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Post Match Bournemouth (H) - Sept 21st 3pm

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That’s the little things people often nail him for. If he takes a touch and gets brushed off it, people complain. It was a superb first time pass around the corner at pace to set Nunez away. Of course from there it was all Nunez but the 100% Salah’s ball started it off. If he stays with his back to goal and plays the way he’s facing there, people don’t even talk about it.
In a way you’ve dismissed Konate’s assist but not done the same for Mo’s when there was so much to do afterwards to score for both goals.
 
I’ve not alluded to anything. Then you make my point about handing an assist to Mo when Nunez had to do so much to make the goal happen.

Overall, there wasn’t too much between the two. Both looked shaky at times and having the weight of an assist may push it more in Konate’s way.
Fair enough, I thought Virgil looked more assured and was superb in the air.
 
In a way you’ve dismissed Konate’s assist but not done the same for Mo’s when there was so much to do afterwards to score for both goals.
Konates was just a pretty standard long ball under zero pressure to a player in space, while Salah’s was a quick, superbly paced ball around the corner, under pressure that broke the lines. Of course 9/10 it doesn’t end up as an assist (esp as it was Nunez) but it was still superb play, having said that of course it’s very different to beating a few players and laying the ball on a plate for someone.
 
Konates was just a pretty standard long ball under zero pressure to a player in space, while Salah’s was a quick, superbly paced ball around the corner, under pressure that broke the lines. Of course 9/10 it doesn’t end up as an assist (esp as it was Nunez) but it was still superb play, having said that of course it’s very different to beating a few players and laying the ball on a plate for someone.
There is a case that assists are not the best metric to make any kind of point. There is such a wide variety of assists they lose any real meaning.

You may point to the deft touch, whereas I can point to Ib looking and seeing that punt.
 
I'm ok, I guess.

Nah not bored... a bit tired but aren't we all at night?

Who said anything about bad stuff? I enjoy all the goals if honest, by any reds 😃

You said only good stuff, surely you become only a club legend for being nothing else.
Anyway, enjoy. Not much to moan about.
 
Mo shouldn't have seen the 65th minute today. He broke down a fair few attacks, and acted the greedy fucker on more than one occasion
 
Bravo Slot, you got the subs spot on today imo.
It’s not about defending Salah here (I do that enough elsewhere when we talk output like goals and assists), it’s about making the best long term decisions when the short term outcome (result of the immediate game) is already decided.
So playing a 32 year old for 90 mins back to back is a good thing now?

We would have scored at least another goal if Salah was subbed, there was no reason to keep him on the pitch unless it was about him getting his fucking goal.

Slot made 3 subs!

Why not sub Konate who looked tired in the end? Trent who was abysmal defensively in the last 20?
How about having Jota on the pitch to score a goal on the counter?

Subs spot on my arse
 
So playing a 32 year for 90 mins back to back is a good thing now?

We would have scored at least another goal if Salah was subbed, there was no reason to keep him on the pitch unless it was about him getting his fucking goal.

Slot made 3 subs!

Why not sub Konate who looked tired in the end? Trent who was abysmal defensively in the last 20?
How about having Jota on the pitch to score a goal on the counter?

Subs spot on my arse
You cannot not say we would have scored another goal, just like I can’t see we would’ve have. Coulda woulda shoulda.
 
Missing 28 games is enough for me to call any player injury prone after that.
Hopefully he doesn’t get another one but I would 100% be protecting him as much as possible in a season where we are potentially going to be playing more games than ever before.
Him and Jota should be managed accordingly.
Missing 6 months to one bad injury in his career to date doesn't make you injury prone.

It just means you suffered a bad injury once upon a time.
 

View: https://youtu.be/avs4qOZYdJ4?si=-KmDjKmU3eNG3cZj

Superb post-match presser from Slot, worth a listen. Takeaways:

- He sees Diaz/Gakpo and Nunez/Jota as directly competing for their respective positions, which is a change from Klopp’s more flexible idea of filling the attacking positions with different forwards who are all highly versatile and interchangeable. Unlike Klopp, Slot doesn’t shy away from emphasising the competition aspect between players in the squad.

- Slot is a bad loser; he evidently still cannot get over the Forest game and how badly we played there, mentioned it several times. He wants this unpleasant memory to motivate the team as it clearly motivates him.

- A strong hint that Nunez will start or at least play a significant part on Wednesday against West Ham.
 

View: https://x.com/BenBocsak/status/1837526620325736628

Curtis is weird - he can be meh in one game and then something switches in his head and he turns into Zidane. If he could find that level consistently, he’d be undroppable.


The problem is he generally gets injured just when he’s hitting that consistent form.

I do t really get the hate - he’s a handy player to have around and if he can stay fit, it means those other midfielders have to performing at a high level to keep him out.

Slobbers is the one looking likely to find himself on the bench in the near future - Mac A can be the must forward midfielder - he’s lush!!! (to use an Norn Iron phrase I haven’t used in about 40 years).
 
The problem is he generally gets injured just when he’s hitting that consistent form.

I do t really get the hate - he’s a handy player to have around and if he can stay fit, it means those other midfielders have to performing at a high level to keep him out.

Slobbers is the one looking likely to find himself on the bench in the near future - Mac A can be the must forward midfielder - he’s lush!!! (to use an Norn Iron phrase I haven’t used in about 40 years).

Yeah, if Jones finds his best form in the next few weeks, Alexis will probably take Szobo’s place at #10 (finally justifying his shirt number!) and Jones will partner Gravvy at LCM. I’d quite like to see that midfield.
 
Yeah, if Jones finds his best form in the next few weeks, Alexis will probably take Szobo’s place at #10 (finally justifying his shirt number!) and Jones will partner Gravvy at LCM. I’d quite like to see that midfield.
I don't.
 
Macca won't take the 10 space, but I do think Jones will take szobs. Macca and Jones had some absolutely lovely interplay yesterday and seemed a lot more on a wavelength than szob has been with anyone

It's all moot. Everyone's a placeholder til Harvey's back
 
Missing 28 games is enough for me to call any player injury prone after that.
Hopefully he doesn’t get another one but I would 100% be protecting him as much as possible in a season where we are potentially going to be playing more games than ever before.
Him and Jota should be managed accordingly.
Fair enough. Salah missed 3 months last season ... He's a crock
 
This was anything but an easy 3 points. We wasted some good opportunities, so Bournemouth was always in with a chance each time it came forward.

Hopefully, Slot will address this in the weeks to come.
 
Isn't it amazing the rubbish some supporters actually, truly believe, when they're watching a game utterly determined to see a certain thing, rather than to just see what's actually taking place out there...?
 
Isn't it amazing the rubbish some supporters actually, truly believe, when they're watching a game utterly determined to see a certain thing, rather than to just see what's actually taking place out there...?
Personal prejudices. We've all got them. If Nunez wins a corner that's MotM worthy for me.
 
Yeah, if Jones finds his best form in the next few weeks, Alexis will probably take Szobo’s place at #10 (finally justifying his shirt number!) and Jones will partner Gravvy at LCM. I’d quite like to see that midfield.
You have already seen it ... last season at Arsenal, and granted we did not have Salah due to Afcon, but that was the game I thought Gravey was a liability and Mac10 proved he really cant be a full time 6.
 

I’m curious to see Macca at #10 - I think his skillset is the closest we have in the team to the classic #10 type (alongside Elliott) and he might just flourish in that position.

But for this to work we would need a solid and creative CM pairing behind him who can be just as good at progressing the ball as any CM pair with Macca in it. Gravenberch has already shown he can be a part of that ideal pairing, can Jones complement him?
 
I’m curious to see Macca at #10 - I think his skillset is the closest we have in the team to the classic #10 type (alongside Elliott) and he might just flourish in that position.

But for this to work we would need a solid and creative CM pairing behind him who can be just as good at progressing the ball as any CM pair with Macca in it. Gravenberch has already shown he can be a part of that ideal pairing, can Jones complement him?
Yesterday i saw 5 mins of the game (at least Diaz scored during it) and i noticed Szobo playing deeper on the right picking up the ball from Konate and Macca in the 10. It looks like we are being flexible in the midfield roles during possession and build up of olay
 
I’m curious to see Macca at #10 - I think his skillset is the closest we have in the team to the classic #10 type (alongside Elliott) and he might just flourish in that position. But for this to work we would need a solid and creative CM pairing behind him who can be just as good at progressing the ball as any CM pair with Macca in it. Gravenberch has shown he can be a part of that ideal pairing, can Jones complement him?
I have no problem with Macca playing in the no 10 position. My problem is Jones playing as a deep lying midfielder.

Here's why:


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I have no problem with Macca playing in the no 10 position. My problem is Jones playing as a deep lying midfielder.

Here's why:


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Well, Jones’s best role is LCM - basically the role Macca is playing now; shuffling the ball between the deep-lying #6 (Gravenberch) and attacking areas. I think frankly this is the only role he can potentially perform to a world-class standard - unlike Macca, the drop-off when we try to use him in a slightly less comfortable role is huge.

The clip you posted is from a pre-season game where Slot tried him at #6 and that clearly didn’t suit him - his timing when to release the ball was just not there. But a bit further forward (and left-of-centre) he is much more natural and that’s where his good qualities shine.
 
Any midfielder that dwells as much on the ball as Jones should never be the deepest lying of the midfield, that's regardless if you're playing against a team that like to press high. I don't even think his passing is as good as Endo's.

If he's playing next to Grav or Endo then you'd like to think we'd be ok.

We've seen Mac and Szobo take it in turns who drops deeper and who stays higher, Jones would have to replace 1 of them. For me we'd lose a creative spark if that were to be Szobo (as bad as he can be).

The ideal scenario would be moving Jones on as early as Jan, and getting in someone like Ederson or Stiller/Millot.
 
Well, Jones’s best role is LCM - basically the role Macca is playing now; shuffling the ball between the deep-lying #6 (Gravenberch) and attacking areas. I think frankly this is the only role he can potentially perform to a world-class standard - unlike Macca, the drop-off when try to use him in a less comfortable role is huge.

The clip you posted is from a game where Slot tried him at #6 and that clearly didn’t suit him - his timing when to release the ball was just not there. But a bit further forward he is much more natural and that’s where his good qualities shine.
Yep as long as Slot keeps him away from that no 6 spot we're good.
Then again, that leaves Endo or possibly Macca as the only backups for that position.
 
Yep as long as Slot keeps him away from that no 6 spot we're good.
Then again, that leaves Endo or possibly Macca as the only backups for that position.
That’s a different conversation - let’s see who plays in Gravvy’s role vs West Ham. It won’t be Jones, hopefully.
 
Any midfielder that dwells as much on the ball as Jones should never be the deepest lying of the midfield, that's regardless if you're playing against a team that like to press high. I don't even think his passing is as good as Endo's.

If he's playing next to Grav or Endo then you'd like to think we'd be ok.

We've seen Mac and Szobo take it in turns who drops deeper and who stays higher, Jones would have to replace 1 of them. For me we'd lose a creative spark if that were to be Szobo (as bad as he can be).

The ideal scenario would be moving Jones on as early as Jan, and getting in someone like Ederson or Stiller/Millot.

Removed my “like” after you’ve added the last paragraph. Absolutely no way Jones will be sold in January and no need too - just play him in his best role and see whether he can win the competition or remain a squad player; both good options for us.
 
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