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BYE BYE ROY!!!!!

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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42120.msg1199976#msg1199976 date=1287408680]
Didn't Tomkins state he had heard some time ago that before the Boro match away when Carra got told to play on the right back and rejected. He said to Benitez, it's your fault you bought shite in the summer.
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Given Carragher is an employee of LFC and is paid a weekly salary that a lot of fans fail to earn in several years, he should play wherever he's fucking told to.
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I have to agree with that, but again, it's speculation that carra even said that.
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yeah but it's fairly common knowledge that carra pretty much refused to play there - why the fuck else was skrtel playing there (disastrously, as it turned out) instead? whether he actually said that or not is pretty much by-the-by as far as i'm concerned. but FWIW tomkins, although coming out with some fairly laughable, tenuous, shit in defence of rafa, is still a respectable figure and a published author - he's not just some internet mentalist plucking stuff out of thin air, so he wouldn't want to risk whatever reputation he has without being fairly sure of his sources.
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I'm not sure what point you're getting at here, pete.

Are you suggesting that Carra tried to get Rafa out or something?
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no mate, i'm saying that it's more or less certain that he refused to play right back vs boro, and that imo that's such a disgraceful thing to do that it's a small leap to believe that he said what tomkins is alleging, and then really, if those 2 things are true...who knows about the rest? it's all rumours, but benitez himself said that he believed someone was leaking undermining stories to the same people in the press - it's not just some cyberspace spastics on a mission.

but, obviously, to say he deliberately threw matches or that him and gerrard are as bad as G&H is thoroughly disgraceful.
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1200082#msg1200082 date=1287419029]
I think he has less than a week to correct things. A poor game thursday might even earn him the sack before the weekend.
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roy isn't going to get sacked on the back of a european game.
 
Pete : I'd agree that had more players been more worthy of the shirt last year, we wouldnt be in this mess now.

BUt I think it's a bit harsh on Carra; who has played many games at fullback, and had deputized there even last year.

I do remember him expressing his desire to not play at fullback anymore as he felt he didnt have the legs for it, so I can well imagine that conversation taking place. I'm not sure if he'd have refused to play though.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1200081#msg1200081 date=1287418906]
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By the way, will Broughton stay on as the chairman in the new regime, or will he be replaced?

If he's going to step down, who do you think is the best choice for the chairman role?
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Broughton will stay for a short period to complete the handover, then he'll go.

Haven't a clue who should replace him (a full and proper search needs to be done, as it does for a permanent managerial appointment) but priority 1 is for them to have a good business brain. It's what Sir John Smith had during the glory years, it's what Broughton demonstrated big-time to get shot of H and G, and it's what we HAVE to have in a chairman who'll take this club forward successfully.
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Well, it seems that tribalfootball has start calling Thomas Werner as the new chairman already.
 
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1200082#msg1200082 date=1287419029]
I think he has less than a week to correct things. A poor game thursday might even earn him the sack before the weekend.
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roy isn't going to get sacked on the back of a european game.
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Yes, he will.

Whilst Brendan is right to be critical of the Board for appointing a manager that has proven to be this rubbish (even if he hadnt shown this level of rubbishness for a while), his contract clearly suggests this to be a stop-gap move pending the sale of the club.

Had Broughton been able to confirm the sale months ago, I'm convinced we'd have gotten a far better manager and there'd be no such talk of a humiliating 'release clause', and really, what kind of top manager would have come on such a clause?

Even if Hodgson had met the pitiful expectations placed on him, he'd have been sacked once the sale was done.

That he hasnt even met that spells certain doom for him.
 
Tribalfootball is not a reliable source. That's not to say Werner won't be the new chairman (and he certainly has a good business background), but it's hard to see how he could combine the job with all his commitments in America for any length of time. If he does take the chair, my guess is that would be an interim appointment while they look around for a more permanent one.
 
one thing about getting a young hungry manager is, if they think it's time to ease out carra (for example) they have got to get results straight away because if you clash with a big player and lose games you wont last long, as ruud gullit found out to his cost.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1200097#msg1200097 date=1287419966]
Tribalfootball is not a reliable source. That's not to say Werner won't be the new chairman (and he certainly has a good business background), but it's hard to see how he could combine the job with all his commitments in America for any length of time.
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I know, they are the only site that address Werner as the new chairman anyway.

I'd prefer someone who actually knows football though, not just someone who's only good with the number.
 
A combination would be ideal, but business savvy is far and away the more important qualification. Business savvy gets you Martin Broughton. Knowing football but having zero business ability gets you David Moores.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1200089#msg1200089 date=1287419553]
Pete : I'd agree that had more players been more worthy of the shirt last year, we wouldnt be in this mess now.

BUt I think it's a bit harsh on Carra; who has played many games at fullback, and had deputized there even last year.

I do remember him expressing his desire to not play at fullback anymore as he felt he didnt have the legs for it, so I can well imagine that conversation taking place. I'm not sure if he'd have refused to play though.
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why did skrtel play right-back then? it's not an easy one to answer is it?

maybe benitez just woke up that morning and thought, well what the hell, rather than ask carra to fill in at right back with his extensive experience of the position, i'll plump for the completely untried and completely unsuited skrtel instead: it's only a crucial game in our quest to win our first title in nearly 20 fucking years, after all.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1200084#msg1200084 date=1287419115]
I hope you're right, because I wouldn't even give him that long if it were up to me.
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Indeed, for his sake as well as the the club's. It's disgraceful for LFC to be second to bottom at this stage of the season and it's also unpleasant to see one of the game's gentlemen out of his depth, under serious stress and giving increasingly bizarre media interviews.
 
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1200082#msg1200082 date=1287419029]
I think he has less than a week to correct things. A poor game thursday might even earn him the sack before the weekend.
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roy isn't going to get sacked on the back of a european game.
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Yes, he will.

Whilst Brendan is right to be critical of the Board for appointing a manager that has proven to be this rubbish (even if he hadnt shown this level of rubbishness for a while), his contract clearly suggests this to be a stop-gap move pending the sale of the club.

Had Broughton been able to confirm the sale months ago, I'm convinced we'd have gotten a far better manager and there'd be no such talk of a humiliating 'release clause', and really, what kind of top manager would have come on such a clause?

Even if Hodgson had met the pitiful expectations placed on him, he'd have been sacked once the sale was done.

That he hasnt even met that spells certain doom for him.
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that may well be, but roy isn't going to get sacked on the back of a european game. I would bet any amount of money that is liverpool lose on thurdsay will still be in charge to pick the team at the weekend.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=42120.msg1200127#msg1200127 date=1287421410]
Its Bye Bye Gordan at 'Boro
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And hello Mowbray. Fact. Lump on it.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=42120.msg1200129#msg1200129 date=1287421508]
Defeat against Blackburn and he's a gonner.
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if fans knew that for a fact I wonder how many of them would be willing fat sam on.
 
I wonder if purslow has admitted his mistake to himself or if out of sheer hubris is telling henry to give roy more time with the slim hope roy may turn it around.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=42120.msg1200129#msg1200129 date=1287421508]
Defeat against Blackburn and he's a gonner.
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yep.

i said before the derby he'd have to get at least 4 points from the next 3 games, and i stand by that, even if it isn't exactly the boldest prediction in the world.
 
Have you heard anything Sheik? I would imagine that if he doesn't win against B'Burn he's gone.

He seems to have lost it, and the pressure is getting to him. The comments he made about Denmark and Norway yesterday apperantly caused a shitstorm, and the press office had loads of complaints. The Norwegian Supporters Branch have 35,000 members that pay an annual fee. Imagine all the supporters that aren't members. It's a lot to say the least.
 
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No mate. Just my opinion.
 
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you wonder a lot 😉
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wonder woman!!! ;D

you take off her corset and wonder where her boobs have gone 😉
 
There are thirty games to go therefore a run of wins will shoot us right up the table however it's difficult to see where that run will come from at the moment, Roy appears to have lost the plot and the team is in a tail spin.

The buck stops with the manager however many of the players have been an absolute fucking disgrace. They're wearing the Red shirt of Liverpool and too many of them are moping around with an utterly shit attitude, none more so than Fernando fucking Torres. Fuck right off.
 
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I wonder if purslow has admitted his mistake to himself or if out of sheer hubris is telling henry to give roy more time with the slim hope roy may turn it around.
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I don't think anyone will claim that HOdgson has been anything other than a disaster.

The fact that his contract allows a termination clause should suggest that.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1200134#msg1200134 date=1287421782]
I wonder if purslow has admitted his mistake to himself or if out of sheer hubris is telling henry to give roy more time with the slim hope roy may turn it around.
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I don't think anyone will claim that HOdgson has been anything other than a disaster.

The fact that his contract allows a termination clause should suggest that.
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What is the termination clause? NESV can relieve him of his duties without paying up his contract?
 
Whatever about clauses that allow you to release the manager if you've a new owner, I can't get my head around contracts that aren't in some way performance related. For example, "if you turn us into relegation candidates after a quarter of the season or at any point thereafter we can can your ass for free".
 
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I wonder if purslow has admitted his mistake to himself or if out of sheer hubris is telling henry to give roy more time with the slim hope roy may turn it around.
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I don't think anyone will claim that HOdgson has been anything other than a disaster.

The fact that his contract allows a termination clause should suggest that.
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What is the termination clause? NESV can relieve him of his duties without paying up his contract?
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Think it was a one year severance in the event he was sacked after the club was sold.

It was intended to give a prospective owner some flexibility though, not account for a manager beng shit.
 
New Liverpool owner John Henry & NESV to spend 'wisely'

New Liverpool owner learns from fans

Liverpool's new owner John Henry has warned he will not throw money at the club in a bid to solve their problems.

Henry, whose NESV group sealed a £300m takeover on Friday, watched the Reds slip to 19th in the Premier League with Sunday's 3-0 defeat at Everton.

"I don't have 'Sheikh' in front of my name," said the American, referring to Manchester City owner Sheikh Mansour.

"When we spend a dollar, it has to be wisely. We can't afford contracts that do not make long-term sense." He added: "We have to be smart, bold, aggressive."

The takeover of Liverpool by Henry's New England Sports Ventures (NESV) eliminated the acquisition debt placed on the club by previous owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Liverpool's new owner John W Henry could not resist taking a look at what £300m has bought him - and got a gruesome illustration of the scale of the task he has taken on

But on-field troubles persist and the derby loss at Goodison Park leaves Roy Hodgson's side second-bottom of the English top flight with only six points from their opening eight games and a goal difference of minus six.

Key players such as Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres have struggled for form, while summer signings Joe Cole, Christian Poulsen, Raul Meireles and Paul Konchesky have yet to make an impact.

Off the pitch, meanwhile, funding issues have delayed the start of work on Liverpool's proposed 60,000-seater stadium in Stanley Park.

But despite the club's current plight, Henry has refused to give assurances over transfer budgets or plans for the new stadium.

"What am I thinking? How much work this is going to be. How steep the learning curve is going to be. This is not going to be easy," said the 61-year-old, whose company NESV also owns the Boston Red Sox baseball franchise.

"We realise the challenge that lies ahead if we are going to go toe-to-toe with the other big clubs. We are not asking for a long honeymoon. This is a contact sport we are in and the going can get rough sometimes. We realise that.

"We are not going to make any promises but we are going to listen and consider."

I don't think any thinking individual buys an English football club to make money - it's about competing at the highest level in the world's largest sport for us that's why we are here

John Henry
NESV, Liverpool and their major creditors Royal Bank of Scotland were accused of an "epic swindle" by Hicks, claiming the club had been severely undervalued.

Henry, whose history with the Red Sox suggests there will be significant investment to come over the coming months, denied that was the case.

And although he may not have access to the same level of funds as City's owners, the Abu Dhabi United Group , he plans to make money and not waste it on interest payments as the previous owners did.

"There were big financial issues but in the end we made a decision we really wanted to compete at this level," Henry told the Liverpool Echo.

"I know some people are saying this was a cheap price. There is no way we look at this as a cheap price for this club.

"When we arrived at the Red Sox, the New York Yankees were a juggernaut and it wasn't that much of a rivalry. I believe we turned it into a rivalry where we have gone toe-to-toe with the Yankees even though they have got a much higher revenue. They keep going up but we have gone up faster.

It was great to finally get to work. We met with supporters' group. No, we didn't give any assurances. We are here to listen and to learn from them and we learned a lot today

John Henry
"When we looked at Liverpool, the first thing that struck us was there are opportunities here to really build a winner.

"The revenue potentials around the world - it is a global football club - and especially with the financial fair play rules, it is really going to be revenue that drives how good your club can be in the future.

"That is one thing that we think we are good at."

NESV is backed by 17 investors and Henry stated: "I don't think any thinking individual buys a sports franchise these days - or an English football club - to make money.

"Maybe a few, but they should have their head examined. It's about competing at the highest level in the world's largest sport for us, that's why we are here."

On Monday, Henry and fellow co-owner Tom Werner met with local MPs and supporters' groups to discuss their plans for the club.

"It was great to finally get to work," said Henry. "We met with supporters' group. No, we didn't give any assurances. We are here to listen and to learn from them and we learned a lot today.

"I think the biggest issue was a sense of disenfranchisement and their sense of not being part of their own and that is what we discussed. This was a big first step today."


I wonder what John thinks about Carragher's contract sqeezed in just before they took over.
 
So is the RAWK hatred of Carra just based on the rumour that he refused to play at right back and the assumption that he said he wasn't keen on Benitez staying?

Ridiculous. Firstly, I don't actually believe he refused to play at right back. Did he still play in the game? I can't check now. If he refused to play in one position is it that likely that he would still have been selected? And if so what kind of manager does that make Benitez? A pretty fucking weak one!

Regarding him not wanting Benitez to stay, well he is entitled to his opinion, and given that he knew what went on in the dressing room and in training that opinion is worth a lot more than that of the RAWK retards.
 
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