Many said Suarez wasn't a goal scorer. That's the point, you don't know until it's tried.
Benteke - BOOOOOO the puns
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Many said Suarez wasn't a goal scorer. That's the point, you don't know until it's tried.
I don't think that's entirely true. I think people have pigeon-holed him in their minds and then asked the questions.
Benteke can play as a target man, he's also played and scored in as many games in a counterattacking set up (which does suit us). People have criticised Rodgers lack of flexibility to high heaven, especially regarding our reliance on speed to hit people on the break, rather than opt entirely for the tika-taka approach, they slated him for it last year when he only reluctantly played Mario and Lambert. Benteke is somewhere between our original approach and having a player who will use brute force to provide space to others and bring others into play.
For instance, people slated his Cup Final performance, if you isolate him completely as Villa did, on already minimal service, then he will look poor, many strikers do. It's only a handful of players (like Suarez), who can lead the attack singlehandedly while your team puts 10 men behind the ball. Which brings me to a few crucial points. We WON'T play like that, we'll get numbers around him who already have the pace that he apparently lacks (not entirely true criticism), we may have purchased something of an attacking catalyst in Firmino too, which gives us variation, options and most importantly, goals.
Posters have generalised to the extreme, picking out any Tom, Dick and Harry as a comparison, none of whom really fit. He's much more clinical than any of them for starters. We also have a Daniel Sturridge in the wings waiting to come back and we have three new promising attackers to add to the mix, aswell as the fast emerging Ibe. I don't think adding Benteke will force a particular shift in thinking. You've got Coutinho looking to prod passes, it's not like we don't have quick runners to utilise that. We have runners from deep in Henderson and Lallana and then, as I've said, we have Firmino who for all this labeling as a playmaker, loves to play on the shoulder of the defender AND make clever runs from wide and deep. We have plenty of options.
The only thing I'd criticise is the price, but that's a different story. If we only had Benteke then I'd be a bit miffed, but adding a 1 in 2 striker to an already strengthened attacking line is more or less the icing on the cake, I think people are grossly overlooking Firmino.
I reckon Benteke will do ace... I'm just laughing at Torres.
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The thing about Suarez is when he got here he needed 7 chances to score. He used to be through on goal and sky it nearly every time. By the time he left he needed 2. It's a ridiculous improvement in accuracy.
Benteke arrives with a 1 in 4... in the middle of the two versions of suarez. That will fucking do me.
Benteke arrives with a 1 in 4... in the middle of the two versions of suarez. That will fucking do me.
I said before about his cup final performance that what bothered me most was his attitude. You look for passion, fight, determination, intelligence, intiative and anger in such situations. There was nothing. Just nothing. Sure, give a striker poor service and he won't do much and won't look good, but can you imagine a Keegan, a Dalglish, a Rush or a Suarez looking so resigned to his fate? Just shrugging his shoulders over and over again in a cup final? We already have a team of head droppers, so the prospect of getting another one is disturbing. As for how he'll play, I certainly haven't made my mind up. I simply don't know. Hopefully he'll prove his fans right.
I think you're reading alot into one game, Macca. He pretty much carried them for three seasons, who knows what was going through his mind? He wouldn't be the first striker to have an off day in a big game, or to sulk about, Suarez did do that in a few games, but he won us many too, same with Gerrard, they've all done it.
Benteke's attitude in comparison to ours in the quarter final is a different contrast again.
Big games. You don't excuse big games, you do scrutinise them. We have a team that has played great in so-so matches, but has choked when it counts. And you don't find that relevant? I can see that this is set to take over from your 'leave Brendan alone' threads, so I repeat, I don't have a firm view of Benteke, one way or another, but as you mentioned the cup final, that's my impression of it.
What leave Brendan alone threads? One? You're the one who rips into him at every opportunity, I think people go overboard at times, that's all.
I don't rip into him at every opportunity - you're going mad, Mark, you really are. Pull back from the abyss.
Villa were absolutely destroyed in that game though. Arsenal battered them for 90 mins.
I'm not sure what else he could have done. They mustered 2 shots towards target and I think you'll find most strikers would have rejected like he did.
Did he shrug his shoulders over and over again? I dont blame him seeing as they lumped it towards him and were second best for 90 mins. Doubt he could have made much difference.
Havent seen anything to suggest this is something that describes him as a player over the 3 years he's been in the league.
We'll have to agree to differ. I expect more from a striker for Liverpool. And yes, thanks, I've seen many, many, other strikers, thanks very much. Everything in this incredibly tiresome thread gets blown out of all proportion mainly because there's zero news and he hasn't yet played for us, so I'm glad to ignore it from now on.
By the time he left he was a 1 in 6 striker, 31 goals 187 shots. Suarez last season with us.
He did have a much quoted purple patch involving a 1 in 3/4 ratio immediately after we refused to sell him though
The thing is though Suarez created a lot of opportunities for himself.
I don't see Benteke doing that. And he'll struggle if we continue with a slow, possession based game plan
benteke is purple.
Judging by the first games in pre season we look more like the quick direct team from 13/14 than the slow build up team from last season.
Hopefully thats the case.
Yeah I've probs got selective memory on types of shots from certain circumstances from some crap I read ages ago. Either way Benteke is clinical and scores when he gets chances.
I'm not comparing him to Suarez in ability and style at all. Suarez was the best player we've ever had and probs one of the best there's ever been, so it's not really fair to do that. But if given chances Benteke scores goals, and I reckon there will be we a system that gets the best from everyone.
Yeah I agree. I just don't seeing him getting the same level of chances that Suarez did so even if he's comparable or a better finisher than Suarez, the goals total will probably be lower.
Suarez was also remarkably durable, and our number 1 option going forward - I don't think Benteke will be either of those.
I'd guess 15 league goals. And I'd be happy with it
I have no idea what that top he's wearing is.
Don't worry, Lovren will sort him out with some decent 'clobber' when he settles in.
He was our number one option going forward. I've always said that should have been Sturridge.
Troll harder
"Yeah, I'd like a leather coat. Has to have some shitty brand stitched into it so everyone's knows I'm a cunt who burns cash buying shite clothes. Oh, & can you make it look like I'm wearing a butchers smock over it, made of the same leather attached to it too? Cheers"
Same brand, £2700.
Rumours have it.. Sterling will be kitted out in exactly that.. a sky blue version when he comes to Anfield later in the season
