staff or equipment for the temporary hospitals.
The numbers of deaths, the lag in reporting and then only counting hospital deaths.

Officially, at least according to reported numbers, we are third in the league table. It'll be a tough ask to catch up with Murica but I think we might be able to sneak ahead of Italy at this rate... yaay

 

[rubans]

The FT now reporting we've got 47,000 deaths using ONS stats.

0.8% of global population and 20% of global deaths.

Boris is a traitor and should be shot.

If you said anything against him
Or the government 2 weeks ago of the handling then you would have got a load of hate on fb or LinkedIn in this country especially if you had foreign sounding name. Pretty much everyone is doing a great job and nothing can be done to make it any better and if you show any dissent then you are a traitor.
Now the tone from yesterday’s daily conference was UK is the only one measuring the numbers right and everyone else in the world is counting it wrong.
Just interesting watching how the two medical experts who stand next to the MP as part of the daily conferences have become expert politicians in their own right and evade pretty much any question from the press. However, press reporters don’t really push them that hard. It’s all a bit weird and pathetic.

 

[Mojo]

Yup, that's been the case, and will remain so until the lockdown drops another level. The black market is keeping things from boiling over so far.

I just want to know who those 2000 cunts were that made submissions to govt to stop tobacco sales.
Did you see NDZ's explanation about the zol skyfs theory?

I'm happy about being able to get fast food deliveries from tomorrow but can't for the life of me understand why they're holding back so much of the online shopping items and just limiting it to "essential items".

 

[Mamma Mia]

I just want to know who those 2000 cunts were that made submissions to govt to stop tobacco sales.
Did you see NDZ's explanation about the zol skyfs theory?

I'm happy about being able to get fast food deliveries from tomorrow but can't for the life of me understand why they're holding back so much of the online shopping items and just limiting it to "essential items".

Yeah, I doubt they really know either to be honest. I suppose it's one of those situations where they can never please everyone and no one in charge is exactly sure what the right thing to do in each situation is.

I think most of them are genuinely trying their best, but still too many pigs trying to find a way to feed at this particular trough.

 

[dantes]

If you said anything against him
Or the government 2 weeks ago of the handling then you would have got a load of hate on fb or LinkedIn in this country especially if you had foreign sounding name. Pretty much everyone is doing a great job and nothing can be done to make it any better and if you show any dissent then you are a traitor.
Now the tone from yesterday’s daily conference was UK is the only one measuring the numbers right and everyone else in the world is counting it wrong.
Just interesting watching how the two medical experts who stand next to the MP as part of the daily conferences have become expert politicians in their own right and evade pretty much any question from the press. However, press reporters don’t really push them that hard. It’s all a bit weird and pathetic.

I for one said that he ought to be killed two weeks ago. Aside from a brief moment of weakness by Woland, everyone here also wanted him dead. Because everyone here has more sense than the mentally retarded population of facebook and linkedin.

 

[manwithnoname]

I for one said that he ought to be killed two weeks ago. Aside from a brief moment of weakness by Woland, everyone here also wanted him dead. Because everyone here has more sense than the mentally retarded population of facebook and linkedin.

There are only two good things I can think of about Boris Johnson being PM:

1) It means Jeremy Corbyn isn't
2) It boils the piss of so many mental, angry far left lunatics on a daily basis

That's it, really. Not much of a manifesto. I wonder how he'll come out of this crisis, though?

If Starmer stays on track and doesn't listen to too many of the Momentum louts, purges the party properly, starts to appeal to normal people, and ignores the danger-haired FBPE, him/they/ them, trans ally, disabled Marxist halfwitted spastic activists who pollute social media and think Ash Sarkar is an intellectual or The Canary is a viable news platform, then he should have a decent chance.

It's not like Johnson has managed to emulate any of his historical heroic figures thus far, or can really claim this as a great victory like his other hero (and actual war hero Churchill), and look what happened to him after the war anyway. And he WON.

But then, it's never been that easy to predict politics, or what people will actually think or do. Just look at Trump.

 

[Woland]

It did cheer me up seeing him on the front of the telegraph this morning. He looks like boiled shite. Like his teeth might just fall out at any minute. He is fucked.

 

[dantes]

There are only two good things I can think of about Boris Johnson being PM:

1) It means Jeremy Corbyn isn't
2) It boils the piss of so many mental, angry far left lunatics on a daily basis

That's it, really. Not much of a manifesto. I wonder how he'll come out of this crisis, though?

If Starmer stays on track and doesn't listen to too many of the Momentum louts, purges the party properly, starts to appeal to normal people, and ignores the danger-haired FBPE, him/they/ them, trans ally, disabled Marxist halfwitted spastic activists who pollute social media and think Ash Sarkar is an intellectual or The Canary is a viable news platform, then he should have a decent chance.

It's not like Johnson has managed to emulate any of his historical heroic figures thus far, or can really claim this as a great victory like his other hero (and actual war hero Churchill), and look what happened to him after the war anyway. And he WON.

But then, it's never been that easy to predict politics, or what people will actually think or do. Just look at Trump.

Staring at my poster of Trump, it's not at all hard for me to confidently predict that his people will re-elect him in a landslide. Starmer on the other hand has too much to do. He may look good compared to Boris (as indeed would Jimmy Saville's corpse), but I foresee Sunak taking over and riding upon the sympathy wave following the tragic passing of Boris. That would be a no contest.

 

[manwithnoname]

Staring at my poster of Trump, it's not at all hard for me to confidently predict that his people will re-elect him in a landslide. Starmer on the other hand has too much to do. He may look good compared to Boris (as indeed would Jimmy Saville's corpse), but I foresee Sunak taking over and riding upon the sympathy wave following the tragic passing of Boris. That would be a no contest.

Trump vs Biden

A battle of cognitive deterioration for the ages.

 

[Rosco]