Backroom Shake Up.. Marsh & Pascoe gone.. More to come..

[Woland]

Which ex players who have any sort of profile have done any good coaching anywhere else?

I can't think of any. Sami has at least had high profile jobs, even if he's been shit. But there's no-one else. They all got TV jobs.

Related: Watching Steve McManaman slowly turn into Mick Hucknall is one of the most difficult things about growing old.

 

[gkmacca]

I'm not sure about Carra. Players resented Thommo's shouty aggression and that was well over a decade ago. Unless Carra was much more controlled than he was as a player, and picked his fights very, very carefully, he'd probably end up like Keane at Villa. For better or worse (it's worse, obviously) most young players these days resent any kind of criticism and just sulk if it keeps on being aimed at them. Besides which, as has been said, Carra is content at Sky and probably won't ever go back to the game in an active role.

Sami might be too far in the opposite direction. I bet his stare is unpleasant but I'm never convinced he's a great communicator. Having said that, he might well be a subtly authoritative presence, and the bonus would be he'd know Can inside and out and would be an ideal mentor to him as he begins his development as a future leader of the team.

My wish list would be:

1. Bellers, because he's seriously working to be a coach, is articulate, still well-known to the players and would really push them at Melwood.

2. Barnes, because he should be at the club in some capacity, he'd be an inspiration to the likes of Sturridge, Ibe, Sinclair and Ojo, he'd shut Sterling up in an instant, he'd be an articulate figure who could take some PR pressure off Rodgers and he'd certainly have ideas in the dug out.

3. Danny Murphy, because he's bright, keen to coach and he'd be a tactful but articulate advisor behind the scenes.

 

[6TimesaRed]

It has been fairly critical recently. Of course if you are a massive hysterical fanny and hugely biased against Rodgers you may see it differently.

When they posted articles in respect of fans opinion it came across very pro Liverpool... and not actually what the good majority of fans where saying...

 

[gkmacca]

The other thing is needed is at the other end of the age range. A wise old head behind the scenes. Kenny had Tom Saunders: a brilliantly shrewd, tactful, thoughtful man who was always there, unobtrusively, for the manager. Rodgers needs someone like that. Kenny ought to be the man, but he's largely left to his own devices in his current position. If Rodgers had sense he'd meet him informally for a drink and a chat every week, but instead he settles for Pascoe.

 

[6TimesaRed]

I'm not sure about Carra. Players resented Thommo's shouty aggression and that was well over a decade ago. Unless Carra was much more controlled than he was as a player, and picked his fights very, very carefully, he'd probably end up like Keane at Villa. For better or worse (it's worse, obviously) most young players these days resent any kind of criticism and just sulk if it keeps on being aimed at them. Besides which, as has been said, Carra is content at Sky and probably won't ever go back to the game in an active role.

Sami might be too far in the opposite direction. I bet his stare is unpleasant but I'm never convinced he's a great communicator. Having said that, he might well be a subtly authoritative presence, and the bonus would be he'd know Can inside and out and would be an ideal mentor to him as he begins his development as a future leader of the team.

My wish list would be:

1. Bellers, because he's seriously working to be a coach, is articulate, still well-known to the players and would really push them at Melwood.

2. Barnes, because he should be at the club in some capacity, he'd be an inspiration to the likes of Sturridge, Ibe, Sinclair and Ojo, he'd shut Sterling up in an instant, he'd be an articulate figure who could take some PR pressure off Rodgers and he'd certainly have ideas in the dug out.

3. Danny Murphy, because he's bright, keen too coach and he'd be a tactful but articulate advisor behind the scenes.

Danny Murphy is a good shout..

Know his football...

 

[Woland]

I heard Marsh was as shocked as anyone when he got the job. I doubt he'll be as surprised to lose it.

 

[gkmacca]

...So, you see, that line there, going up to that line here, running through that space there, and then crossing again with that line back there, proves that Mike was responsible for what went wrong last reason.

 

[Mystic]

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1. Bellers, because he's seriously working to be a coach, is articulate, still well-known to the players and would really push them at Melwood.

Bellamy would be fantastic.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Bellamy would be fantastic.

I'd let him take sterling out for a round of golf, he'd soon sort him out.

 

[mark1975]

I'd let him take sterling out for a round of golf, he'd soon sort him out.

Or Karaoke, whichever.

 

[darkstarexodus]

I'm not sure about Carra. Players resented Thommo's shouty aggression and that was well over a decade ago. Unless Carra was much more controlled than he was as a player, and picked his fights very, very carefully, he'd probably end up like Keane at Villa. For better or worse (it's worse, obviously) most young players these days resent any kind of criticism and just sulk if it keeps on being aimed at them. Besides which, as has been said, Carra is content at Sky and probably won't ever go back to the game in an active role.

Sami might be too far in the opposite direction. I bet his stare is unpleasant but I'm never convinced he's a great communicator. Having said that, he might well be a subtly authoritative presence, and the bonus would be he'd know Can inside and out and would be an ideal mentor to him as he begins his development as a future leader of the team.

My wish list would be:

1. Bellers, because he's seriously working to be a coach, is articulate, still well-known to the players and would really push them at Melwood.

2. Barnes, because he should be at the club in some capacity, he'd be an inspiration to the likes of Sturridge, Ibe, Sinclair and Ojo, he'd shut Sterling up in an instant, he'd be an articulate figure who could take some PR pressure off Rodgers and he'd certainly have ideas in the dug out.

3. Danny Murphy, because he's bright, keen to coach and he'd be a tactful but articulate advisor behind the scenes.

Great suggestions all three.

 

[6TimesaRed]

@RorySmithTimes

Good to know Brendan Rodgers might not be able to park a bus, but can definitely throw his first-team coach under one.

 

[Mors]

Is it Rory Smith's time of the month? Seems so the last few days

 

[mark1975]

@RorySmithTimes

Good to know Brendan Rodgers might not be able to park a bus, but can definitely throw his first-team coach under one.

Rory Smith knows fuck all and in fairness, the reports in his own newspaper a few days ago said that Rodgers was staying under strict conditions from the board, re the current staff etc. So he's talking fucking bollocks blaming Rodgers.

 

[6TimesaRed]

@mark1975

I didn't need a lecture over Rory.. We know how he operates..

But his comment I thought was funny.. and Imho... that probably what it was intended to be..

 

[Judge Jules]

Scapegoating to a degree maybe, but that by itself doesn't mean it's unjustified. Thommo weighing in on the side of a mate probably.

 

[gkmacca]

Rory Smith knows fuck all and in fairness, the reports in his own newspaper a few days ago said that Rodgers was staying under strict conditions from the board, re the current staff etc. So he's talking fucking bollocks blaming Rodgers.

I think he just can't resist making really lame jokes. Of course, as you all know, I find that absolutely appalling!

 

[doctor_mac]

I'm not sure about Carra. Players resented Thommo's shouty aggression and that was well over a decade ago. Unless Carra was much more controlled than he was as a player, and picked his fights very, very carefully, he'd probably end up like Keane at Villa. For better or worse (it's worse, obviously) most young players these days resent any kind of criticism and just sulk if it keeps on being aimed at them. Besides which, as has been said, Carra is content at Sky and probably won't ever go back to the game in an active role.

Sami might be too far in the opposite direction. I bet his stare is unpleasant but I'm never convinced he's a great communicator. Having said that, he might well be a subtly authoritative presence, and the bonus would be he'd know Can inside and out and would be an ideal mentor to him as he begins his development as a future leader of the team.

My wish list would be:

1. Bellers, because he's seriously working to be a coach, is articulate, still well-known to the players and would really push them at Melwood.

2. Barnes, because he should be at the club in some capacity, he'd be an inspiration to the likes of Sturridge, Ibe, Sinclair and Ojo, he'd shut Sterling up in an instant, he'd be an articulate figure who could take some PR pressure off Rodgers and he'd certainly have ideas in the dug out.

3. Danny Murphy, because he's bright, keen to coach and he'd be a tactful but articulate advisor behind the scenes.

Great wish list. Isn't there the potential for Bellers to get sick of BR's bullshit within days of taking the job and to wrap a 3 iron around the manager's face?

Ahhhh.....I suspect you perceive that potential.....

 

[Judge Jules]

Haha. At that rate Bellers could find himself caretaking till Ancelotti arrives this time next year. 😎

 

[gkmacca]

Great wish list. Isn't there the potential for Bellers to get sick of BR's bullshit within days of taking the job and to wrap a 3 iron around the manager's face?

Ahhhh.....I suspect you perceive that potential.....

Ha ha, yes, but actually I've noticed Bellers has said quite positive things about Rodgers in the past, so, at least initially, I think they'd get on. Probably.

 

[Judge Jules]

Wonder if Rodgers likes meat. As it were.

 

[gkmacca]

Here's Rodgers:

"It's one of my only regrets, really, that I never got the chance to work with Craig.
"I've followed him in his career right the way through; an outstanding player, very honest, speaks his mind, but is an ultimate professional.
"He always prepares himself well. He's given his life to being a footballer. He's a big Liverpool supporter and did very, very well here.
"When I came in, he had a year left on his contract but for other reasons he needed to move back home - and that was a regret because I've always seen him from the outside as someone who was very passionate about football, but who had great qualities.

And here's Bellers:

“First of all, he is a very good guy, a very, very good guy,” he said of Rodgers. “Secondly, he knows his football.
“What he has done at Swansea is nothing short of remarkable. Swansea had it in place because Roberto Martinez built a structure. So everything around the club was brilliant for Brendan Rodgers – but didn’t he grasp it and stamp his authority on it/
“Liverpool is not that far away from having that structure. He knows he’s coming into one of the most remarkable football clubs in the world but it is a chance he deserves. I feel if he can approach this job in the way he did at Swansea then it will be a match made in heaven.”

 

[Judge Jules]

On a side issue, why do people say "one of the only" when they mean "one of the few"? My goddaughter's one of the only people born in China but they add up to 20% of the world's population.

I'll get my grammar book.

 

[mark1975]

Here's Rodgers:


And here's Bellers:

Nice mutual respect from both there.

 

[Athens]

On a side issue, why do people say "one of the only" when they mean "one of the few"? My goddaughter's one of the only people born in China but they add up to 20% of the world's population.

I'll get my grammar book.

You're one of the only people who understand that.

 

[Judge Jules]

You're one of the only people who understand that.

Brill. 😀

 

[peekay]

I'm not sure about Carra. Players resented Thommo's shouty aggression and that was well over a decade ago. Unless Carra was much more controlled than he was as a player, and picked his fights very, very carefully, he'd probably end up like Keane at Villa. For better or worse (it's worse, obviously) most young players these days resent any kind of criticism and just sulk if it keeps on being aimed at them. Besides which, as has been said, Carra is content at Sky and probably won't ever go back to the game in an active role.

Sami might be too far in the opposite direction. I bet his stare is unpleasant but I'm never convinced he's a great communicator. Having said that, he might well be a subtly authoritative presence, and the bonus would be he'd know Can inside and out and would be an ideal mentor to him as he begins his development as a future leader of the team.

My wish list would be:

1. Bellers, because he's seriously working to be a coach, is articulate, still well-known to the players and would really push them at Melwood.

2. Barnes, because he should be at the club in some capacity, he'd be an inspiration to the likes of Sturridge, Ibe, Sinclair and Ojo, he'd shut Sterling up in an instant, he'd be an articulate figure who could take some PR pressure off Rodgers and he'd certainly have ideas in the dug out.

3. Danny Murphy, because he's bright, keen to coach and he'd be a tactful but articulate advisor behind the scenes.

I dont understand's footballs fascination with past good players for managerial or coaching positions. It appears all a decent footballer needs to do convey the impression that he is a deep thinker of the game through one or two statements on TV or articles most of which are heavily edited or ghostwritten. If you are a decent player for Newcastle, you dont even need to do that. When Brady retires, do you think the Patriots fans will be clamouring for him to become Belicheck's number two. I live in Steelers territory and there are plenty of past legends - Ward, Bradshaw - who make astute points on TV. But I have not heard many shots for them to replace Tomlin or anything to that effect.

Dont get me wrong, the three examples you mentioned might become great coaches or managers. But given the number of chances given to past footballers, I am sure there are other Rafa's , Mourinho's, Brendan's around who obsessively think about the technical side of the game and will become far better coaches than past legends. They might not have become managers because they might not have the personality or the ambition to become one or maybe they were just unlucky - not at the right place at the right time.

John Barnes has been a wonderful ambassador for the club and written some very intelligent and astute articles especially regarding the racism issue. But is there any clear evidence that he is a very good coach who can drill the team and improve the players individually. What we need is a person who obsesses over football videos, finds out issues, things like when opposition attacks our defenders are 30 feet apart, our strikers positioning with respect to the goal is incorrect, innovative methods to drill the offside trap ( I am just making stuff up here but I hope I am conveying the message). Does this person necessarily have to be a past good player.

 

[gkmacca]

It's not football's fascination, it's LFC's. It's been a very successful tradition, that's why it's always discussed, and also because the club has an unusually strong sense of identity which has drawn so many ex-players around it. So it's not a surprise. It's arguably also not irrational, given the precarious state of the club here and now, to have people around who push for the club to go back in the right direction. Signposts.

As for people who obsess over the videos, we've already got a veritable army of geeks who do that. Fat lot of good it's done.

 

[Judge Jules]

The only one on macca's list who he's suggesting should be a coach is Bellamy, who's already working towards his badges. What macca has in mind for Digger and Zidanny are less formal supporting roles, hence his mention of "in some capacity" and "behind the scenes".

 

[Hansern]

@pjoyceexpress: Liverpool set to part company with assistant manager Colin Pascoe as further part backroom shake up.