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Capital One Cup - West Brom build up thread.

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LeTallecWiz said:
I see your point but when you're average age is under 24, and a bench under 19 ... it's 'kids' essentially.
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I don't agree. Average age is something that is often talked about by pundits and commentators whilst ignoring the experience on the field. A team of youngsters out of the reserves who have barely played at senior level is very different to the type of youngsters that have been playing for years in teams like Arsenal and Barcelona.

Andre Wisdom is 19 years old and has played a couple games for the first team. By the time Sterling reaches 19 he'll probably be a seasoned first team player. The difference experience brings is significant (moreso than age) and it's worth noting.
 
Outlaw said:
Plan C for Sahin? He's a top class player, coming from Real to get more games. Some of our fans seem to underrate him pretty badly. Second fiddle to Jonjo? Come on.
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Apologies, should be made clear. I meant as in the plan for now & immediately, Sahin doesn't seem fit to cover every other game for Stevie so it would have probably been shelvey whilst we gained match fitness.

Now shelvey is suspended we may see sahin covering that Stevie slots whilst Gerrard is rested, which I doubt we would have been had shelvey been available.

Sahin looks very good & I've heard very good things but he isn't at full match fitness at all.
 
Sorry, mate. I thought you were talking in terms of quality and pecking order. When fit, and he's getting closer, he'll be first pick central midfielder in my opinion.
 
Outlaw said:
Sorry, mate. I thought you were talking in terms of quality and pecking order. When fit, and he's getting closer, he'll be first pick central midfielder in my opinion.
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Yeah, I said when he was brought in & I read reports about him that it was a very astute move by Rodgers to show the fans Stevie isn't irreplaceable & prove to the owners that big cash on stars can get good players, as I see him being ahead of Gerrard in the pecking order at some point.
 
For me, he's a deeper player than Gerrard. Well, he certainly was for Dortmund. He played a holding playmaker role, alongside Bender's destroyer role. The Alonso to Bender's Mascherano, if you will.
 
keniget said:
I don't agree. Average age is something that is often talked about by pundits and commentators whilst ignoring the experience on the field. A team of youngsters out of the reserves who have barely played at senior level is very different to the type of youngsters that have been playing for years in teams like Arsenal and Barcelona.

Andre Wisdom is 19 years old and has played a couple games for the first team. By the time Sterling reaches 19 he'll probably be a seasoned first team player. The difference experience brings is significant (moreso than age) and it's worth noting.
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Again ... I get what you're saying ... You base a term on experience, some base it on age without looking into experience. Just b/c you have experience (in any field in life), it doesn't mean you're not a kid ...
 
Two things I really like about the second goal...

When Suso plays that ball to Assaidi he turns immediately to see that someone is in the middle. As soon as he sees the ball is going to Assaidi, he turns his head. Love it.

Downing is celebrating the goal before the ball is even played to Sahin. Ha ha. Made me laugh.
 
Stulikesdrums said:
Two things I really like about the second goal...

When Suso plays that ball to Assaidi he turns immediately to see that someone is in the middle. As soon as he sees the ball is going to Assaidi, he turns his head. Love it.

Downing is celebrating the goal before the ball is even played to Sahin. Ha ha. Made me laugh.
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Are you sure he wasnt shouting for the ball?
 
irishred said:
Haha, that's where the funds generated could be spent, to strengthen that position. There are plenty of good young 'keepers about, Lloris and Courtois were snapped up by Tottenham and Chelsea respectively, Mignolet is an underrated talent who could easily make a move up, Muslera is another worth looking at, same with Vorm. I doubt the fee for Pepe would be any less than these.
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I wasn't being serious actually. I only watched the 2nd half and thought Jones did well.
 
Stulikesdrums said:
Two things I really like about the second goal...

When Suso plays that ball to Assaidi he turns immediately to see that someone is in the middle. As soon as he sees the ball is going to Assaidi, he turns his head. Love it.

Downing is celebrating the goal before the ball is even played to Sahin. Ha ha. Made me laugh.
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I think Downing was happy to see that it was someone else rather than he himself with the task of putting the ball in the net...
 
Stulikesdrums said:
When Suso plays that ball to Assaidi he turns immediately to see that someone is in the middle. As soon as he sees the ball is going to Assaidi, he turns his head. Love it.

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Was about ot point that out myself .. he knew the ball was perfectly weighted for Assaidi, he knew Assaidi would put in a good cross, so he was just checking to see who was there to put it in.

Bet he heaved a sigh of relief when he saw Sahin making the run & Downing too far behind to have a go
 
The second goal was beautiful in its simplicity - and it was all about Assaidi looking up & picking the simple pass giving the tap in.

No trying to trick it round the player again for shits and giggles.... no random blast in to the centre by passing everyone at pace... no heaved cross to the far back post... No random pull back in to no mans land behind our forwards.

No, after looking up, just a boring little tap, right to Sahin's foot, leaving it on a plate for him.

It's been a while since we've done it like that - reminds me that football is a simple game thats been unnecessarily complicated.
 
Just hit me that a midfielder actually made a run into the box. How many times has that happened these past few years.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
Again ... I get what you're saying ... You base a term on experience, some base it on age without looking into experience. Just b/c you have experience (in any field in life), it doesn't mean you're not a kid ...
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Agreed. An experienced kid is still a kid. That experience will be less than older players have, for obvious reasons, and its lessons will therefore be less well ingrained in the players concerned.
 
nealmac said:
Quick question: Do we have an option to buy Sahin?
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It was never stated. Modric going to Madrid might help our case.

I don't think many players force their way back into the side once they go out on loan at Madrid.
Canales for example has since joined Valencia. Granero got a bit of a run but has moved on again. I'm sure there is a lot more recent examples but I'm just too lazy to think.
Madrid once had a share in Sammy Eto'o and renaged on that deal too to allow Barca pounce.
 
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From lastnight
 
The blooding of youngsters in the League Cup is not new. Back in Rafa Benitez’s first season in charge, the team he selected for a tie at White Hart Lane in 2004 now requires a Google search to track their footsteps since.

David Raven, Darren Potter, Mark Smyth, Richie Partridge, Jon Welsh, Zak Whitbread, Neil Mellor all played in a team that emerged triumphant on penalty kicks against Tottenham.

Even the infamous defeat in the same competition on spot-kicks to Northampton under Roy Hodgson, there was a glimpse of the future.

Dani Pacheco started, Jonjo Shelvey, Thomas Ince and Nathan Eccleston came on and Andre Wisdom was an unused substitute. But Liverpool lost and Hodgson was vilified.

What Wednesday’s win in the Black Country could yet illustrate is the improvement at Liverpool’s academy which has seen the three youngest players in the club’s history – Sinclair, Jack Robinson and Raheem Sterling – pull on a first team jersey up since May 2010.
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Tottenham 1 Liverpool 1 December 2004, (Liverpool win on penalties)
Dudek, Raven, Whitbread, Henchoz, Warnock; Nunez (Smyth 70), Diao (Partridge 111), Biscan, Potter; Mellor (Welsh 52), Pongolle
Not used: Foy, Kirkland.

Liverpool 2 Northampton 2, September 2010 (Northampton win on penalties)
Jones, Kelly, Wilson, Krygiakos, Agger; Pacheco (Ince 106), Lucas, Spearing, Jovanovic (Eccleston 91); Ngog, Babel (Shelvey 100).
Subs not used: Hansen, Wisdom Robinson, Amoo

West Brom 1 Liverpool 2 September 2012
Jones, Wisdom, Carragher, Coates, Robinson; Downing, Henderson, Sahin; Pacheco (Suso 81), Yesil (Sinclair 81), Assaidi.
Subs not used: Gulasci, Coady, Sama, Sterling, Wilson
 
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