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The good thing we have in our [English] league is the competitive edge," Roberto Martinez said.

We dont want to make Wigan uncompetitive versus the best.

26.02.2011 PR Wigan Athletic 0-4 Manchester United
20.11.2010 PR Manchester United 2-0 Wigan Athletic
30.12.2009 PR Manchester United 5-0 Wigan Athletic
22.08.2009 PR Wigan Athletic 0-5 Manchester United
13.05.2009 PR Wigan Athletic 1-2 Manchester United
14.01.2009 PR Manchester United 1-0 Wigan Athletic
11.05.2008 PR Wigan Athletic 0-2 Manchester United
06.10.2007 PR Manchester United 4-0 Wigan Athletic
26.12.2006 PR Manchester United 3-1 Wigan Athletic
14.10.2006 PR Wigan Athletic 1-3 Manchester United
06.03.2006 PR Wigan Athletic 1-2 Manchester United
26.02.2006 LC Manchester United 4-0 Wigan Athletic
14.12.2005 PR Manchester United 4-0 Wigan Athletic


Around 38 goals conceded and 5 scored
 
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47157.msg1411605#msg1411605 date=1318514111]
Bruce Buck, the Glazers and Henry. The future of English Footy.

Fucking hell.


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I see your comment and raise you a...

Mike Ashley, Karen Brady, and yer man that sells dildos at West Ham.
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Don't forget Mr.Bates at Leeds , the club nobody knows who owns , that was then sold to Bates but he still doesn't know who he bought it from .
 
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The good thing we have in our [English] league is the competitive edge," Roberto Martinez said.

We dont want to make Wigan uncompetitive versus the best.

26.02.2011 PR Wigan Athletic 0-4 Manchester United
20.11.2010 PR Manchester United 2-0 Wigan Athletic
30.12.2009 PR Manchester United 5-0 Wigan Athletic
22.08.2009 PR Wigan Athletic 0-5 Manchester United
13.05.2009 PR Wigan Athletic 1-2 Manchester United
14.01.2009 PR Manchester United 1-0 Wigan Athletic
11.05.2008 PR Wigan Athletic 0-2 Manchester United
06.10.2007 PR Manchester United 4-0 Wigan Athletic
26.12.2006 PR Manchester United 3-1 Wigan Athletic
14.10.2006 PR Wigan Athletic 1-3 Manchester United
06.03.2006 PR Wigan Athletic 1-2 Manchester United
26.02.2006 LC Manchester United 4-0 Wigan Athletic
14.12.2005 PR Manchester United 4-0 Wigan Athletic


Around 38 goals conceded and 5 scored
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hahaha, indeed, and they are both picking up the same share of the pot from overseas TV rights.

regards
 
The bottom line is that we've ended up looking like massive cunts.

I wonder what the reasoning behind going public with these thoughts was.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=47157.msg1411967#msg1411967 date=1318597735]
The bottom line is that we've ended up looking like massive cunts.

I wonder what the reasoning behind going public with these thoughts was.
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Well, they said to raise the debate, which it did - for a day
Someone always has to be the unpopular one when change is raised, I think it's a fair argument.
It might look pretty dead in the water now, I bet this time next year there is a bit more support for it.

regards
 
I think Ayre (Henry and Werner) made those statements expecting a public backlash. But as Vlad pointed out somebody needed to put the idea out there. In the long run, even if Ayre is not expecting individual TV deals, I can see some concessions being made. For example, why shouldn't international TV revenues be split the same way as domestic TV revenues.

At one point wasn't lfc.tv the most visited sports website in the world? Maybe we want some concessions on live internet streaming rights which could be huge in the Asian market.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=47157.msg1411967#msg1411967 date=1318597735]
The bottom line is that we've ended up looking like massive cunts.

I wonder what the reasoning behind going public with these thoughts was.
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Well, they said to raise the debate, which it did - for a day
Someone always has to be the unpopular one when change is raised, I think it's a fair argument.
It might look pretty dead in the water now, I bet this time next year there is a bit more support for it.

regards
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I don't even think it's dead in the water for now. The Mancs and the Chavs might have got a cheap laugh at us out of it (though I again have to ask: why the f'ck would any Red care about what those tw@ts have to say?) but nobody except that exemplar of big British industry, Mr.Dave Whelan, and one or two posers in the media has made any real fuss, and I don't think that's an accident.
 
Ian Ayre today insisted that Liverpool Football Club weren't looking to sell their own overseas television rights.
Clarifying comments made earlier this week regarding the sale of Barclays Premier League overseas rights, the Liverpool Managing Director claimed the debate needs to be opened up but believes his comments were taken out of context in the media.

Ayre told LFC TV's Friday Night Live: "What I said, and what we were trying to put forward - the debate we've been trying to open up - isn't about Liverpool wanting to breakaway and sell their own rights. That is not in any way what we were trying to say.

"What we are trying to say is that at the moment, the way the rights are sold collectively is great. It generates a significant amount of revenue, more than any other league, and that is fantastic.

"However, the way those values that come in are distributed is an issue we believe.

"What a lot of fans maybe don't know is the UK rights - the domestic rights which are about half of the total - the way they're distributed is 50 per cent is shared equally and the other 50 per cent is shared on the basis of how many times you're on TV while the second half of that is distributed on the basis of where you finish in the league. That is a mechanism that rewards success and therefore the more successful, bigger clubs get a bigger share.

"But internationally, the other half of the money that comes in is just divided by 20. I don't think that's right and I think the bigger clubs have a bigger appeal overseas, they're playing in bigger competitions in Europe playing against bigger clubs that have bigger revenues.

"What we're trying to do - and what I was trying to do when somebody asked me the question - was just explain that I think that's an issue.

"The question I was asked was about the European ruling on illegal pay TV and I said that's an issue, for certain - but I think the distribution issue also needs a debate.

"It's unfortunate that it's snowballed into some ridiculous tirade of media that's suggested that we were trying to run off and damage the league. We're Liverpool Football Club, that's not our game.

"It's something I'd like to see debated and I'd like to see addressed."

Ayre admits he was disappointed with the manner in which his comments were reported in the media.

He added: "It was like a bland comment really. Somebody asked me the question and I said the whole media rights landscape is very important, it represents about 95 per cent of the revenue we get from the league every year - it's bigger than sponsorship and all of those things from the league.

"It's a very, very important part of every football club. Not just Liverpool or the big clubs - every club in the league, even the clubs in the lower leagues because of the parachute payment. It's a very, very important subject.

"What I said is that I think it needs to be addressed because I don't think the balance is right.

"What it turned into was a torrent of 'Liverpool are going to break away and damage the league'. Quite clearly, I never suggested that."
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Ayre clarifying his position there . Obviously the big 'problem' with the original interview was mentioning individual rights , once he that nobody really cared about anything else and went off on one . Surely the argument to divide the overseas money like done with domestic is valid and fair . You could argue it would further strengthen the competition all the way down the league as finishing places would matter even more ..although the negative to that could be weakening even further the cup comps but i guess we are already there .
 
yeah fair enough , he's shite .....and we've crap owners blah blah . Thank god we saved those "yanks out" banners .
 
Whilst I have some moral issues with the intention of the club & Ayre I don't think the original comments or these ones show poor anything TBH. They're doing their job by trying to maximise club revenues, & the more detailed explanation he has given doesnt paint him in any bad light really.
 
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan – says Liverpool's anti-competitive plan to undermine small clubs by fixing TV income in their favour is "scandalous … they won't get more money by killing the heart and soul of football … I'm so angry, I can't believe it. This is down to one word – greed. They take, take, take. They want more and more".

(2003: Whelan's JJB Sports fined £6.7m for using anti-competitive price-fixing of football shirts. "This ruling," said Whelan, "makes me wonder what's happened to British justice.&quot😉

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/15/said-and-done-david-hills
 
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