Of course there is a point there, but, our lot had a man in Kenny Dalglish who treated them like sons and look at the crap they paid him back with.
Fuck 'em. Let them train topless, in January, in the Shetlands !
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Of course there is a point there, but, our lot had a man in Kenny Dalglish who treated them like sons and look at the crap they paid him back with.
Fuck 'em. Let them train topless, in January, in the Shetlands !
The point as I see it is that we want a manager who will get them to do that if necessary, and that Villas Boas is not that man, not yet anyway.
I pretty much ignore what happens at chelsea, they give their managers 6 months and that is nowhere near enough time to get across your ideas. and fair play to matteo in cup competitions but in the league AVB's in rate was higher and that is with players that supposedly hated him.
The bolded bit is madness. Things like that are never, ever just one side's fault. Life just isn't like that.
bird's sing, bees bee, mangers get sacked. that is the nature of the game and if you went purely by a man being relieved of his duties then you'd never hire anyone. AVB is driven and the chelsea old guard simply didn't buy into his ideas, at liverpool the core and key players are pretty much all young and the old guard are on the fringes.
I'm not "just" going by the fact that he was relieved of his duties. I'm looking at why that happened. AVB knew what he'd have to do and went in with Abramovich's support to do it, but failed miserably. The age of the players is immaterial - it isn't as if he managed to persuade the younger ones to buy into his approach (besides which, if you really think Stevie G and Carra are "on the fringes" at Liverpool you're loopy). All of that tells me, loud and clear, that he's not ready for the Liverpool job.
gerrard isn't but carra is. of all the younger managers we've been linked with I don't see a single one making carra first choice. gerrard is capt but the rest of the older players are on the fringes.
you look at the personnel in key areas of the pitch and we are just better equipped to take on board AVB's tactics that chelsea were.
pepe - probably the best 'sweeper' keeper in the country
srktel, agger, johnson and enrique - able to hold a high line
lucas - mobility and positioning to stop break away attacks
suarez - able to play in a front 3
AVB is by far a better fit for liverpool than he was for chelsea and I suspect but for the hodgson debacle last season (which saw kenny hired mid season) we would have approached him last season
Carra is on the fringes as he's no longer an automatic starter
Performance wise, every player at chelsea played well for Boas, besides drogba, Lampard, terry and torres.
Mata, ramires, Ivanovic, bosingwa, Cole, sturridge etc etc etc, all played well. It was the old guard JJ.
Performance wise, every player at chelsea played well for Boas, besides drogba, Lampard, terry and torres.
Mata, ramires, Ivanovic, bosingwa, Cole, sturridge etc etc etc, all played well. It was the old guard JJ.
Carra's on the fringes of the team, emphatically not the fringes of the club, and Stevie G isn't even that far gone yet. Both remain crucial figures in and around the dressing-room.
As far as the situation at Chelsea is concerned, I'll give you Ramires, Ivanovic and Cole but Mata faded away during the season, Bosingwa's only started to play under Di Matteo and Sturridge was as pissed off as his older colleagues. But the main point is that you fellas persist in giving Villas Boas far too easy a ride over the way he alienated the older players. Whatever their part in the problems, the whole essence of his job was to resolve that situation and he Failed with a capital "F".
If we do get him I hope you'll turn out to be right, but I'll be holding my breath over it.
As far as the situation at Chelsea is concerned, I'll give you Ramires, Ivanovic and Cole but Mata faded away during the season, Bosingwa's only started to play under Di Matteo and Sturridge was as pissed off as his older colleagues. But the main point is that you fellas persist in giving Villas Boas far too easy a ride over the way he alienated the older players. Whatever their part in the problems, the whole essence of his job was to resolve that situation and he Failed with a capital "F".
If we do get him I hope you'll turn out to be right, but I'll be holding my breath over it.
for what it's worth I would be equally happy with de bore but I think they will go for AVB because he has european experience
Yup - FSG give people time to mould teams in their image .... doh!
roy wasn't their guy and frankly neither was kenny.
TBF Gerrard is gonna be any managers biggest problem.
We simply must build a side for the future, around the spine of reina, Skrtel, Agger, lucas, shelvey/Henderson, Carroll, suarez.
However, when he is fit Gerrard is simply too good not to play, yet he'll only be available for perhaps half the season (realistically, based on previous injuries), so he needs to be shoe horned in.
We simply must build a side for the future, around the spine of reina, Skrtel, Agger, lucas, shelvey/Henderson, Carroll, suarez.
However, when he is fit Gerrard is simply too good not to play, yet he'll only be available for perhaps half the season (realistically, based on previous injuries), so he needs to be shoe horned in.
AVB held a team meeting mid season at Chelsea, when things were going well.
He asked the team for honesty at why things were going well
Lamps and cole said they didnt agree with tactics and the team should try something new
AVB then dropped both for next couple of games
He asked the team for honesty at why things were going well
Lamps and cole said they didnt agree with tactics and the team should try something new
AVB then dropped both for next couple of games
I'd rather have Martinez than AVB. The training session where he made everybody shake his hand was the most embarrassing thing I've seen since Phil Brown did his half time team talk on the pitch (although I'm fairly certain one of the Chelsea players let the press know when and where it was happening so they could get a picture.)
AVB's record at Chelsea wasn't that bad. What worries me the most is how he lost total control. Plus it was madness to totally alienate players like Drogba and Lampard who, although old and on the wane, are such strong personalities and blatantly still good enough. It was naive in the extreme, although that is probably to be expected from a 34 year old.
Maybe we'd be better placed with a strong, experienced and respected DoF, but it makes me nervy.
Maybe we'd be better placed with a strong, experienced and respected DoF, but it makes me nervy.
clark would be a good buffer for AVB, not that I think he would need one and I suspect our young players would be more receptive to change and the older players aren't key players (imho).
So what are they?
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aren't key players
You mean like Cantona wasn't a key player for Man Utd when they played all them kids?
carra
gerrard
maxi
bellamy
kuyt
all over the age of 30 and of that list I would say only gerrard is a key player and even that is debateable
I also read an article where he said he had a clause put in his last Porto contract that said if he ever left, he could have Hulk join him at any of his future clubs for a Curly Wurly and three packets of Wrigleys.
hulk would be ace at liverpool, all we would need is spidey and iron man to complete the collection
So you didn't answer my question and if you're saying Gerrard is a key player it kinda negates your theory that the older players aren't key players.
NEIL, YOU DON'T MAKE NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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