BYE BYE ROY!!!!!

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=Mojo link=topic=42120.msg1199942#msg1199942 date=1287405240]
"The first thing we have to do is start playing and winning matches. Hopefully we can do that and get ourselves in a better position, then if the owners can find a way to back us and improve the team in the transfer window we will obviously do so.

"Of course the January transfer window is something that interests us. We'll have to do our scouting work for future transfers like any other club, but it's not something that interests us in the coming weeks. What interests me is preparing for Napoli and Blackburn - a game we need to win."

His latest ramblings from SS.
[/quote]

Tbh those comments are better, the "start playing" comment is telling. That makes me suspect he at least knows we're shite but doesn't wanna come out & say it to the press.

A faint glimmer of hope should he end staying another game. Maybe. Perhaps.

 

[manwithnoname]

Sorry, have I missed something? Which cunt said Gerrard and Carra are worse than H and G?

Surely that type of insanity only exists on that cunt-soup abomination SQUAWK?

 

[singlerider]

Which is obviously where our esteemed new member has come from, given his somewhat circumspect references to Carra and co

 

[Hansern]

Someone on RAWK has said that Roy will have a meeting today with the owners, and will either get his marching orders or be told that he has x amount of games to prove himself. Says it comes from the same source that told him about the takeover...

There is also a rumour that Pepe wants out because of the Hodgson regime, anyone else heard this? Probably bollocks though.

 

[737Max]

Says it all if Pepe who has loyaly stated time and time again he'd stick with the club through thick and thin is getting pissed off and is now wanting out.

 

[singlerider]

There is no difference between Hicks/Gillett and Carragher/Gerrard if the rumour about their involvement in removing Rafa was true.

i and a few others fully agree with that

They really are a complete fucking joke.

I can't remember if I posted it the other day, but there was some blert wishing Carra got injured so that he could be dropped

 

[Hansern]

Didn't Tomkins state he had heard some time ago that before the Boro match away when Carra got told to play on the right back and rejected. He said to Benitez, it's your fault you bought shite in the summer.

 

[dirtyho]

I define better as winning the league - what else?

As much as there were many wonderful memories during his tenure, there were some dire ones as well

Only Mourinho, Ferguson and Wenger have won it recently (Ancellotti to recent to tell on this front) and all have had substantial moaning from some quarters of their support. This is the natural ebb and flow of fortune - fans are not patient or understanding.

People played out of position, mystifying teamsheets that even simpletons could see were bound to fail, a rigid inability to make substitutions before 60 minutes, tactics designed to negate the opposition rather than play them off the park - when it's Stoke, at home . . .

Mourinho criticised for negativity, Ferguson criticised for tactical naivety (especially in Europe), Wenger criticised for playing too much fantasy football - can't win at Stoke. Manager's can't win unfortunately, some fans always know better and want it done a different way.

I'd like to see somebody who plays (knows even) his best team, and plays the right person in the right position. Somebody who recognises the obvious and does it when it's needed, but has the imagination and innovation to do something different as well.

Most of this unfortunately is in the sphere of "opinions"

Somebody who isn't afraid to let the leash off and destroy teams that have come to park the bus, but is pragmatic enough to play smart and 'anti-football' the people that need to have their natural game broken up.

See Mourinho and Wenger criticisms above. Everyone would like to win every game playing fantasy football, yet also win dirty when they're not playing well (a contradiction in terms) unfortunately reality often intrudes on this perfect scenario...

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=42120.msg1199974#msg1199974 date=1287408237]

There is no difference between Hicks/Gillett and Carragher/Gerrard if the rumour about their involvement in removing Rafa was true.

i and a few others fully agree with that

They really are a complete fucking joke.

I can't remember if I posted it the other day, but there was some blert wishing Carra got injured so that he could be dropped
[/quote]

Nobody would post that on 6cm, surely

Although if you're referring to Winning Eleven, I think I did tell him to "Fuck off back to SQUAWK, you cunt" yesterday.

I think. It's a bit blurry.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=WinningEleven link=topic=42120.msg1199376#msg1199376 date=1287337510]

who knows if carra undermined rafa by purposely throwing games...

[/quote]

Oh yeah. It was this cunt I told to fuck off back to SQUAWK.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1199978#msg1199978 date=1287408877]

I define better as winning the league - what else?

As much as there were many wonderful memories during his tenure, there were some dire ones as well

Only Mourinho, Ferguson and Wenger have won it recently (Ancellotti to recent to tell on this front) and all have had substantial moaning from some quarters of their support. This is the natural ebb and flow of fortune - fans are not patient or understanding.

People played out of position, mystifying teamsheets that even simpletons could see were bound to fail, a rigid inability to make substitutions before 60 minutes, tactics designed to negate the opposition rather than play them off the park - when it's Stoke, at home . . .

Mourinho criticised for negativity, Ferguson criticised for tactical naivety (especially in Europe), Wenger criticised for playing too much fantasy football - can't win at Stoke. Manager's can't win unfortunately, some fans always know better and want it done a different way.

I'd like to see somebody who plays (knows even) his best team, and plays the right person in the right position. Somebody who recognises the obvious and does it when it's needed, but has the imagination and innovation to do something different as well.

Most of this unfortunately is in the sphere of "opinions"

Somebody who isn't afraid to let the leash off and destroy teams that have come to park the bus, but is pragmatic enough to play smart and 'anti-football' the people that need to have their natural game broken up.

See Mourinho and Wenger criticisms above. Everyone would like to win every game playing fantasy football, yet also win dirty when they're not playing well (a contradiction in terms) unfortunately reality often intrudes on this perfect scenario...



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Well said.

 

[WinningEleven]

Thanks, Brendan. Anymore? :laugh:

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42120.msg1199987#msg1199987 date=1287409356]
[quote author=WinningEleven link=topic=42120.msg1199376#msg1199376 date=1287337510]

who knows if carra undermined rafa by purposely throwing games...

[/quote]

Oh yeah. It was this cunt I told to fuck off back to SQUAWK.
[/quote]

 

[singlerider]

Yeah, but Mourinho and Ferguson proved any doubters wrong by winning, and let the results speak for themselves.

Whilst Rafa's achievements were unquestionable, the holy grail still eluded us. Even when we came second, there were still games where we should have gone out to spank teams and instead we were set up as though we were playing the Scum or Barca and were trying to disrupt their gameplan. That's all well and good when it is someone like that, and as Rafa has proved over the years he is excellent at getting a good or even great result against teams that are (on paper) better than us. However, when the gameplan is ten men behind the ball and hang on for a draw, then we really needed to show a little more adventure.

some fans always know better

I know it's easy to criticise from the armchair, but on the other hand there's no excuses for failing to spot the blindingly obvious - which at times Rafa was very guilty of. Such as fielding a midfield pairing of Lucas and Masherano against teams that basically sat back and invited us to try and play through them - with a central midfield *so* devoid of creativity it was never gonna happen, and it didn't take a genius to work it out - and yet Rafa - who was undoubtedly capable of moments of genius - was somehow blind to this.

Still, there's no point turning this into an anti-Rafa thread, he's gone. Hopefully in the near future Roy will be gone too. The crucial thing is to find somebody who can tick all these boxes. Someone who can restore the defensive solidity we had under Rafa, but turn a few more draws into wins

 

[WinningEleven]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1199934#msg1199934 date=1287404121]

Don't forget the SuperCup.

Musnt forget the SuperCup.

And being finalists of the World Club Championship.
[/quote]

Any significant?

 

[peekay]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42120.msg1199965#msg1199965 date=1287407570]
Someone on RAWK has said that Roy will have a meeting today with the owners, and will either get his marching orders or be told that he has x amount of games to prove himself. Says it comes from the same source that told him about the takeover...

There is also a rumour that Pepe wants out because of the Hodgson regime, anyone else heard this? Probably bollocks though.
[/quote]

I heard the same but maybe it is the same rumour being regurgitated.

Apparently Hodgson does see the need for Pepe sweeping and is trying to change his style to a more English shot stopper style of keeper.

Again not exactly the best of sources

 

[Squiggles]

There is no need for a keeper-sweeper when a manager instructs the defence to not move up the field.

 

[spider-Neil]

the is no denying carra is in decline but the beating he is receiving on RAWK is shocking. how do they 'know' he was complicite in rafa's sacking? it's all speculation and hearsay.

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42120.msg1199976#msg1199976 date=1287408680]
Didn't Tomkins state he had heard some time ago that before the Boro match away when Carra got told to play on the right back and rejected. He said to Benitez, it's your fault you bought shite in the summer.
[/quote]

Given Carragher is an employee of LFC and is paid a weekly salary that a lot of fans fail to earn in several years, he should play wherever he's fucking told to.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Wilko link=topic=42120.msg1200003#msg1200003 date=1287410589]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42120.msg1199976#msg1199976 date=1287408680]
Didn't Tomkins state he had heard some time ago that before the Boro match away when Carra got told to play on the right back and rejected. He said to Benitez, it's your fault you bought shite in the summer.
[/quote]

Given Carragher is an employee of LFC and is paid a weekly salary that a lot of fans fail to earn in several years, he should play wherever he's fucking told to.
[/quote]

I have to agree with that, but again, it's speculation that carra even said that.

 

[dirtyho]

Yeah, but Mourinho and Ferguson proved any doubters wrong by winning, and let the results speak for themselves.

True - but at the time of success both Mourinho and Ferguson had the benefit of settled and supportive boardroom situations - and more importantly more money to spend than any other team in the league.

Look what happened to Mourinho when Abramovich wanted more fantasy football. It didn't go that well for a while...

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1200005#msg1200005 date=1287410691]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=42120.msg1200003#msg1200003 date=1287410589]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42120.msg1199976#msg1199976 date=1287408680]
Didn't Tomkins state he had heard some time ago that before the Boro match away when Carra got told to play on the right back and rejected. He said to Benitez, it's your fault you bought shite in the summer.
[/quote]

Given Carragher is an employee of LFC and is paid a weekly salary that a lot of fans fail to earn in several years, he should play wherever he's fucking told to.
[/quote]

I have to agree with that, but again, it's speculation that carra even said that.
[/quote]


yeah but it's fairly common knowledge that carra pretty much refused to play there - why the fuck else was skrtel playing there (disastrously, as it turned out) instead? whether he actually said that or not is pretty much by-the-by as far as i'm concerned. but FWIW tomkins, although coming out with some fairly laughable, tenuous, shit in defence of rafa, is still a respectable figure and a published author - he's not just some internet mentalist plucking stuff out of thin air, so he wouldn't want to risk whatever reputation he has without being fairly sure of his sources.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=WinningEleven link=topic=42120.msg1199993#msg1199993 date=1287409980]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1199934#msg1199934 date=1287404121]

Don't forget the SuperCup.

Musnt forget the SuperCup.

And being finalists of the World Club Championship.
[/quote]

Any significant?
[/quote]



It is if you think it is.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42120.msg1200061#msg1200061 date=1287415686]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1200005#msg1200005 date=1287410691]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=42120.msg1200003#msg1200003 date=1287410589]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42120.msg1199976#msg1199976 date=1287408680]
Didn't Tomkins state he had heard some time ago that before the Boro match away when Carra got told to play on the right back and rejected. He said to Benitez, it's your fault you bought shite in the summer.
[/quote]

Given Carragher is an employee of LFC and is paid a weekly salary that a lot of fans fail to earn in several years, he should play wherever he's fucking told to.
[/quote]

I have to agree with that, but again, it's speculation that carra even said that.
[/quote]


yeah but it's fairly common knowledge that carra pretty much refused to play there - why the fuck else was skrtel playing there (disastrously, as it turned out) instead? whether he actually said that or not is pretty much by-the-by as far as i'm concerned. but FWIW tomkins, although coming out with some fairly laughable, tenuous, shit in defence of rafa, is still a respectable figure and a published author - he's not just some internet mentalist plucking stuff out of thin air, so he wouldn't want to risk whatever reputation he has without being fairly sure of his sources.
[/quote]

I'm not sure what point you're getting at here, pete.

Are you suggesting that Carra tried to get Rafa out or something?

 

[Squiggles]

I think it's naive to believe that Purslow, Broughton and whoever else who made the decision were oblivious of the views of the squad, and more importantly, the senior players.

 

[Judge Jules]

I'm sure that's right and, in fairness, those views - while a factor in the situation overall - shouldn't be the most important consideration. That said, I hope they'll also be upstanding enough to recognise that they got this one wrong and to advise NESV accordingly.

 

[KopPoNok]

By the way, will Broughton stay on as the chairman in the new regime, or will he be replaced?

If he's going to step down, who do you think is the best choice for the chairman role?

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42120.msg1200074#msg1200074 date=1287418160]
I think it's naive to believe that Purslow, Broughton and whoever else who made the decision were oblivious of the views of the squad, and more importantly, the senior players.
[/quote]

Of course, but that still doesn't explain who they decided to appoint as his replacement

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42120.msg1200078#msg1200078 date=1287418606]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42120.msg1200074#msg1200074 date=1287418160]
I think it's naive to believe that Purslow, Broughton and whoever else who made the decision were oblivious of the views of the squad, and more importantly, the senior players.
[/quote]

Of course, but that still doesn't explain who they decided to appoint as his replacement
[/quote]


absolutely. kenny was the obvious choice.
* he knows the club
* the players respect him
* he's actually WON shit
* very easy to move him aside once the ownership issue was resolved

hodgson, what a fucking small time appointment that was and to rub salt into the wounds they gave him a THREE YEAR contract. at least they had the good sense to write in a release clause so they weren't 'completely' daft.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=KopPoNok link=topic=42120.msg1200076#msg1200076 date=1287418572]
By the way, will Broughton stay on as the chairman in the new regime, or will he be replaced?

If he's going to step down, who do you think is the best choice for the chairman role?
[/quote]

Broughton will stay for a short period to complete the handover, then he'll go.

Haven't a clue who should replace him (a full and proper search needs to be done, as it does for a permanent managerial appointment) but priority 1 is for them to have a good business brain. It's what Sir John Smith had during the glory years, it's what Broughton demonstrated big-time to get shot of H and G, and it's what we HAVE to have in a chairman who'll take this club forward successfully.

 

[Insignificance]

I think he has less than a week to correct things. A poor game thursday might even earn him the sack before the weekend.