Big D vs Twitter

[StevieM]

I was very negative about his hair. About him attacking Syria, although admittedly he got that one right in retrospect. I was negative about his condemnation of the BLM rioters. About him allowing oil companies to put their grubby hands on the antarctic. Four things already off the top of my head. You're fake news.

Trump is likely to have you killed for the hair comment more than the others.

 

[Whaddapie]

About how many people voted for him. No he did not incite the attack, that's pure fantasy peddled by the fake news and democrats.



More fantasy peddled by the fake news. The point is most of those 80m think it was rigged, and so do many democrats. As you have seen quite a lot of them are violent, and plotted to assassinate the congressmen. Diffusing that anger by saying the burden of proof is on them so shut up, isn't going to diffuse it, it's going to inflame it. The burden was on the people who ought to have foreseen that they might end up getting killed, to prove the issue one way or another.

No, he got approx 74.2m votes.

And I'm sorry... I didn't realize that you're one of them. I wouldn't have wasted my time responding had I known that.

But I'll sign off here by saying that I just love your logic on the whole burden of proof thing... They just make this horseshit up, and it's on everybody else to prove them wrong?!?!? Merciful Jesus!

Prove to pig-ignorant people who are convinced that there is widespread fraud (there isn't), who will never be convinced that there wasn't widespread fraud (there wasn't), or it's not their fault that they'll storm the Capitol and murder people, but rather ours for not indulging in their treasonous fantasies?!?!? You cannot disprove that which they will believe, no matter what you show them to the contrary... Those people will never say "Oh, ok. Fair enough. I was was wrong. He lost."

Love that line of thought, though... "Hey, everybody!!! That bloke over there is killer and a rapist and a terrorist... I have not one credible iota of proof to back up my claims, and all people who don't share my 'anti-him' agenda repeatedly tell me that he is none of those things, but I'm just gonna keep saying it, over and over, and if he can't prove to my satisfaction that he isn't (which, because I will never not believe my own lies, is impossible), I must be right. Fuck me, this is gold.

 

[Whaddapie]

You can prove or disprove election fraud by counting some paper and plotting a few graphs of the data. It's a weeks work at most. Instead of just willingly going fine, sure, let's do this, one side put up the roadblocks and obstructed it with the help of the media. Now it is too late. Nothing will change the result. So that's why it's easy and justified to resort to violence and murder. Their own fault for irrationally refusing to count, as if the act of counting was some blasphemous act that would have seen the deaths of millions of children, that's how hard they fought against something so simple. Now they can die for all I care.

Wow. Just wow. Seriously.

 

[StevieM]

I think it’s called a logic loop - where Dantes finds himself.

I’ll leave other people to determine whether Dantes is adding the logic or the loopy bit.

 

[dantes]

No, he got approx 74.2m votes.

And I'm sorry... I didn't realize that you're one of them. I wouldn't have wasted my time responding had I known that.

But I'll sign off here by saying that I just love your logic on the whole burden of proof thing... They just make this horseshit up, and it's on everybody else to prove them wrong?!?!? Merciful Jesus!

Prove to pig-ignorant people who are convinced that there is widespread fraud (there isn't), who will never be convinced that there wasn't widespread fraud (there wasn't), or it's not their fault that they'll storm the Capitol and murder people, but rather ours for not indulging in their treasonous fantasies?!?!? You cannot disprove that which they will believe, no matter what you show them to the contrary... Those people will never say "Oh, ok. Fair enough. I was was wrong. He lost."

Love that line of thought, though... "Hey, everybody!!! That bloke over there is killer and a rapist and a terrorist... I have not one credible iota of proof to back up my claims, and all people who don't share my 'anti-him' agenda repeatedly tell me that he is none of those things, but I'm just gonna keep saying it, over and over, and if he can't prove to my satisfaction that he isn't (which, because I will never not believe my own lies, is impossible), I must be right. Fuck me, this is gold.

I can't be arsed, there's so much delusional nonsense you've pulled out of your arse and pretending that I said it or implied it. You lack the ability to think objectively on this.

 

[Frogfish]

About how many people voted for him. No he did not incite the attack, that's pure fantasy peddled by the fake news and democrats.

And those Republicans who voted for impeachment in the House and the (so far) minimum of 11 ( Inc. Mitch.M.) Republicans who have indicated they will vote against Trump in the senate.

If they can see it then it beggars belief you can't.

 

[Frogfish]

More fantasy peddled by the fake news. The point is most of those 80m think it was rigged, and so do many democrats.

Err no. Surveys show only around 75% of republican voters think that (led by rhetoric not even a jot of proof despite millions spent) and a statistically insignificant handful of democrats.

Dantes pedaling fake news again shocker.

 

[StevieM]

And those Republicans who voted for impeachment in the House and the (so far) minimum of 11 ( Inc. Mitch.M.) Republicans who have indicated they will vote against Trump in the senate.

If they can see it then it beggars belief you can't.

No doubt Dantes position is if Trump didn’t say “go up to the Capitol and smash it up” then how can he be responsible for the actions of the crowd.

You can’t watch what he’s been doing and saying at his rallies and not form a view Trump knew exactly what he was stirring up. As has been said - he managed to get his son and Rudi to say the more inflammatory stuff - but if you’re constantly wiping up crowds into a frenzy and talking about “fighting” and “stopping the steal” - it’s pretty obvious the mob aren’t heading to the Capitol to light candles and sing “We shall overcome”.

There were reports that Trump was watching it all unfold on TV, loving it, and lashing out at anyone round him that wasn’t enjoying it as much as he was.

He’s the architect of his own downfall.

 

[The Nomad]

And those Republicans who voted for impeachment in the House and the (so far) minimum of 11 ( Inc. Mitch.M.) Republicans who have indicated they will vote against Trump in the senate.

If they can see it then it beggars belief you can't.

Moscow Mitch hasn't decided which way he'll vote.

If he votes for impeachment, more you would think would follow.

The senate seems very split and fractured.

 

[dantes]

And those Republicans who voted for impeachment in the House and the (so far) minimum of 11 ( Inc. Mitch.M.) Republicans who have indicated they will vote against Trump in the senate.

If they can see it then it beggars belief you can't.

The others who don't see it, yeah we have to pretend they don't exist for your point to hold up.

 

[dantes]

No doubt Dantes position is if Trump didn’t say “go up to the Capitol and smash it up” then how can he be responsible for the actions of the crowd.

You can’t watch what he’s been doing and saying at his rallies and not form a view Trump knew exactly what he was stirring up. As has been said - he managed to get his son and Rudi to say the more inflammatory stuff - but if you’re constantly wiping up crowds into a frenzy and talking about “fighting” and “stopping the steal” - it’s pretty obvious the mob aren’t heading to the Capitol to light candles and sing “We shall overcome”.

There were reports that Trump was watching it all unfold on TV, loving it, and lashing out at anyone round him that wasn’t enjoying it as much as he was.

He’s the architect of his own downfall.

Oh so you have to use a new meaning of inciting violence so that it fits what trump did. So go back and apply this meaning to the BLM violence, and see if you can figure out who "incited" that violence without sounding like a racist lunatic...

 

[dantes]

Err no. Surveys show only around 75% of republican voters think that (led by rhetoric not even a jot of proof despite millions spent) and a statistically insignificant handful of democrats.

Dantes pedaling fake news again shocker.

So you confirmed what I said was correct, didn't like it, and think prefixing the word "only" in front of 75% will differentiate it from what I said. Good job.

 

[Woland]

What proof have you got of that?

The onus is on you. You have none

 

[Frogfish]

The others who don't see it, yeah we have to pretend they don't exist for your point to hold up.

You know as well as I do most Republicans think the same. They just haven't decided which way best serves their political aspirations.

 

[Frogfish]

So you confirmed what I said was correct, didn't like it, and think prefixing the word "only" in front of 75% will differentiate it from what I said. Good job.

Dantes deflects from facts again shocker!

 

[dantes]

You know as well as I do most Republicans think the same. They just haven't decided which way best serves their political aspirations.

Oh so the ones who will vote with trump are serving their political aspirations. The ones who will vote against him are serving the people. Got it.

 

[dantes]

The onus is on you. You have none

So people should not hold or at least should not act upon their beliefs unless they have proven them to be true. Got it. If you could tell the black people who hold the belief that the police are racist to all kindly shut the fuck up, that'd be good, cheers.

 

[Woland]

Stop being a wank job.

 

[dantes]

Stop being a wank job.

Oh so if it's a belief that you share, then that's fine and only a wank job would question it. It's only the beliefs you don't hold that require proof. Got it.

 

[Woland]

Stop being a wank job.

 

[dantes]

It will be of great comfort to the people who get killed, that the wank jobs who are chainsawing their heads off have no proof to support their belief.

 

[Woland]

Stop being a wank job.

 

[Frogfish]

Oh so the ones who will vote with trump are serving their political aspirations. The ones who will vote against him are serving the people. Got it.

You think it's that simplistic. You do surprise me.

 

[Whaddapie]

Can everybody please simply stop engaging with anybody who believes (or pretends to) that that repellant, festering skin-suit didn't incite the mob because he didn't actually say the words "...and wreck the gaff and kill people!" at the end of his sentence that Wednesday morning, or who believes (or pretends to) that Black people are NOT living in fear of being murdered by a racist police force every day of their lives over here... Just stop - It's like feeding a fire oxygen.

 

[Whaddapie]

You see I've always hated politics because: 1) Listen to politicians speak. 2) There doesn't ever seem to be a middle ground, where people can see the negatives of the side they favor, and the positives in the other side.
We pick the worst excesses of the other side and paint that as the general picture. And - of course, hearing your side painted in a hateful light doesn't engender a positive response. Social media (and the lack of a responsible public media) makes it all so much worse. Hatred becomes the norm.

I only hate neo-nazis, mate. I can respectfully disagree with just about any other demographic, but if you're only about lies and violence and bigotry and maintaining power despite the people deciding otherwise, fuck that... I don't care to hear that side's point.

 

[dantes]

Can everybody please simply stop engaging with anybody who believes (or pretends to) that that repellant, festering skin-suit didn't incite the mob because he didn't actually say the words "...and wreck the gaff and kill people!" at the end of his sentence that Wednesday morning, or who believes (or pretends to) that Black people are NOT living in fear of being murdered by a racist police force every day of their lives over here... Just stop - It's like feeding a fire oxygen.

There's nothing for it but to load up my simulation of Brendan's brain.

No, you galactically stupid idiot. Put your headwand down for a second. You, not me, you blathered on about some moral outrage at the capitol riots being compared to the BLM riots, because you, not me, you were chomping at the bit to make a point about one case being just and the other not. Fine. I, to my regret now, attempted to explain that the cause wasn't being compared, only the violence. This doesn't seem to have entered into your head, and you've continued to blather on about BLM and 80 million racists or nazi's, and racist police, all because you're incapable of listening or reading.

 

[Whaddapie]

There's nothing for it but to load up my simulation of Brendan's brain.

No, you galactically stupid idiot. Put your headwand down for a second. You, not me, you blathered on about some moral outrage at the capitol riots being compared to the BLM riots, because you, not me, you were chomping at the bit to make a point about one case being just and the other not. Fine. I, to my regret now, attempted to explain that the cause wasn't being compared, only the violence. This doesn't seem to have entered into your head, and you've continued to blather on about BLM and 80 million racists or nazi's, and racist police, all because you're incapable of listening or reading.

Oh look everybody... Another Trump supporter resorting to horrible, personal insults when somebody refuses to listen to their 'side', but rather points out the (endless) folly in their 'argument'. How very sad and wholly predictable.

 

[dantes]

Oh look everybody... Another Trump supporter resorting to horrible, personal insults when somebody refuses to listen to their 'side', but rather points out the (endless) folly in their 'argument'. How very sad and wholly predictable.

You've absolutely no idea what I was even saying to you, quite incredible. Unfortunately I can't be arsed wasting time explaining things to people I think are stupid, so that's that.

 

[Whaddapie]

You've absolutely no idea what I was even saying to you, quite incredible. Unfortunately I can't be arsed wasting time explaining things to people I think are stupid, so that's that.

The wonderful irony here is that, coming from somebody who behaves as you do, I wear these insuIts like a badge of honour... The more you react like this, hurling abuse at every opportunity, doubling down on words and numbers and fallacies that are repeatedly disproven (once again, it was 74.2m, NOT 80m that voted for him) - as you all do - the more I know I'm right to feel as I do.

And, for the record, I have understood every word that you've said to me. I can also read the intent and the mindset behind those words. You just don't like being called out, and so you react as you do. You call me stupid - repeatedly - but we both know that I'm not... You're just upset that I see you. That's all.

I'm done now. I'll not be engaging again, no matter what you retort with... Have the last word, insult me some more. I'll bet you cannot resist.

 

[jon545660]

Today: "Officers in Washington DC arrested a Virginia man who tried to pass through a Capitol police checkpoint carrying fake inaugural credentials, a loaded handgun and more than 500 rounds of ammunition."

Yea, shits going to kickoff again on Wednesday for sure.