Why not? Loan deals usually always carry a fee. Juve are part paying his wages.. so the actual fee is lower by the end of the year.
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£4.8m seems like alot of money for a player who has never amassed more than 1500m in his professional career. They were desperate to get rid of him, so the figure I thought would be under £2m
He’ll be going back to Juve in June that I am sure of, no way we gonna let these cheap Italian bastards mug us off.
Concerned for next summer, we’re running out of players to sell to make weight for the likes of Jude…don’t think the wages of Adrian Ox Naby Milner and Bobby will quite cut it.
Concerned for next summer, we’re running out of players to sell to make weight for the likes of Jude…don’t think the wages of Adrian Ox Naby Milner and Bobby will quite cut it.
We're dickheads
Just heard a great stat, he hasn’t managed over 1500 minutes in any of his seasons in Europe
While that's far from impressive, he's not coming in to be a first XI player. He's a short term squad player who is 3rd or 4th choice at LCM. It's a massively underwhelming signing any way you look at it. FSG has kicked the can down the road for another 12 months but our midfield is a ticking time bomb. They will need to invest heavily next summer or it falls apart.
The 1500 minute thing is in Europe isn’t it? By that logic Pele never played a minute of football in his professional career.
[article]Touted as one of Brazil's great prospects, Arthur Melo has since lost some of his "magic", but a move to Liverpool could kickstart his career and solve the Reds' midfield dilemma.
The 26-year-old arrives at Anfield on a season-long loan from Juventus to ease the Premier League club's growing injury concerns, with Jordan Henderson, Thiago Alcantara, Naby Keita and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain all currently absent.
Manager Jurgen Klopp hoped to bring in a new midfielder this window and said the one he wanted got away, as Aurelien Tchouameni joined Real Madrid in a deal reportedly worth up to £86m.
Liverpool have also been repeatedly linked with a move for Borussia Dortmund's England international Jude Bellingham next summer, and Klopp has said he "would like to risk a bit more" in the market, but the Reds have a careful transfer strategy.
Some less obvious deals have turned into hugely successful signings and since 2015, when Klopp arrived, Liverpool have the lowest net spend of the perceived big six - a £744m outlay in that period has been offset by £493m in player sales, according to football data website Transfermarkt.
It means a loan move for Arthur may prove the ideal stopgap, though the Brazilian will also be a valuable asset if he can deliver on his potential.
"Arthur is seen in Brazil as a player of enormous potential, who left Gremio as one of the best in the country between 2017 and 2018," Brazilian journalist Jorge Natan tells BBC Sport.
"His arrival at Barcelona generated the expectation that he could become one of the main athletes of the Brazilian national team in the coming years for his versatility as a midfielder - very skilful with the ball, with great passing ability, as is required of great midfielders today.
"But his arrival in Europe seems to have taken some of the magic around his talent."
Arthur, handed his Gremio debut as an 18-year-old by Luiz Felipe Scolari, was courted by several European clubs before joining Barcelona in 2018, and played 72 times in all competitions during his two seasons with the Catalan giants.
"I used to accuse Arthur Melo of being a little conservative in the way he approached his football at Barcelona," says Spanish football expert Guillem Balague.
"But this wasn't all his fault - it wasn't a Barcelona that moved a lot without the ball. Often, Arthur just gave conservative passes, not so many through passes that he was there for."
Juventus paid almost £70m to sign him in 2020 in what was essentially a swap deal for Miralem Pjanic, only for the Serie A side to go through three managers since his arrival - Maurizio Sarri, Andrea Pirlo and Massimiliano Allegri.
"With that style he [Sarri] plays - high tempo, midfielders that are very physical, it just didn't work for him," adds Balague.
"Then Pirlo started playing him, he did well and there were a couple of games where he was the one with the most accurate passing and certainly it suited what Pirlo wanted to do - and then Pirlo went."
This also coincided with a series of injuries that, according to Transfermarkt, have seen him miss 23 games since December 2020, and Natan says he is unlikely to feature in Tite's World Cup squad, come November.
"Physical problems and club changes stopped his development and took away his space in the Brazil team," explains the Globo journalist.
"I believe that the opportunity to play in the Premier League and join a consolidated team like Liverpool can help him achieve at least part of the potential he showed four or five years ago at Gremio."
Balague agrees, although he has reservations over how quickly Arthur can adapt to the pace of the Premier League, which he says is "completely different to Serie A".
"At Juventus, it didn't really work because the system of Allegri and the style of Allegri just didn't suit him," says Balague. "But he feels not only now that he is 100% physically well, he feels he could adapt to the Premier League quickly.
"He reckons Klopp will understand his game much better than Allegri, so the player is really looking forward to coming to Liverpool."
He joins a successful Brazilian contingent at Anfield that also includes Alisson, Fabinho and Roberto Firmino.
"Arthur will have to think quicker, manage to see the passes quicker and deliver them as well," says Balague.
"I am not sure if he will have an immediate impact. If he gets to grips in a couple of months, you will see somebody who will deliver good balls to the forwards.
"Thiago's football took a while to take off, but as we know he made a big impact. [It is] original thinking from Liverpool to get him and a good addition to the midfield."
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He seems genuinely happy and excited to be here. Interesting trajectory - not many players get to play for 3 clubs like Barcelona, Juventus and Liverpool in their career, let alone by the age 26 - now it’s pretty much the last chance saloon for him at the very top level to show that he can make good use of his considerable talent. I liked him at Barca and the time at Juve was hard to judge as the whole team was all over the place with the managerial changes. Definitely didn’t see this one coming, curious what will come out of it.
Remembered Matip's injury was the trigger for our transfer deadline scramble for CB in 2021. This time, it's Hendo's.
Ludicrous approach to our needs, and wasted opportunities but I'm glad we did something. He will improve our options, that I'm reasonably confident about. Not because he's great, but because our options are absolutely shit.
The other reason you didn't mention is that his style of play didn't suit those teams (this was mentioned by a few commentators). Let's pray they are right and that Klopp can integrate him as it seems the talent is there if channeled correctly.
4 seasons, 4 different managers too - Valverde, Setien, Pirlo, Allegri (and those 2 seasons @ Juve was when they were in descendance).
Even my nan's better than Keita, and she's already passed on.
So surely Arthur cant be any worse.
So surely Arthur cant be any worse.
No pressure
I actually think this is a really nice signing, we need more technically able midfielders that are comfortable receiving the ball turning and progressing it, and this is something he seems very capable of, so fantastic, this also increases the chances we'll never see a Henderson Milner partnership in midfield again, so double fantastic.
There was a sequence the other night against Newcastle where the ball was played to Hendo 10 yards outside their box with his back to goal. No Newcastle player withim 5m and no pressure on him. He controlled the ball, looked over his right shoulder,took a touch, looked over his left shoulder, took another touch and then turned around. It was like watching a child learning to cross the road.
I guess this is what Klopp meant when he said taking more risks with a signing. Chances of success are lower than a lot of our signings, we would have a very high success rate, but hopefully does pay off, it'd tide us over until we make the longer term signings.
Fuck me! For fans that believe in signs, this doesn't bode well.
How long until this crab is injured? I'm saying he picks something up within 2 weeks
3 games max!
Hamstring pull in training on Tuesday is my guess
Fucks sake guys. Give the lad a chance. He’s signed for us, he’s now a red and we should be wishing him well.
it’s not like we signed a Gillingham Ressie, this is a Brazilian international that’s played in the top teams of two of the top leagues of Europe for 3-4 years
it’s not like we signed a Gillingham Ressie, this is a Brazilian international that’s played in the top teams of two of the top leagues of Europe for 3-4 years
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