You need to change the colours though Jon.
AVB (long read)
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Ooh, an excuse to post this picture for the third time. Ta.
And I will say, again, that geezer, Kitster, got SKILLZ !
gerrard - big man in a liverpool shirt, take that away, what are you?
skrtel - erm, defender, goal scorer, leader, legend.
skrtel - erm, defender, goal scorer, leader, legend.
Lukaku slammed him today ...
Hmm. So it wasn't just the old guard whom he alienated.
FSG are well aware of the debacle at chelsea and they are still prepared to interview him so obviously they can't be 'that' bothered about his failure there.
JJ's point is that they should be more bothered Neil...i'm sure you can read this. Stop acting dense...
Yeah because Di Matteo's been playing him loads too.
I fully understand JJ's point but you can't write off a manager because of one failed appointment, there are loads of examples that were poor at one club and then excellent at another.
It seems attention, and honesty, is what he's complaining about. Maybe Di Matteo told him, "Listen, you're not going to play ahead of Drogba and Torres, sorry"
Neil, I think all prem managers can win the title given the right circumstances. But only very few are capable of creating those circumstances wherever they go. Not everyone can be like Mourinho or Capello.
So its not insane to suspect that AVB is made off the former stuff than later. Given that he has had one success and failure, you cant really say you know which one he will replicate here,....
But i think he is a decent manager alright....
So its not insane to suspect that AVB is made off the former stuff than later. Given that he has had one success and failure, you cant really say you know which one he will replicate here,....
But i think he is a decent manager alright....
all we can do is keep an open mind. we never gave roy a chance, whoever the new guy is comes in with a clean slate
It is total, complete and utter bollocks to say "we never gave Roy a chance". For every fan who only wanted Kenny there were loads who, like me, would have preferred Kenny but were willing to give Hodgson the benefit of the doubt and see what he could do. Hodgson's friends in the media have always peddled this "never gave him a chance" myth. Liverpool fans have no business swallowing it.
People bemoan kenny not getting the chance to rectify his mistakes. Why was roy exempt?
because he shouldn't have been hired in the first place and had FSG been in charge he wouldn't have had a sniff of the liverpool job so why should they have kept him when he patently wasn't part of their plans, you can go further and say the they more than than likely wouldn't have hired kenny if given the choice.
That's a different question, Fabs.
Hodgson's whole selling-point was that he could get the best out of what we already had. He failed so miserably at doing so that we were in the bottom three at one point, and had barely managed to climb out of the relegation zone (losing to the likes of Northampton along the way) by the time FSG had quite rightly had enough. Under Kenny we underperformed in the league but were never close to being that dire. We also got to two finals and won one, when we were not far beyond the start of rebuilding the squad. The supposed equivalence between the two situations which some try to argue for is an entirely false one as far as I'm concerned.
Hodgson's whole selling-point was that he could get the best out of what we already had. He failed so miserably at doing so that we were in the bottom three at one point, and had barely managed to climb out of the relegation zone (losing to the likes of Northampton along the way) by the time FSG had quite rightly had enough. Under Kenny we underperformed in the league but were never close to being that dire. We also got to two finals and won one, when we were not far beyond the start of rebuilding the squad. The supposed equivalence between the two situations which some try to argue for is an entirely false one as far as I'm concerned.
That doesnt justify Roy's poor performances. While we didn't want him in the first place, we supported him when appointed. His dire tactics and defensively football didn't quite endear him to us. Feck, can you blame us for calling for his head after he eroded what little self belief we had and had us mired in the relegation zone?
How can you trust him with funds when he brought in the Nordic legend Christian Poulsen?
Fabs: as far as I can tell your figures are correct, but I return to the point that Roy was taken on because he specifically sold himself as the man to make our squad at the time perform at its best, regardless of transfers, and he sank like a stone in the attempt. Kenny never made such a claim - on the contrary, he told the owners from the start that it would take him four years to get the club to where we want to be.
Roy sold himself incorrectly, which was wrong, but did kenny honestly expect to get such high investment every year? Allegedly kenny wanted further expensive backing this year... Especially after this dour season, did he expect to get it?
I'm not getting into it all anyway. Roy was/is a cunt. I just don't think it's fair to say kenny didn't get a fair crack and not say roy deserved longer.
I'm not getting into it all anyway. Roy was/is a cunt. I just don't think it's fair to say kenny didn't get a fair crack and not say roy deserved longer.
I'm sure Kenny knew he'd have a job defending his record with the signings we'd already made and I'm equally sure he'd have settled for less than he originally asked for. It's how negotiations are conducted.
I understand your point of view, but I think there was ample justification in the two men's records for the different responses they got.
I understand your point of view, but I think there was ample justification in the two men's records for the different responses they got.
Which begs the question? Are you ROY HODGSON?😛
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