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Indeed. That's just one of the reasons why I despise the club and their fans. There is no class there at all. A few good seasons and a great player in Bale and suddenly they start lording it like they are Real Madrid. Anyone that lives in London will probably agree with me. Arsenal for example are light years ahead in terms of how a club is run. A Glenn Hoddle/Tim Sherwood combo would be fucking hilarious and about right for them.
If people had a soft spot for him they could easily argue he was hard done by because of this :
Villas-Boas was devastated not to acquire Moutinho and believed that he struggled to get any of the players he wanted signed by Spurs. It is a long and perhaps, at times, unrealistic list but included Oscar, Fernandinho, Willian, Leandro Damiao, Henrik Mkhitaryan, Fabio Coentrao, Hulk and David Villa. The latter was even taken on a tour of Spurs’ impressive new training ground but decided to join Atletico Madrid.
Villas-Boas was devastated not to acquire Moutinho and believed that he struggled to get any of the players he wanted signed by Spurs. It is a long and perhaps, at times, unrealistic list but included Oscar, Fernandinho, Willian, Leandro Damiao, Henrik Mkhitaryan, Fabio Coentrao, Hulk and David Villa. The latter was even taken on a tour of Spurs’ impressive new training ground but decided to join Atletico Madrid.
Yep, they're a small minded sour club. To be expected really.
As a Liverpool fan we're all living in glass houses when making comments like that
Yep, my hatred is well documented, but I've been saying for at least the last four years, that delusions of grandeur is the perfect motto for that club.
No we're not, stop trying to troll.
Yup. One of the reasons why I have a soft spot for AVB is that I see a lot of parallels between the way the media treated Rafa and the media treated AVB. ( Well the other reason is that we have done well away against his teams at venues where we traditionally did badly 🙂 ). He may have well deserved his sacking but I dont think he is as bad as what the media makes him out to be. If I was a young and upcoming manager I would avoid Spurs at any cost. Your best players are sold year after year often at the end of the window leading to discontinuity in team building and evolution, and at the first wobble you are out.
Some Portuguese journo twitted that AVB actually resigned (i.e. no payoff) as he realized he had no support from the board. That kinda makes sense considering the press conference he gave on Sunday evening ... He'll be in France next year it goes on to say - Monaco?
It was always going to go wrong. The guy had a promising start to his career with Porto and was then promoted too far too soon. He may yet become a top level manager but he has a lot more growing up to do first.
1.Transfer tantrums
[article]Andre Villas-Boas joined Tottenham under no illusions. As head coach he was made aware that his role would be to focus on coaching the team, whilst targets would be determined by a transfer committee of which he was part of. However, this never stopped him from making his demands clear to Daniel Levy, with the likes of Hulk and Joao Moutinho high on his wish list. When moves for both failed, Villas-Boas made his discontent clear to Levy souring the relationship between the two. Villas-Boas also failed to give young players enough opportunities even in relatively easy Europa League matches, which was at odds with Levy's wish for the club to have a core of young homegrown stars.[/article]
2.Tactical failings
[article]In acquiring the services of the much sought after Roberto Soldado in the summer, Tottenham had a striker who had a prolific record at both Valencia and Getafe. Spurs spent a record £26m on the Spaniard yet it was plain to see that Villas-Boas had not set his side up to get the back of his predatorial striker who was often left isolated ahead of his midfield three. Moreover, Villas-Boas's penchant for his side mantaining a high defensive line exposed the lack of pace of his centre backs, with Michael Dawson in particular ruthlessly exposed - just like John Terry was during Villas-Boas's ill-fated tenure at Chelsea. Put simply, Villas-Boas's tactics were too rigid to get the best out of the players at his disposal.[/article]
3.Criticising the fans
[article]After a dour 1-0 win against Hull, Villas-Boas broke one of the unspoken rules of football management when he criticised the fans. It was a bizarre move particularly as the White Hart Lane faithful had endured a 3-0 defeat to West Ham just a week earlier. The move immediately placed the onus on him and his team to deliver on the pitch but the following weeks saw more laborious, ponderous football before the 6-0 defeat to Manchester City and the fatal 5-0 home loss to Liverpool. Similarly his critique of two newspaper journalists in a press conference last month was also viewed as immature. The fans and the media are two fights that a football manager will never win.[/article]
4.Freund or Foe?
[article=http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/the-five-fatal-errors-that-cost-andre-villasboas-his-job-at-tottenham-9009786.html]Last season, Steffen Freund was a confidant to Villas-Boas and helped the icy Portuguese boss mantain a good rapport with the players. After Tottenham's defeat to Arsenal early in the season, however, the pair had a disagreement over the tactics and substitutions deployed that day. Villas-Boas responded by effectively promoting Luis Martins and marginalising Freund, who increasingly began to feel isolated. Villas-Boas lost a key ally in Freund. Likewise, Villas-Boas's handling of the Hugo Lloris concussion and fall out over his insistence on letting the goalkeeper play after being knocked out, put him at loggerheads with Tottenham's medical team.[/article]
5.Banishing Emmanuel Adebayor
[article] For a team struggling to score goals, Villas-Boas's indication to Levy and Franco Baldini on Sunday evening following the Liverpool defeat that he was unwilling to re-integrate Adebayor into the side proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Tottenham's highest earner is a divisive figure but has shown during previous spells at Manchester City, Real Madrid and Arsenal that he can score goals at any level. The pair's relationship deteriorated in the summer when Adebayo returned from compassionate leave in Togo after the death of his brother. After arguments on the training pitch in front of other members of the squad and affronted Villas-Boas ordered the striker to train with the youth team and even asked him to stand on a platform to apologise to his teammates. Levy perceived this as the failure of his young manager to put his personal issues with a player to one side for the good of the team.[/article]
Didn't know the incident with Freund. With other ex players like Les Ferdinand and Tim Sherwood around, it's never a smart move.
[article]Andre Villas-Boas joined Tottenham under no illusions. As head coach he was made aware that his role would be to focus on coaching the team, whilst targets would be determined by a transfer committee of which he was part of. However, this never stopped him from making his demands clear to Daniel Levy, with the likes of Hulk and Joao Moutinho high on his wish list. When moves for both failed, Villas-Boas made his discontent clear to Levy souring the relationship between the two. Villas-Boas also failed to give young players enough opportunities even in relatively easy Europa League matches, which was at odds with Levy's wish for the club to have a core of young homegrown stars.[/article]
2.Tactical failings
[article]In acquiring the services of the much sought after Roberto Soldado in the summer, Tottenham had a striker who had a prolific record at both Valencia and Getafe. Spurs spent a record £26m on the Spaniard yet it was plain to see that Villas-Boas had not set his side up to get the back of his predatorial striker who was often left isolated ahead of his midfield three. Moreover, Villas-Boas's penchant for his side mantaining a high defensive line exposed the lack of pace of his centre backs, with Michael Dawson in particular ruthlessly exposed - just like John Terry was during Villas-Boas's ill-fated tenure at Chelsea. Put simply, Villas-Boas's tactics were too rigid to get the best out of the players at his disposal.[/article]
3.Criticising the fans
[article]After a dour 1-0 win against Hull, Villas-Boas broke one of the unspoken rules of football management when he criticised the fans. It was a bizarre move particularly as the White Hart Lane faithful had endured a 3-0 defeat to West Ham just a week earlier. The move immediately placed the onus on him and his team to deliver on the pitch but the following weeks saw more laborious, ponderous football before the 6-0 defeat to Manchester City and the fatal 5-0 home loss to Liverpool. Similarly his critique of two newspaper journalists in a press conference last month was also viewed as immature. The fans and the media are two fights that a football manager will never win.[/article]
4.Freund or Foe?
[article=http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/the-five-fatal-errors-that-cost-andre-villasboas-his-job-at-tottenham-9009786.html]Last season, Steffen Freund was a confidant to Villas-Boas and helped the icy Portuguese boss mantain a good rapport with the players. After Tottenham's defeat to Arsenal early in the season, however, the pair had a disagreement over the tactics and substitutions deployed that day. Villas-Boas responded by effectively promoting Luis Martins and marginalising Freund, who increasingly began to feel isolated. Villas-Boas lost a key ally in Freund. Likewise, Villas-Boas's handling of the Hugo Lloris concussion and fall out over his insistence on letting the goalkeeper play after being knocked out, put him at loggerheads with Tottenham's medical team.[/article]
5.Banishing Emmanuel Adebayor
[article] For a team struggling to score goals, Villas-Boas's indication to Levy and Franco Baldini on Sunday evening following the Liverpool defeat that he was unwilling to re-integrate Adebayor into the side proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Tottenham's highest earner is a divisive figure but has shown during previous spells at Manchester City, Real Madrid and Arsenal that he can score goals at any level. The pair's relationship deteriorated in the summer when Adebayo returned from compassionate leave in Togo after the death of his brother. After arguments on the training pitch in front of other members of the squad and affronted Villas-Boas ordered the striker to train with the youth team and even asked him to stand on a platform to apologise to his teammates. Levy perceived this as the failure of his young manager to put his personal issues with a player to one side for the good of the team.[/article]
Didn't know the incident with Freund. With other ex players like Les Ferdinand and Tim Sherwood around, it's never a smart move.
Maybe you should educate yourself before making stupid comments and accusing people of trolling.
We're owned by people who have done exactly what you're saying makes Spurs bitter and small time. And they did it in a much worse fashion.
And even before that we did it with Rafa.
Same goes for you twitter boy
Just going back to me explaining about why I think Spurs are such a shower - I used to lived in Kentish Town for about 5 years. That's a stones throw from the Emirates and White Hart Lane. I was fully surrounded by both sets of fans and the difference between them was immense. I'm certainly no Arsenal fan and I had a fair few run ins with them but on the whole they were a friendly bunch who respected LFC (I'll include West Ham in that bracket come to think of it) Tottenham remind me of what the Victorians called 'nouveau riche' - Through whatever means they suddenly find themselves eating with the big boys only to complain loudly and angrily to the waiter that their gazpacho soup is cold!
[article=http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/daniel-levy-shows-that-he-is-a-great-believer-in-fairytales-9007877.html]But was there any self-examination in Levy’s expression? If so, a list of those others whom he had appointed only to disappoint might have arisen in his mind: Jacques Santini and Juande Ramos as well as those, such as Martin Jol and Harry Redknapp, whom many supporters might welcome back.
Levy, who has twice tried to engage Jose Mourinho, seems to believe there is a genius out there ready to drop everything in order to make Spurs a major Champions League force — despite a maximum crowd of 36,000 and an owner who, unlike Chelsea’s, prefers not to throw his money around.
In other words, Levy (above) and the owner, Joe Lewis, seem to believe in fairytales.
Villas-Boas was merely the latest to fail to write one against the clock. With Gareth Bale, he would have been better equipped to combat Luis Suarez yesterday. But Bale went and the money was spent on maybes. Results have been much as a reasonable person would expect but with extra goals leaked as new and bewildered heads dropped in the face of outstanding performances by Manchester City and Liverpool.
Whoever now takes over in the manager’s office, Levy and Lewis must fulfil their own functions.
While the new stadium remains a mirage — a thing of hoardings, brochures, plastic models and pipedreams — Spurs will lack the weight to land consistent punches such as Inter famously felt in Redknapp’s day. They need a Champions League home.[/article]
Levy, who has twice tried to engage Jose Mourinho, seems to believe there is a genius out there ready to drop everything in order to make Spurs a major Champions League force — despite a maximum crowd of 36,000 and an owner who, unlike Chelsea’s, prefers not to throw his money around.
In other words, Levy (above) and the owner, Joe Lewis, seem to believe in fairytales.
Villas-Boas was merely the latest to fail to write one against the clock. With Gareth Bale, he would have been better equipped to combat Luis Suarez yesterday. But Bale went and the money was spent on maybes. Results have been much as a reasonable person would expect but with extra goals leaked as new and bewildered heads dropped in the face of outstanding performances by Manchester City and Liverpool.
Whoever now takes over in the manager’s office, Levy and Lewis must fulfil their own functions.
While the new stadium remains a mirage — a thing of hoardings, brochures, plastic models and pipedreams — Spurs will lack the weight to land consistent punches such as Inter famously felt in Redknapp’s day. They need a Champions League home.[/article]
Well one or two can slip through the net I suppose 😉
Maybe you should try explaining your opinions outright for once instead of offering quip snipes. Once you do that, I will then explain to you how you're once again completely off the mark. Until you're ready to do that, people will just continue ignoring you for the troll you are.
The few I've spoken to at work share that sentiment too. The few I've spoken too in my home town said the complete opposite. I think the decision has polarised the fans somewhat.
[article]With Tottenham parting company with manager Andre Villas-Boas, there is one Twitter user who is bracing herself for the reaction that is likely to come with the decision.
Ashley Van Buren, who uses the unfortunate Twitter handle ‘@avb’, has been the target of angry tweets - including death threats - from supporters of the North London outfit as their side continue to slide down the Premier League standings.
It seems that a case of mistaken identity has occurred, with hundreds of Tottenham fans hurling abuse at the New Yorker following the team’s 5-0 thrashing at the hands of Liverpool, instead of the sacked Villas-Boas who is not on Twitter.
However, in ways only Twitter users can truly appreciate, the lady behind the account has decided to respond to her followers in her own style of trolling – tweeting famous quotes from theatre hits such as Annie.
A similar incident arose when Arsenal and Manchester United supporters tweeted an Indian energy consultant with the username ‘@rvp’, mistakenly taking him for Dutch star Robin van Persie.[/article]
Ashley Van Buren, who uses the unfortunate Twitter handle ‘@avb’, has been the target of angry tweets - including death threats - from supporters of the North London outfit as their side continue to slide down the Premier League standings.
It seems that a case of mistaken identity has occurred, with hundreds of Tottenham fans hurling abuse at the New Yorker following the team’s 5-0 thrashing at the hands of Liverpool, instead of the sacked Villas-Boas who is not on Twitter.
However, in ways only Twitter users can truly appreciate, the lady behind the account has decided to respond to her followers in her own style of trolling – tweeting famous quotes from theatre hits such as Annie.
A similar incident arose when Arsenal and Manchester United supporters tweeted an Indian energy consultant with the username ‘@rvp’, mistakenly taking him for Dutch star Robin van Persie.[/article]
Spurs got ahead of themselves. Their ambition and spend outstripped their common sense. Of course they would wanna play in the CL against the big boys. They had a great run in the competition for a season and that makes them want to experience real European nights consistently. God knows how we've missed it. I thought that they got rid of AVB prematurely but that's there problem to deal with. They'll be lucky to make the top 6.
You really are a pathetic cunt.
FSG are masters at it mate. Search for how they handled the departure of Terry Francona. Lot of Sox fans are still very upset about the treatment.
I maybe wrong here but I think the big difference I see between FSG and Levy is that FSG have a lot more patience if they believe in the project. With Levy you are practically out at the first wobble.
Even before FSG, the way media turned on Rafa - Dressing room unrest being made public, lot of details becoming available. It was obvious someone was briefing the media and setting the stage for Hodgson to come in and "steady the ship".
It is funny how a kind of collective personality seems to form around a club. The Barcodes have always been the ultimate bi-polar club (and not just because it's so cold there). They're either going to dominate a new European super league after a few good wins (Sir John Hall was always on about that), or they're going to hell in a handcart. There's absolutely no inbetween with them whatsoever. Spurs fans seem most comfortable as lugubrious under-achievers. As Red Astaire says, they don't know how to cope if things pick up. There's a parallel with Man City fans, but they've never struck me as being quite as mad as Spurs fans, there's a bit of humour there which always used to stop them going completely gaga.
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