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I'm not talking about the sinister shadow motives and the conspiracies behind it that you've no doubt uncovered... I'm on about the broad general message that most people would associate with it - equality for black people.
As opposed to cultist fascination for Trump, guns, 'Murica, Jesus, Qanon and building walls to get the brown people out that most people broadly associate with those who stormed the capital.
They can't be called sinister shadow motives when they've been publicly declared by the BLM leaders.
If you want to pretend it's only about countering racial injustice by all means fall for the PR and ignore the group itself.
I don't deny that there might be more questionable motives beneath the surface... I'm talking about what the majority of people think when they see the BLM protests on the news versus the the Qanon crowd. That will explain the difference in how they're treated and perceived - the overt messages from either side. One to the casual observer - and most are casual - is a campaign to achieve equality. The other, is a bunch of fanatics following one of the biggest megalomaniacs of the modern era. Whether that is the truth or not doesn't matter, it's what people see.
I actually believe that identity politics is going too far. See, I can have a nuanced, reasoned debate, and not oscillate wildly between black and white, one side polarised against the other. I can see the flaws and the negatives on both sides, just as I can see the legitimate gripes of both parties.
That's how we solve these issues - discourse and meeting in the middle and compromising and listening. It's also why it will never be solved because it's human nature to dig in and get tribal and defend your pre-established point of view no matter what.
There's no comparison
The violence is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that he tried to overthrow the elected government, which is treason and a capital offence.
Cancel culture doesn't exist.
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President Donald Trump is reportedly taking out his frustrations on his personal attorney and longtime friend, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
And he’s doing it in the classic Trump fashion: by refusing to pay him.
The Washington Post said Trump is trying to stiff Giuliani, who has spent the past months traveling the country and spreading wild conspiracy theories about the November election on behalf of the president.
Citing two unnamed officials, the newspaper said Trump has not only refused to pay Giuliani’s legal fees but has told aides that all reimbursement requests for travel and other expenses need to go through him.
The Post said Trump was unhappy with Giuliani’s demand for $20,000 a day in fees and “has privately expressed concern” with some of his attorney’s moves.
The former mayor last year denied seeking that specific amount, claiming a much more unusual fee structure instead.
“I never asked for $20,000,” he told The New York Times in November. “The arrangement is we’ll work it out at the end.”
The Times on Wednesday confirmed the latest Post report, adding that White House officials were blocking Giuliani’s calls to Trump.
And he’s doing it in the classic Trump fashion: by refusing to pay him.
The Washington Post said Trump is trying to stiff Giuliani, who has spent the past months traveling the country and spreading wild conspiracy theories about the November election on behalf of the president.
Citing two unnamed officials, the newspaper said Trump has not only refused to pay Giuliani’s legal fees but has told aides that all reimbursement requests for travel and other expenses need to go through him.
The Post said Trump was unhappy with Giuliani’s demand for $20,000 a day in fees and “has privately expressed concern” with some of his attorney’s moves.
The former mayor last year denied seeking that specific amount, claiming a much more unusual fee structure instead.
“I never asked for $20,000,” he told The New York Times in November. “The arrangement is we’ll work it out at the end.”
The Times on Wednesday confirmed the latest Post report, adding that White House officials were blocking Giuliani’s calls to Trump.
Antifa all right... With each day we’re learning how much more serious and premeditated this was than it initially looked. Even the cute Q shaman is far from a harmless organic food-eating, Trump-worshipping idiot, as it turns out. That no elected official was murdered that day was an incredible stroke of luck. And had one of the bombs gone off, we’d have casualties in the dozens.
To think that there are quite a few American-born Muslim kids doing minimum 20-30 year sentences for vague plans to “attack” the US when these plans didn’t progress past sharing their fantasies with the FBI informant and maybe buying a gun or materials for an explosive with the FBI agent’s guidance. These guys had the guns, the explosives, maps of the Capitol with locations of each target, recorded themselves making explicit threats to public officials and actually broke through to the Capitol and killed a policeman. And the threat is ongoing.
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You are not as nuanced as you believe you are. Half the population think the election was rigged, not a fringe Q element, and they don't view the protest as treason or an insurrection at all.
Be careful trying to enter into a debate on race equality with Ross and Dantes!
It's false equivalency. And this is what I can't personally stand when it comes to Rosco and people like him. They completely lack empathy for others and are all too happy to accept false equivalency when it suits their narrative, but are all too capable of pointing out such hypocrisy when it doesn't. I can only think it comes from a place of insecurity. If others are treated better, that must mean I am being treated worse. They really believe that they're the ones that are the victims of mistreatment here. I find it quite remarkable really.
I notice what is NOT written on that list is:
BLM - Protesting a centuries worth of inequality, lynchings and mistreatment sparked by the murder of a black man on live TV.
Trumpeteers- Protesting a democratically elected Presidential vote sparked by perceived voted fraud from a man (Trump) who has been getting in the excuses early from 2016, and has never won the popular vote in his country.
OR
BLM - Met with armed resistance, guns, the national guard and the same police that they believe is responsible for enforcing many years of their mistreatment.
Trumpeteers - Met with a police force who laid out the red carpet for them and wanted to take selfies.
OR
BLM - Any black person armed during the protest was labelled a criminal and a threat.
Trumpeteers - Any white person armed during the protest was exercising their second amendment rights.
OR
BLM - The message (mistreatment/unfairness) and a movement (defund police etc) conflated and rolled into one.
Trumpeteers - The message (voter fraud) and a movement (QAnon etc) separated.
OR
BLM - Non-treasonous protest.
Trumpeteers - Treasonous protest.
OR
BLM - Message from the President. No empathy. We must have "Law and order", they're "A symbol of hate",
Trumpeteers - Message from the President. Complete empathy. "Well, I understand their anger".
OR
BLM - Every black person who was seen to be creating anarchy or looting automatically considered to be part of "BLM", because well they're all black, innit.
Trumpeteers - Every white person who was seen to be creating anarchy or looting is considered to be part of "Antifa" and it's all a conspiracy theory to make Trumpeteers look bad.
OR
BLM - Colin Kapernick kneeling is an example peaceful protest here. Let's try that.
Trumpeteers - Colin Kapernick is "a son of bitch". Kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to our military and armed services. Fire him.
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The problem is it is not a debate. It's their incomes, their health, feeding their kids that is at stake. When the economy gets outsourced to China under Biden, if you think it won't be black people who are disproportionately sacked off then you're living in a delusion. I think that will matter more to them than you telling them their lives matter like a patronising cunt.
Dantes is a madman. I can't make heads or tails of anything he says. In the grander scheme of things, he's no threat. At least he speaks his mind. Even if it doesn't make sense half the time.
Rosco, is more dangerous. He's smart enough to know better in my opinion but he can't look beyond his own personal interests to see that other's actually have more legitimate gripes for their protests.
Fox, One News, whoever have really conditioned him into thinking that they are the minority here who are suffering from a pro-liberal, left wing marxist socialist agenda who are looking to wipe all white people out.
When those same people are white, and are the same people who they claim are NOT helping black people in any way, except for listening to our gripes and doing nothing about it.
If Trump and the Republicans really want to make in roads into the black vote, they really should start by listening to what black folk are saying out there. But then, unfortunately for them, that wouldn't play too well to their "base" who seem to revel in the mistreatment of black folk. So they're in a bit of a catch 22. They want the black vote, without doing anything specifically (or openly) to readdress any balance for black people, because it would be seen as favouritism/mistreatment of white people with their fringe base.
This might be true. But it's the same with Republicans. Black people will be first out the door.
So I'm not sure what you're arguing here.
You must be delighted that Biden’s just announced money going directly to people to help them through the pandemic, so as they can make their only financial choices - presume you’re asking why the current President didn’t do it sooner.
That under Trump, the likelihood of them losing their jobs is tiny, but under Biden it is inevitable.
Lol the famous magic money tree. Behold the glorious fruits:
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When measured solely by income levels, some 96 percent of the population lives in poverty, a figure unmatched elsewhere in the region and comparable to poor African countries like Nigeria or Chad, the ENCOVI survey found. “There is no wealth to distribute,” said Pedro Luis Espana, a UCAB sociologist who contributed to the study. “The rise in poverty in Venezuela does not have to do with inequality. The problem has been the abrupt fall in economic output.” Venezuela’s information ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the findings.
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About 80% of what you posted was wrong, but let's just focus on the most wrong one here.
The Capitol protestors have been labelled domestic terrorists.
Is there any evidence that this was actually the case ?
Do you honestly think the government would have been overthrown had a few buttons gotten to the Senators ?
Sure. Why not? It's happened in plenty of big budget movies.
The difficulty here is you think the casual observer's views are correct and should frame the debate.
The reality is that is dangerous and ignorant.
If you came on here and said we should all be supporting Campaign Zero, I'd say absolutely. They're an organisation that is moving in a very smart way to create actual change that could solve the issue of police brutality.
There are about 40 other organisations that you could do the same with.
But if you try to tell me that BLM are only about what idiots think it's about and that should colour your view of them is insane. They actually have convicted terrorists in their organisation (one who blew up the Capitol building!) They are pushing a much more radical agenda and have fooled a lot of people into backing it because the casual observer doesn't look at it properly.
Yes. By the left wing media. Same as how the right wing media labelled BLM domestic terrorists (I watch Fox News when I want to see both sides).
Anyways, your first paragraph basically means we are dealing from a different sheets of facts so there's actually little point of continuing any discourse here.
We are living in 2 different worlds. Yours appears to be very black and white. You've made up your mind on the world around you, and I'm not the person that cares enough to want to change it.
Without empathy from folk like yourself, the world will continue to be divided.
Dantes long before things come to pass:
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Excellent post.
And why I have more time for those on the left in these debate. They're much more open to listening, showing empathy and changing their minds.
Right wing sympathisers dig their heels in and see it as a sign of weakness to listen or change their minds. They're always right and to hell with your POV.
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