BYE BYE ROY!!!!!
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If we are going to have any chance of challenging with less money than 5 or 6 other teams in the league, I think we are going to need an absolute genius of a manager. A good-looking genius.
I dont hate Roy, I dont mind if he stays til summer, as long as we get the right man in to replace him. I just hope Henry doesnt grow too fond of the loveable old goat.
I dont hate Roy, I dont mind if he stays til summer, as long as we get the right man in to replace him. I just hope Henry doesnt grow too fond of the loveable old goat.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218591#msg1218591 date=1289818926]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218586#msg1218586 date=1289818658]
I was responding to the ridicule spideys post received, so I think it's fairly obvious what point I'm trying to make - that we could be doing a better job of challenging for fourth. At no point has anyone said that removing Ro is a miracle cure or that the squad isn't desperately in need of improvement.
The two viewpoints are not in direct competition with one another. If the belief is - as is almost implied by some comments here - that the squad is so bad that midtable is where we belong, then Roy isn't doing that bad a job. You can't have it both ways. If the squad is underperforming, the manager is shit and we're only six points away from fourth, then some improvement gained by a new manager who isn't quite as shit would see us close enough to fourth to consider it a challenge of sorts at least for the time being.
I'm not really seeing any scope for debate here.
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Fair enough,ken..I'm not going to defend Hodgson for being incredibly tactically inept and for not utilising the squad better.
I don't think anyone was ridiculing Neil's post, either...at least I wasnt trying to.
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I was called daft for claiming we had a squad capable of challenge for 4th.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218586#msg1218586 date=1289818658]
I was responding to the ridicule spideys post received, so I think it's fairly obvious what point I'm trying to make - that we could be doing a better job of challenging for fourth. At no point has anyone said that removing Ro is a miracle cure or that the squad isn't desperately in need of improvement.
The two viewpoints are not in direct competition with one another. If the belief is - as is almost implied by some comments here - that the squad is so bad that midtable is where we belong, then Roy isn't doing that bad a job. You can't have it both ways. If the squad is underperforming, the manager is shit and we're only six points away from fourth, then some improvement gained by a new manager who isn't quite as shit would see us close enough to fourth to consider it a challenge of sorts at least for the time being.
I'm not really seeing any scope for debate here.
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Fair enough,ken..I'm not going to defend Hodgson for being incredibly tactically inept and for not utilising the squad better.
I don't think anyone was ridiculing Neil's post, either...at least I wasnt trying to.
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I was called daft for claiming we had a squad capable of challenge for 4th.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218591#msg1218591 date=1289818926]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218586#msg1218586 date=1289818658]
I was responding to the ridicule spideys post received, so I think it's fairly obvious what point I'm trying to make - that we could be doing a better job of challenging for fourth. At no point has anyone said that removing Ro is a miracle cure or that the squad isn't desperately in need of improvement.
The two viewpoints are not in direct competition with one another. If the belief is - as is almost implied by some comments here - that the squad is so bad that midtable is where we belong, then Roy isn't doing that bad a job. You can't have it both ways. If the squad is underperforming, the manager is shit and we're only six points away from fourth, then some improvement gained by a new manager who isn't quite as shit would see us close enough to fourth to consider it a challenge of sorts at least for the time being.
I'm not really seeing any scope for debate here.
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Fair enough,ken..I'm not going to defend Hodgson for being incredibly tactically inept and for not utilising the squad better.
I don't think anyone was ridiculing Neil's post, either...at least I wasnt trying to.
[/quote]
Now this forum is starting to sound like Roy Hodgson... What has he done to us :laugh: :laugh:
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218586#msg1218586 date=1289818658]
I was responding to the ridicule spideys post received, so I think it's fairly obvious what point I'm trying to make - that we could be doing a better job of challenging for fourth. At no point has anyone said that removing Ro is a miracle cure or that the squad isn't desperately in need of improvement.
The two viewpoints are not in direct competition with one another. If the belief is - as is almost implied by some comments here - that the squad is so bad that midtable is where we belong, then Roy isn't doing that bad a job. You can't have it both ways. If the squad is underperforming, the manager is shit and we're only six points away from fourth, then some improvement gained by a new manager who isn't quite as shit would see us close enough to fourth to consider it a challenge of sorts at least for the time being.
I'm not really seeing any scope for debate here.
[/quote]
Fair enough,ken..I'm not going to defend Hodgson for being incredibly tactically inept and for not utilising the squad better.
I don't think anyone was ridiculing Neil's post, either...at least I wasnt trying to.
[/quote]
Now this forum is starting to sound like Roy Hodgson... What has he done to us :laugh: :laugh:
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
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My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
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My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218594#msg1218594 date=1289819060]
If we are going to have any chance of challenging with less money than 5 or 6 other teams in the league, I think we are going to need an absolute genius of a manager. A good-looking genius.
I dont hate Roy, I dont mind if he stays til summer, as long as we get the right man in to replace him. I just hope Henry doesnt grow too fond of the loveable old goat.
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Forget about the money. We have more money than 70% of the rest of teams. We have much more money than 50% of the other teams. It is not a money isuue. I am sick and tired of hearing about Man Ciy or Abramovich every time we loose against Stoke and Blackpool and what they are all called. Stop it. Talk about Wolves money or Blackburns money intead. Why are we not capable of distancing these teams after 13 matches?
If we are going to have any chance of challenging with less money than 5 or 6 other teams in the league, I think we are going to need an absolute genius of a manager. A good-looking genius.
I dont hate Roy, I dont mind if he stays til summer, as long as we get the right man in to replace him. I just hope Henry doesnt grow too fond of the loveable old goat.
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Forget about the money. We have more money than 70% of the rest of teams. We have much more money than 50% of the other teams. It is not a money isuue. I am sick and tired of hearing about Man Ciy or Abramovich every time we loose against Stoke and Blackpool and what they are all called. Stop it. Talk about Wolves money or Blackburns money intead. Why are we not capable of distancing these teams after 13 matches?
you can 'understand' nesv wanting to give a season and normally I would agree (stability in the short term/ half a season to sound out a manager) but if we are going to lose pepe and torres if we fail to secure 4th then action is needed right now.
unless people think we need time to look for the right manager and to hell with the concequences of treading water this season? anyone?
unless people think we need time to look for the right manager and to hell with the concequences of treading water this season? anyone?
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
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My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
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Is Zidane one of the interested buyers?
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
Is Zidane one of the interested buyers?
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
*takes fix*
I need more...
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
*takes fix*
I need more...
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1218600#msg1218600 date=1289819213]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218594#msg1218594 date=1289819060]
If we are going to have any chance of challenging with less money than 5 or 6 other teams in the league, I think we are going to need an absolute genius of a manager. A good-looking genius.
I dont hate Roy, I dont mind if he stays til summer, as long as we get the right man in to replace him. I just hope Henry doesnt grow too fond of the loveable old goat.
[/quote]
Forget about the money. We have more money than 70% of the rest of teams. We have much more money than 50% of the other teams. It is not a money isuue. I am sick and tired of hearing about Man Ciy or Abramovich every time we loose against Stoke and Blackpool and what they are all called. Stop it. Talk about Wolves money or Blackburns money intead. Why are we not capable of distancing these teams after 13 matches?
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I was thinking more long term, but yes that is right for our current position no doubt.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218594#msg1218594 date=1289819060]
If we are going to have any chance of challenging with less money than 5 or 6 other teams in the league, I think we are going to need an absolute genius of a manager. A good-looking genius.
I dont hate Roy, I dont mind if he stays til summer, as long as we get the right man in to replace him. I just hope Henry doesnt grow too fond of the loveable old goat.
[/quote]
Forget about the money. We have more money than 70% of the rest of teams. We have much more money than 50% of the other teams. It is not a money isuue. I am sick and tired of hearing about Man Ciy or Abramovich every time we loose against Stoke and Blackpool and what they are all called. Stop it. Talk about Wolves money or Blackburns money intead. Why are we not capable of distancing these teams after 13 matches?
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I was thinking more long term, but yes that is right for our current position no doubt.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218602#msg1218602 date=1289819243]
you can 'understand' nesv wanting to give a season and normally I would agree (stability in the short term/ half a season to sound out a manager) but if we are going to lose pepe and torres if we fail to secure 4th then action is needed right now.
unless people think we need time to look for the right manager and to hell with the concequences of treading water this season? anyone?
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I cant understand it at all. His failings are so clear and even the fans are starting to loose it. If we start loosing our fanbase we are in deep trouble.
you can 'understand' nesv wanting to give a season and normally I would agree (stability in the short term/ half a season to sound out a manager) but if we are going to lose pepe and torres if we fail to secure 4th then action is needed right now.
unless people think we need time to look for the right manager and to hell with the concequences of treading water this season? anyone?
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I cant understand it at all. His failings are so clear and even the fans are starting to loose it. If we start loosing our fanbase we are in deep trouble.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1218604#msg1218604 date=1289819252]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
Is Zidane one of the interested buyers?
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Its Zidanes son, hes meant to be as good as his dad but with the pace of a cheetah.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
Is Zidane one of the interested buyers?
[/quote]
Its Zidanes son, hes meant to be as good as his dad but with the pace of a cheetah.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218605#msg1218605 date=1289819276]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
*takes fix*
I need more...
[/quote]
Ill buy the fucking house mself if it helps getting him out of our club!!!
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
*takes fix*
I need more...
[/quote]
Ill buy the fucking house mself if it helps getting him out of our club!!!
I have to say that to a degree I agree with Neil. We have dropped 23 points yet are still only 6 points off fourth place. Its not our fault that the top teams are playing poorly, and I firmly believe that a better manager could have us in fourth place now.
Unfortunately I look at the league table and notice that we are 3 points above the relegation places.
Unfortunately I look at the league table and notice that we are 3 points above the relegation places.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1218611#msg1218611 date=1289819403]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218605#msg1218605 date=1289819276]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
*takes fix*
I need more...
[/quote]
Ill buy the fucking house mself if it helps getting him out of our club!!!
[/quote]
liverpool should call your bluff 😉
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218605#msg1218605 date=1289819276]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
*takes fix*
I need more...
[/quote]
Ill buy the fucking house mself if it helps getting him out of our club!!!
[/quote]
liverpool should call your bluff 😉
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218596#msg1218596 date=1289819068]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218591#msg1218591 date=1289818926]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218586#msg1218586 date=1289818658]
I was responding to the ridicule spideys post received, so I think it's fairly obvious what point I'm trying to make - that we could be doing a better job of challenging for fourth. At no point has anyone said that removing Ro is a miracle cure or that the squad isn't desperately in need of improvement.
The two viewpoints are not in direct competition with one another. If the belief is - as is almost implied by some comments here - that the squad is so bad that midtable is where we belong, then Roy isn't doing that bad a job. You can't have it both ways. If the squad is underperforming, the manager is shit and we're only six points away from fourth, then some improvement gained by a new manager who isn't quite as shit would see us close enough to fourth to consider it a challenge of sorts at least for the time being.
I'm not really seeing any scope for debate here.
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Fair enough,ken..I'm not going to defend Hodgson for being incredibly tactically inept and for not utilising the squad better.
I don't think anyone was ridiculing Neil's post, either...at least I wasnt trying to.
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I was called daft for claiming we had a squad capable of challenge for 4th.
[/quote]
Pft.
I've been called much worse.
Take it like a man! ;D
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218591#msg1218591 date=1289818926]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218586#msg1218586 date=1289818658]
I was responding to the ridicule spideys post received, so I think it's fairly obvious what point I'm trying to make - that we could be doing a better job of challenging for fourth. At no point has anyone said that removing Ro is a miracle cure or that the squad isn't desperately in need of improvement.
The two viewpoints are not in direct competition with one another. If the belief is - as is almost implied by some comments here - that the squad is so bad that midtable is where we belong, then Roy isn't doing that bad a job. You can't have it both ways. If the squad is underperforming, the manager is shit and we're only six points away from fourth, then some improvement gained by a new manager who isn't quite as shit would see us close enough to fourth to consider it a challenge of sorts at least for the time being.
I'm not really seeing any scope for debate here.
[/quote]
Fair enough,ken..I'm not going to defend Hodgson for being incredibly tactically inept and for not utilising the squad better.
I don't think anyone was ridiculing Neil's post, either...at least I wasnt trying to.
[/quote]
I was called daft for claiming we had a squad capable of challenge for 4th.
[/quote]
Pft.
I've been called much worse.
Take it like a man! ;D
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218613#msg1218613 date=1289819489]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1218611#msg1218611 date=1289819403]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218605#msg1218605 date=1289819276]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
*takes fix*
I need more...
[/quote]
Ill buy the fucking house mself if it helps getting him out of our club!!!
[/quote]
liverpool should call your bluff 😉
[/quote]
Test me.... 😉
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1218611#msg1218611 date=1289819403]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218605#msg1218605 date=1289819276]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=42120.msg1218599#msg1218599 date=1289819149]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42120.msg1218593#msg1218593 date=1289819049]
Can someone please make up some insider info about Roy going to give us some hope?
Hansern, are you there? Give us something please...
*starts twitching*
[/quote]
My mate is a housing seller. he says Roys house has been put on the market place for a quick sale.
[/quote]
*takes fix*
I need more...
[/quote]
Ill buy the fucking house mself if it helps getting him out of our club!!!
[/quote]
liverpool should call your bluff 😉
[/quote]
Test me.... 😉
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218615#msg1218615 date=1289819569]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218596#msg1218596 date=1289819068]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218591#msg1218591 date=1289818926]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218586#msg1218586 date=1289818658]
I was responding to the ridicule spideys post received, so I think it's fairly obvious what point I'm trying to make - that we could be doing a better job of challenging for fourth. At no point has anyone said that removing Ro is a miracle cure or that the squad isn't desperately in need of improvement.
The two viewpoints are not in direct competition with one another. If the belief is - as is almost implied by some comments here - that the squad is so bad that midtable is where we belong, then Roy isn't doing that bad a job. You can't have it both ways. If the squad is underperforming, the manager is shit and we're only six points away from fourth, then some improvement gained by a new manager who isn't quite as shit would see us close enough to fourth to consider it a challenge of sorts at least for the time being.
I'm not really seeing any scope for debate here.
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Fair enough,ken..I'm not going to defend Hodgson for being incredibly tactically inept and for not utilising the squad better.
I don't think anyone was ridiculing Neil's post, either...at least I wasnt trying to.
[/quote]
I was called daft for claiming we had a squad capable of challenge for 4th.
[/quote]
Pft.
I've been called much worse.
Take it like a daft man! ;D
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:laugh:
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218596#msg1218596 date=1289819068]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218591#msg1218591 date=1289818926]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218586#msg1218586 date=1289818658]
I was responding to the ridicule spideys post received, so I think it's fairly obvious what point I'm trying to make - that we could be doing a better job of challenging for fourth. At no point has anyone said that removing Ro is a miracle cure or that the squad isn't desperately in need of improvement.
The two viewpoints are not in direct competition with one another. If the belief is - as is almost implied by some comments here - that the squad is so bad that midtable is where we belong, then Roy isn't doing that bad a job. You can't have it both ways. If the squad is underperforming, the manager is shit and we're only six points away from fourth, then some improvement gained by a new manager who isn't quite as shit would see us close enough to fourth to consider it a challenge of sorts at least for the time being.
I'm not really seeing any scope for debate here.
[/quote]
Fair enough,ken..I'm not going to defend Hodgson for being incredibly tactically inept and for not utilising the squad better.
I don't think anyone was ridiculing Neil's post, either...at least I wasnt trying to.
[/quote]
I was called daft for claiming we had a squad capable of challenge for 4th.
[/quote]
Pft.
I've been called much worse.
Take it like a daft man! ;D
[/quote]
:laugh:
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218575#msg1218575 date=1289817362]
We have indeed had this argument before, which is why you should know that no-one is talking about "expecting" a top four finish, but rather making a bit of more of a go at challenging for it. Last season, we were there or thereabouts for fourth at times despite being rubbish, so your argument of not being able to produce any kind of reasoned logic to back this argument up is wrong. We weren't a million miles away. We ultimately failed and drifted off towards the end, but then that's why everyone wanted Rafa sacked, isn't it?
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Rafa was sacked because of repeated failure to strengthen the squad. It was certainly not a knee jerk to finishing 7th. I don't remember many people criticizing him as a manager who was incapable of getting the best out of his squad. I think he did as well as it was possible till the midway point of the season and he lost the plot in the tail end of the season. We could have still had 4th - but if we did, i would have given credit to Benitez for getting the best out of squad he had. I would certainly not be drawing conclusions that ours was better than City or Spurs' squad. It was just about capable of challenging top 4 with one of the smartest tacticians in European football.
In the off season we went backwards. We had a squad that (in my opinion of course) was just about capable of challenging top 4, and we went backwards. We shiped Aquilani out, and brough Raul Miereles in. We lost Mascherano out and brought Poulsen in. Rierra and Yossi out for an injury prone Joe Cole and Jovanovic. We shipped Insua out and brought Konchesky in. Except for Miereles there is not much positive about the changes we made, while teams around us spent big money to strengthen. Birmingham had a better tranfer window than us. So if we don't move forward in the face of such intense competition, we are actually going backwards.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42120.msg1218575#msg1218575 date=1289817362]
This season we've been far far worse, so now everyone wants Roy sacked... knowing that without a manager who holds us back, we can be a little better. So given that we're not *that* far off top, what exactly are your expectations for a new manager to do a little bit better because right about now you guys are basically giving out the same loser'ish vibes that Roy is getting such a hard time over.
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Roy has underperformed massively - agreed, and it is also a fact that we are still only 4 or 5 points behind the 4th placed team. But we have only played 13 games in a very competitive league. People want Roy sacked because, the way we are playing, it would be stupid to expect us to be only 4 or 5 points behind the 4th placed team at the end of the season. There is every chance that the gap will be massive from the 4th placed team. That is the fear, and with a better manager we can at best hope to stay in touch with the top 4, but i don't see what you are seeing in our squad to assume that change of manager will get us fighting for top 4 till the end of the season.
I just don't see how you can build an argument for the strength of the squad based on the number of points we are behind 4th placed team this early in the season. I'm not buying it. We were comprehensively outplayed by Stoke, Blackpool, Sunderland and other no name teams this season.
Anything above 6th at the end of the season will be a big big effort and we probably would need a big Jan transfer window even for that.
We have indeed had this argument before, which is why you should know that no-one is talking about "expecting" a top four finish, but rather making a bit of more of a go at challenging for it. Last season, we were there or thereabouts for fourth at times despite being rubbish, so your argument of not being able to produce any kind of reasoned logic to back this argument up is wrong. We weren't a million miles away. We ultimately failed and drifted off towards the end, but then that's why everyone wanted Rafa sacked, isn't it?
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Rafa was sacked because of repeated failure to strengthen the squad. It was certainly not a knee jerk to finishing 7th. I don't remember many people criticizing him as a manager who was incapable of getting the best out of his squad. I think he did as well as it was possible till the midway point of the season and he lost the plot in the tail end of the season. We could have still had 4th - but if we did, i would have given credit to Benitez for getting the best out of squad he had. I would certainly not be drawing conclusions that ours was better than City or Spurs' squad. It was just about capable of challenging top 4 with one of the smartest tacticians in European football.
In the off season we went backwards. We had a squad that (in my opinion of course) was just about capable of challenging top 4, and we went backwards. We shiped Aquilani out, and brough Raul Miereles in. We lost Mascherano out and brought Poulsen in. Rierra and Yossi out for an injury prone Joe Cole and Jovanovic. We shipped Insua out and brought Konchesky in. Except for Miereles there is not much positive about the changes we made, while teams around us spent big money to strengthen. Birmingham had a better tranfer window than us. So if we don't move forward in the face of such intense competition, we are actually going backwards.
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This season we've been far far worse, so now everyone wants Roy sacked... knowing that without a manager who holds us back, we can be a little better. So given that we're not *that* far off top, what exactly are your expectations for a new manager to do a little bit better because right about now you guys are basically giving out the same loser'ish vibes that Roy is getting such a hard time over.
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Roy has underperformed massively - agreed, and it is also a fact that we are still only 4 or 5 points behind the 4th placed team. But we have only played 13 games in a very competitive league. People want Roy sacked because, the way we are playing, it would be stupid to expect us to be only 4 or 5 points behind the 4th placed team at the end of the season. There is every chance that the gap will be massive from the 4th placed team. That is the fear, and with a better manager we can at best hope to stay in touch with the top 4, but i don't see what you are seeing in our squad to assume that change of manager will get us fighting for top 4 till the end of the season.
I just don't see how you can build an argument for the strength of the squad based on the number of points we are behind 4th placed team this early in the season. I'm not buying it. We were comprehensively outplayed by Stoke, Blackpool, Sunderland and other no name teams this season.
Anything above 6th at the end of the season will be a big big effort and we probably would need a big Jan transfer window even for that.
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His latest interviews has a bit of a resigned tone don't they? Or is it just wishfull thinking?
If it's true that he has a meeting with NESV this week, then maybe we can get rid of him. Fingers crossed.
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Maybe Comolli have seen enough so far. He has after all been to both Wigan and Stoke during his reign as Director of football strategy.
His latest interviews has a bit of a resigned tone don't they? Or is it just wishfull thinking?
If it's true that he has a meeting with NESV this week, then maybe we can get rid of him. Fingers crossed.
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Maybe Comolli have seen enough so far. He has after all been to both Wigan and Stoke during his reign as Director of football strategy.
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Kenny as caretaker now.
New manager installed Summer 2011 (or sooner if the right 'young and sexy' candidate is available).
Change our style of play from day one and let's start to look like a Liverpool-team we'd actually be proud of to cheer on. I actually don't mind us drawing to Wigans and loosing to the Stokes now and then as long as we're at least trying to play some decent and positive footy.
New manager installed Summer 2011 (or sooner if the right 'young and sexy' candidate is available).
Change our style of play from day one and let's start to look like a Liverpool-team we'd actually be proud of to cheer on. I actually don't mind us drawing to Wigans and loosing to the Stokes now and then as long as we're at least trying to play some decent and positive footy.
Excellent!
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wishful thinking...
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wishful thinking...
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Probably just to sit around, scratch their arses and talk about the new stadium they probably wont build anyway?
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Probably just to sit around, scratch their arses and talk about the new stadium they probably wont build anyway?
Is there a board meeting held every Monday?
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