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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094516#msg1094516 date=1272437674]
Don't you think Capello will pick Rooney on his own upfront? I would, after watching him do it for Man Utd all season. It's true that England don't have a decent replacement for him though.
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I'd be surprised if he did. We've tried Rooney up front on his own for England before and it wasn't particularly successful. He's grown as a player since then, sure, but United are simply much better at supporting him than Engand are and international sides are better defensively than a lot of the Premiership dross he's destroyed on his own this season.

The problem this leaves us with is that we will try and fit Gerrard and Lampard into the midfield unbalancing it in the process and then partner some average striker with Rooney. So neither of our attacking units will be functioning quite as well as they might.
[/quote]

Exactly. That's another reason why he should play Rooney on his own. Gives us more balance and allows more of our best players to play in their natural positions. Like this...

James/Green/whoever

Magic - Cunt1 - Cunt2 - Cashley

Gerrard - Barry

Lennon - Lampard - J. Cole

Rooney
 
I'd go with that Bunst. But I'd probably rather see gerrard in the attacking 3 than joe cole. Maybe Carrick next to Barry. Or awesome of awesomeness Hargreaves gets fit plays the last 3 games for the mancs and sneakes in.
Good player Hargreaves.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39961.msg1094961#msg1094961 date=1272477316]
Could anyone after the long list just add their name to it?
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8)
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39961.msg1094930#msg1094930 date=1272470702]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39961.msg1094914#msg1094914 date=1272468849]
Pesam - Argentina
Fabio - Argentina
ILD - Brazil
Herr onceared - Brazil
Spiderneil - Brazil
Modokay - Spain
Roopy - Australia
Doped White Mouse - Italy
Doc Mac - Spain
FFF - Spain
Bunst - Spain
Positive one - England
Bob Dobalina - Germany
The Faster blade - Brazil
Livvy - England
Spion - England
Piedro - France
Molbystwin - Spain
Buddha - Italy
KHL - France
Stu - England
Dirty Sanchez - England
Peter Hague - Spain
Larry Hagman - Brazil
Slugsy - Sotoris
Ambercabs - Brazil
Gene - France
Fox - England
Igotalovelybunch - Brazil
Vlad - Argentina
Vantage - Spain
Ryan - Spain
DHSC - England
Judge Jules - Brazil
Nessie - Spain
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But Oncy you love making lists, add my name on, you'll enjoy it.

Brazil. But the fact they've got a tough route makes me doubt myself.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=39961.msg1094923#msg1094923 date=1272470070]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094516#msg1094516 date=1272437674]
Don't you think Capello will pick Rooney on his own upfront? I would, after watching him do it for Man Utd all season. It's true that England don't have a decent replacement for him though.
[/quote]

I'd be surprised if he did. We've tried Rooney up front on his own for England before and it wasn't particularly successful. He's grown as a player since then, sure, but United are simply much better at supporting him than Engand are and international sides are better defensively than a lot of the Premiership dross he's destroyed on his own this season.

The problem this leaves us with is that we will try and fit Gerrard and Lampard into the midfield unbalancing it in the process and then partner some average striker with Rooney. So neither of our attacking units will be functioning quite as well as they might.
[/quote]

Exactly. That's another reason why he should play Rooney on his own. Gives us more balance and allows more of our best players to play in their natural positions. Like this...

James/Green/whoever

Magic - Cunt1 - Cunt2 - Cashley

Gerrard - Barry

Lennon - Lampard - J. Cole

Rooney


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What do you think the chances are of Capello picking a team like that to start at the World Cup Bunny?
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=39961.msg1095152#msg1095152 date=1272488570]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39961.msg1094930#msg1094930 date=1272470702]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39961.msg1094914#msg1094914 date=1272468849]
Pesam - Argentina
Fabio - Argentina
ILD - Brazil
Herr onceared - Brazil
Spiderneil - Brazil
Modokay - Spain
Roopy - Australia
Doped White Mouse - Italy
Doc Mac - Spain
FFF - Spain
Bunst - Spain
Positive one - England
Bob Dobalina - Germany
The Faster blade - Brazil
Livvy - England
Spion - England
Piedro - France
Molbystwin - Spain
Buddha - Italy
KHL - France
Stu - England
Dirty Sanchez - England
Peter Hague - Spain
Larry Hagman - Brazil
Slugsy - Sotoris
Ambercabs - Brazil
Gene - France
Fox - England
Igotalovelybunch - Brazil
Vlad - Argentina
Vantage - Spain
Ryan - Spain
DHSC - England
Judge Jules - Brazil
Nessie - Spain
Irishred - Netherlands
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095351#msg1095351 date=1272499808]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094964#msg1094964 date=1272477642]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39961.msg1094923#msg1094923 date=1272470070]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094516#msg1094516 date=1272437674]
Don't you think Capello will pick Rooney on his own upfront? I would, after watching him do it for Man Utd all season. It's true that England don't have a decent replacement for him though.
[/quote]

I'd be surprised if he did. We've tried Rooney up front on his own for England before and it wasn't particularly successful. He's grown as a player since then, sure, but United are simply much better at supporting him than Engand are and international sides are better defensively than a lot of the Premiership dross he's destroyed on his own this season.

The problem this leaves us with is that we will try and fit Gerrard and Lampard into the midfield unbalancing it in the process and then partner some average striker with Rooney. So neither of our attacking units will be functioning quite as well as they might.
[/quote]

Exactly. That's another reason why he should play Rooney on his own. Gives us more balance and allows more of our best players to play in their natural positions. Like this...

James/Green/whoever

Magic - Cunt1 - Cunt2 - Cashley

Gerrard - Barry

Lennon - Lampard - J. Cole

Rooney


[/quote]

What do you think the chances are of Capello picking a team like that to start at the World Cup Bunny?
[/quote]

Pretty good, I'd have thought. He's an intelligent man.

Plus he knows that hardly ANYONE these days plays with two strikers.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1095445#msg1095445 date=1272525110]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095351#msg1095351 date=1272499808]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094964#msg1094964 date=1272477642]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39961.msg1094923#msg1094923 date=1272470070]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094516#msg1094516 date=1272437674]
Don't you think Capello will pick Rooney on his own upfront? I would, after watching him do it for Man Utd all season. It's true that England don't have a decent replacement for him though.
[/quote]

I'd be surprised if he did. We've tried Rooney up front on his own for England before and it wasn't particularly successful. He's grown as a player since then, sure, but United are simply much better at supporting him than Engand are and international sides are better defensively than a lot of the Premiership dross he's destroyed on his own this season.

The problem this leaves us with is that we will try and fit Gerrard and Lampard into the midfield unbalancing it in the process and then partner some average striker with Rooney. So neither of our attacking units will be functioning quite as well as they might.
[/quote]

Exactly. That's another reason why he should play Rooney on his own. Gives us more balance and allows more of our best players to play in their natural positions. Like this...

James/Green/whoever

Magic - Cunt1 - Cunt2 - Cashley

Gerrard - Barry

Lennon - Lampard - J. Cole

Rooney


[/quote]

What do you think the chances are of Capello picking a team like that to start at the World Cup Bunny?
[/quote]

Pretty good, I'd have thought. He's an intelligent man.

Plus he knows that hardly ANYONE these days plays with two strikers.

[/quote]

Bet you any money in the World he doesn't start with that team.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095446#msg1095446 date=1272525187]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1095445#msg1095445 date=1272525110]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095351#msg1095351 date=1272499808]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094964#msg1094964 date=1272477642]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39961.msg1094923#msg1094923 date=1272470070]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094516#msg1094516 date=1272437674]
Don't you think Capello will pick Rooney on his own upfront? I would, after watching him do it for Man Utd all season. It's true that England don't have a decent replacement for him though.
[/quote]

I'd be surprised if he did. We've tried Rooney up front on his own for England before and it wasn't particularly successful. He's grown as a player since then, sure, but United are simply much better at supporting him than Engand are and international sides are better defensively than a lot of the Premiership dross he's destroyed on his own this season.

The problem this leaves us with is that we will try and fit Gerrard and Lampard into the midfield unbalancing it in the process and then partner some average striker with Rooney. So neither of our attacking units will be functioning quite as well as they might.
[/quote]

Exactly. That's another reason why he should play Rooney on his own. Gives us more balance and allows more of our best players to play in their natural positions. Like this...

James/Green/whoever

Magic - Cunt1 - Cunt2 - Cashley

Gerrard - Barry

Lennon - Lampard - J. Cole

Rooney


[/quote]

What do you think the chances are of Capello picking a team like that to start at the World Cup Bunny?
[/quote]

Pretty good, I'd have thought. He's an intelligent man.

Plus he knows that hardly ANYONE these days plays with two strikers.

[/quote]

Bet you any money in the World he doesn't start with that team.
[/quote]

You're basing this purely on the teams he's selected in the past. He's just spent the whole season watching Rooney play the best football of his life as a no9. I honestly think if Capello doesn't put him on his own upfront (assuming Rooney's fit), then he's not the manager he's cracked up to be.

I'm not going to bet on it though because I'm too poor to risk losing anything other than my honour.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1095454#msg1095454 date=1272525748]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095446#msg1095446 date=1272525187]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1095445#msg1095445 date=1272525110]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095351#msg1095351 date=1272499808]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094964#msg1094964 date=1272477642]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39961.msg1094923#msg1094923 date=1272470070]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1094516#msg1094516 date=1272437674]
Don't you think Capello will pick Rooney on his own upfront? I would, after watching him do it for Man Utd all season. It's true that England don't have a decent replacement for him though.
[/quote]

I'd be surprised if he did. We've tried Rooney up front on his own for England before and it wasn't particularly successful. He's grown as a player since then, sure, but United are simply much better at supporting him than Engand are and international sides are better defensively than a lot of the Premiership dross he's destroyed on his own this season.

The problem this leaves us with is that we will try and fit Gerrard and Lampard into the midfield unbalancing it in the process and then partner some average striker with Rooney. So neither of our attacking units will be functioning quite as well as they might.
[/quote]

Exactly. That's another reason why he should play Rooney on his own. Gives us more balance and allows more of our best players to play in their natural positions. Like this...

James/Green/whoever

Magic - Cunt1 - Cunt2 - Cashley

Gerrard - Barry

Lennon - Lampard - J. Cole

Rooney


[/quote]

What do you think the chances are of Capello picking a team like that to start at the World Cup Bunny?
[/quote]

Pretty good, I'd have thought. He's an intelligent man.

Plus he knows that hardly ANYONE these days plays with two strikers.

[/quote]

Bet you any money in the World he doesn't start with that team.
[/quote]

You're basing this purely on the teams he's selected in the past. He's just spent the whole season watching Rooney play the best football of his life as a no9. I honestly think if Capello doesn't put him on his own upfront (assuming Rooney's fit), then he's not the manager he's cracked up to be.

[/quote]

What if he picks Heskey and Rooney togethor and it succeeds? Will you still have no respect for his managerial nous?
 
Of course I will. I just don't believe it will succeed. I can see the team I posted playing in a World Cup Final. I can't see Heskey doing that.

Why are you even defending what is basically a 442 when according to you, that system is totally outdated?
 
Well, it's not strictly a 4-4-2. It's a 4-6-0 when they're defending, and becomes a flexible 4-1-4-1 when they're attacking. But anyway, I'm defending it because it works for England.
 
Irishred, we can all see the attacking talent of The Netherlands, Sneijder, Van Persie, Robben etc but can you honestly say their defence is good enough to win the world cup? Can you even name their defence? Probably Ooijer who is an average players at best and 3 LESSER known (but equally average) players! Quarter finals at best I reckon.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095461#msg1095461 date=1272526459]
Well, it's not strictly a 4-4-2. It's a 4-6-0 when they're defending, and becomes a flexible 4-1-4-1 when they're attacking. But anyway, I'm defending it because it works for England.
[/quote]

It's worked for England in qualifying matches. Have they ever beaten any of the world's best teams with Heskey up front, under Capello? The solution I've proposed would mean playing one of the best centre-forwards in the world AS A CENTRE-FORWARD, rather than using him behind a player whose scoring record for England is less impressive than John Fucking Terry's. It would also mean not having to shove Gerrard out to the left. It would admittedly detract from our ability to hoof the ball up to the big man and hope for knockdowns, but I can't believe that's really Capello's Plan A for this World Cup.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1095487#msg1095487 date=1272531523]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095461#msg1095461 date=1272526459]
Well, it's not strictly a 4-4-2. It's a 4-6-0 when they're defending, and becomes a flexible 4-1-4-1 when they're attacking. But anyway, I'm defending it because it works for England.
[/quote]

It's worked for England in qualifying matches. Have they ever beaten any of the world's best teams with Heskey up front, under Capello? The solution I've proposed would mean playing one of the best centre-forwards in the world AS A CENTRE-FORWARD, rather than using him behind a player whose scoring record for England is less impressive than John Fucking Terry's. It would also mean not having to shove Gerrard out to the left. It would admittedly detract from our ability to hoof the ball up to the big man and hope for knockdowns, but I can't believe that's really Capello's Plan A for this World Cup.


[/quote]

To coin a phrase. 😉
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39961.msg1095487#msg1095487 date=1272531523]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39961.msg1095461#msg1095461 date=1272526459]
Well, it's not strictly a 4-4-2. It's a 4-6-0 when they're defending, and becomes a flexible 4-1-4-1 when they're attacking. But anyway, I'm defending it because it works for England.
[/quote]

It's worked for England in qualifying matches. Have they ever beaten any of the world's best teams with Heskey up front, under Capello? The solution I've proposed would mean playing one of the best centre-forwards in the world AS A CENTRE-FORWARD, rather than using him behind a player whose scoring record for England is less impressive than John Fucking Terry's. It would also mean not having to shove Gerrard out to the left. It would admittedly detract from our ability to hoof the ball up to the big man and hope for knockdowns, but I can't believe that's really Capello's Plan A for this World Cup.


[/quote]I agree totally. I'll go with whatever Fabio picks, because he's fucking Midas, but I'd much prefer to see Rooney play up front.
When he won the league with Roma he played Batistuta as the out and out striker, at Juventus it was Trezeguet at Madrid Ruud. He certainly doesn't seem to have an aversion to playing attacking players who get goals in attack.
He's one of the best managers in the world, and if he can unlock (finally) Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney we really could win the world cup.

I like your formation, but if that's seen as too big a risk then stick in a second dm (one who can pass) and move Gerrard out to the left with a front 4 of Lampard, Gerrard, Lennon and Rooney. All 4 of them work their socks off anyway so they won't allow the opposition to run riot.
It's pretty exciting all this.
 
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=39961.msg1095465#msg1095465 date=1272526699]
Irishred, we can all see the attacking talent of The Netherlands, Sneijder, Van Persie, Robben etc but can you honestly say their defence is good enough to win the world cup? Can you even name their defence? Probably Ooijer who is an average players at best and 3 LESSER known (but equally average) players! Quarter finals at best I reckon.
[/quote]
Boulahrouz and Van den Kockhalen

(The last one I made up in lack of better alternatives).
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39961.msg1094914#msg1094914 date=1272468849]
Pesam - Argentina
Fabio - Argentina
ILD - Brazil
Herr onceared - Brazil
Spiderneil - Brazil
Modokay - Spain
Roopy - Australia
Doped White Mouse - Italy
Doc Mac - Spain
FFF - Spain
Bunst - Spain
Positive one - England
Bob Dobalina - Germany
The Faster blade - Brazil
Livvy - England
Spion - England
Piedro - France
Molbystwin - Spain
Buddha - Italy
KHL - France
Stu - England
Dirty Sanchez - England
Peter Hague - Spain
Larry Hagman - Brazil
Slugsy - Sotoris
Ambercabs - Brazil
Gene - France
Fox - England
Igotalovelybunch - Brazil
Vlad - Argentina
Vantage - Spain
Ryan - Spain
DHSC - England
Judge Jules - Brazil
Rafa4PM - Argentina
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39961.msg1094930#msg1094930 date=1272470702]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39961.msg1094914#msg1094914 date=1272468849]
Pesam - Argentina
Fabio - Argentina
ILD - Brazil
Herr onceared - Brazil
Spiderneil - Brazil
Modokay - Spain
Roopy - Australia
Doped White Mouse - Italy
Doc Mac - Spain
FFF - Spain
Bunst - Spain
Positive one - England
Bob Dobalina - Germany
The Faster blade - Brazil
Livvy - England
Spion - England
Piedro - France
Molbystwin - Spain
Buddha - Italy
KHL - France
Stu - England
Dirty Sanchez - England
Peter Hague - Spain
Larry Hagman - Brazil
Slugsy - Sotoris
Ambercabs - Brazil
Gene - France
Fox - England
Igotalovelybunch - Brazil
Vlad - Argentina
Vantage - Spain
Ryan - Spain
DHSC - England
Judge Jules - Brazil
Rafa4PM - Argentina
Halmeister - Brazil
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=39961.msg1095465#msg1095465 date=1272526699]
Irishred, we can all see the attacking talent of The Netherlands, Sneijder, Van Persie, Robben etc but can you honestly say their defence is good enough to win the world cup? Can you even name their defence? Probably Ooijer who is an average players at best and 3 LESSER known (but equally average) players! Quarter finals at best I reckon.
[/quote]


Although I agree their defence isn't well-known (Heitinga/Wiel, Ooijer, Mathijsen, Van Bronkhorst 😀), they've only conceded two in the qualifiers and once in their last six games, probably more due to the midfield rear guard of De Jong and Van Bommel.

They have a team containing some of the most inform players in europe, as you've mentioned (I would include Van Bommel also). The squad are a mature age, the climate will suit the northern europeans, most of the team picks itself so there has been a relatively peaceful preparation unlike previous tournaments. But the problem might be when the shit hits the fan, what will he do because the coach has been quite rigid and stuck with his 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 formation for the majority of the qualifying campaign.

They were stuck in the Group of Death at Euro 2008 and came out with maximum points and were beaten by a coach who knows the Dutch game inside out. I'd say they were one of the highlights at that tournament just behind Spain. So, with a more experienced coach than Van Basten, I feel they've more to give this time round.

... plus i didn't wanna say Spain... ;D
 
[quote author=irishred link=topic=39961.msg1095734#msg1095734 date=1272555182]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=39961.msg1095465#msg1095465 date=1272526699]
Irishred, we can all see the attacking talent of The Netherlands, Sneijder, Van Persie, Robben etc but can you honestly say their defence is good enough to win the world cup? Can you even name their defence? Probably Ooijer who is an average players at best and 3 LESSER known (but equally average) players! Quarter finals at best I reckon.
[/quote]


Although I agree their defence isn't well-known (Heitinga/Wiel, Ooijer, Mathijsen, Van Bronkhorst 😀), they've only conceded two in the qualifiers and once in their last six games, probably more due to the midfield rear guard of De Jong and Van Bommel.

They have a team containing some of the most inform players in europe, as you've mentioned (I would include Van Bommel also). The squad are a mature age, the climate will suit the northern europeans, most of the team picks itself so there has been a relatively peaceful preparation unlike previous tournaments. But the problem might be when the shit hits the fan, what will he do because the coach has been quite rigid and stuck with his 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 formation for the majority of the qualifying campaign.

They were stuck in the Group of Death at Euro 2008 and came out with maximum points and were beaten by a coach who knows the Dutch game inside out. I'd say they were one of the highlights at that tournament just behind Spain. So, with a more experienced coach than Van Basten, I feel they've more to give this time round.

... plus i didn't wanna say Spain... ;D
[/quote]

Fair enough, although it was hardly the most strenuous group to qualify from and they will probably face better forwards than Kris Boyd in the finals. I like the look of the Dutch actually but I do think their defence will ultimately let them down.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39961.msg1095859#msg1095859 date=1272564985]
I'm going to feel sorry for Oncy when England get knocked out
[/quote]Thanks mate. Im also sorry that yous arent there. It wont be the same.
 
Rafa and Halmeister you pair of biffs.
About 5 people have added to Onkys list, quoting the previous poster, and then you go and quote Onky again losing all the info.

*tuts and raises eyebrow*
 
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