Below the first two for sure.
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Below the first two for sure.
That was 37 years ago.
You haven't understood any of a carefully worded post, and I frankly can't be bothered explaining it.
The Kuyt and Osman comparisons are very relevant for a valuation exercise if you actually put some thought to it. Here are some more names from the last 5-7 years that you should consider - Malouda, van der Vaart, Dempsey, Kalou, Michu, Benayoun, Nani, Sigurdsson. These are far better valuation comparisons than the completely laughable references to Iniesta and Goetze. These are goalscoring attacking mdfielders in the PL who his statistical production is comparable with. Why shouldn't value (after accounting for inflation) be referenced accordingly?
Even assuming that he's far more talented than any of them (and I'm not necessarily willing to concede that - VdV, Malouda, Michu are/were very talented), then you have other comparisons - like Eriksen, Coutinho, Kagawa, Belhanda, Marvin Martin, Kovacic, Pjanic, Firmino, Djuricic - and that's just off the top of my head, who've gone for a pittance compared to the 25 million figure being bandied about for Lallana.
Have you seen what most of these guys have been doing for the past 2 years - for club AND country? Some of these guys have over 20 senior caps, and are their sides' best players - it's quite different from breaking through into an English team largely devoid of talent, managed by one of the shittest managers in the world and making an impact as a sub.
He's a talented player alright and he's done very well this season. And just for the record, lest some idiot likes to remind me when we've signed him that I said he was shit, I actually wouldn't mind signing him. But you've got to be someone having zero world view of football or some blindly parochial oaf, if you think that he's one of the best talents in the world worth paying 25 million for.
As for who gives a shit about paying extra money, that's the most retarded logic of all time.
Who gives a shit about the hard-earned extra 30 million CL money, I suppose then? Who gives a shit about the extra 30 million per year our zillion-fucking-years-in-the-pipeline stadium will bring, I suppose as well?
If and its a big if he keeps the level he has performed at this season for another 4/5 years then I think it was money well spent. He cost 16m
Paying too much for a young player who has alot of years ahead of him to improve is different to paying too much for a 26/27 year old who looks at the peak of his ability and still isn't a world beater. 25m is far too much for him even if I do rate him.
Woo hoo where did this Vlad come from? Is it Ross using his profile?
I don't think anyone is saying he's not a great player, I just think there are potential gems out there that can me just as good or better for alot less if you search hard enough.
Countinho cost less than a 1/3 of what is being quoted.
Suarez went for less too.
For 25m he'd want to be a guaranteed starter week in week out and make a big impact week to week. Will he do that? The signs point to yes, but considering some of the bombs we have signed it's easy to see why some are happy to luck elsewhere for that price.
At the end of the day Lallana hasn't done on any kind of a major stage yet. (perhaps Brasil will be it, but time will tell)
I'd be happy if we got him but at the same time not terribly disappointed if we miss out on him because the price is too high
Since when was 26 young?
I'm 27, fuck you.
I wish people would stop confusing concerns over the price with not having "ever watched him play".
We've been stung over players before the Premiership market, it's not unfair to be worried about another long, drawn out saga which results in us overspending. I don't really think it's fair to say that we shouldn't worry about the price either. Of course we should, to a degree at least. I'm yet to see any of the lads we missed out on last season, that people were crucifying us for not going the extra yard on, prove to be anything more than questionable acquisitions.
Soldado has been a disaster, Eriksen has had his moments, Willian has little productivity for someone who sees so much of the ball (certainly not enough for someone of his cost, atm). The Ukranian guy might prove to be a sound option this time, but I'm hardly fretting over any of the targets we missed out on. Just because they're big money moves it doesn't equate to guaranteed success.
Like I've said all along, we just need to be clever with our spending and to make sure we buy the players that fit us and identify the areas that need improving upon from this season - arguably the same ones from last season.
Just to reiterate, because some people clearly keep missing the point. I DO like Lallana and he would be a promising capture for the club, *if* he can continue his form he's shown for the Saints over the last couple of years and he doesn't do what many players have before him, ie look like a fish out of water when joining a big club. If we can get him done and dusted early, then brilliant. If it becomes another saga that drags on until August because of the WC, interest from other clubs and us haggling and eventually getting priced out the market, then it has the potential to be another distracting, nauseating and unnecessary drama.
We've been stung over players before the Premiership market, it's not unfair to be worried about another long, drawn out saga which results in us overspending. I don't really think it's fair to say that we shouldn't worry about the price either. Of course we should, to a degree at least. I'm yet to see any of the lads we missed out on last season, that people were crucifying us for not going the extra yard on, prove to be anything more than questionable acquisitions.
Soldado has been a disaster, Eriksen has had his moments, Willian has little productivity for someone who sees so much of the ball (certainly not enough for someone of his cost, atm). The Ukranian guy might prove to be a sound option this time, but I'm hardly fretting over any of the targets we missed out on. Just because they're big money moves it doesn't equate to guaranteed success.
Like I've said all along, we just need to be clever with our spending and to make sure we buy the players that fit us and identify the areas that need improving upon from this season - arguably the same ones from last season.
Just to reiterate, because some people clearly keep missing the point. I DO like Lallana and he would be a promising capture for the club, *if* he can continue his form he's shown for the Saints over the last couple of years and he doesn't do what many players have before him, ie look like a fish out of water when joining a big club. If we can get him done and dusted early, then brilliant. If it becomes another saga that drags on until August because of the WC, interest from other clubs and us haggling and eventually getting priced out the market, then it has the potential to be another distracting, nauseating and unnecessary drama.
He's gifted yeah, but in most of the games I've seen him play - Sunderland for instance, he has had a hell of a lot of the ball and there's been no real end product. Gifted he might be and he might just still be finding his feet somewhat, but I'm not devastated we missed out at the minute, not for that price anyway. My point is people are saying we shouldn't worry about the price, I'm all for us making a statement of intent, but I wish we'd be clever too - either identify up and coming talent, or go into these deals with the intent and conviction of getting it sewn up early, or at least realise early when we're getting priced out the market.
Maybe I just can't be arsed with the hysterics on here again, everytime we enter into negotiations for a high priced players that other big clubs want, with the inevitable withdrawal due to not wanting to over pay. Like I said, sort it early or fuck it off.
He is a worker - fairly talented on the ball but adds very little going forward. Barely scores, barely assists - basically fits into the Mourinho game plan of 3-4 attackers and the rest players who can keep the clean sheet.
You mean Lallana has been Eriksen'd?
Good thing for Konoplyanka, he has multiple versions of threads so it seems like there's only 2 pages of discussions on him usually.
We HAVE to get cl next season. If we're not in the top 4 we're fucked financially cos the gap will be practically impossible to breach on our resources. I don't 'overpaying' this summer to try to ensure that we comfortably get that target next season, which will be considerably harder to do for a number of reasons.
I'd take Eriksen now (are you listening @KHL?) I'd probably take him before Lallana.
Nah, I still think he's a bit of a bottler.
Maybe he hasn't produced as much as his price suggests he should have, but he's been playing in a dour team doing a very workman like role. If we'd have got him last summer, I'm pretty confident he'd have 10-15 goals to his name.
I'd choose Lallana over Willian every time.
How about 14 months ago?
Well 2 seasons ago when Saints got promoted I tipped him to shine in the EPL. In his first season he improved as the season went on and by the end of 2012/13 was already showing the form he has shown this season.
I can't answer your question simply because this is the first season I've really seen Willian but I've been an admirer of Lallana's since Saints were a 1st division team. I've watched his progress through the divisions thinking he had the talent to make it "big" and I still believe he can improve further.
If nothing else though, it's a stretch to say that Lallana is a better player than Willian.
Willian's game is hindered by Chelsea's style. Opposite effect for Lallana and Southampton.
I honestly think Willian will improve next season, and Lallana's form is due to take a dip. But we'll have to see how it plays out.
Why is it due to take a dip, on what basis can you say that? Why is he not going to carry on improving especially playing in a better team and under the tutelage of Rodgers? I think Willian Is a good player and will improve, I also think Salah will be a great player too, Mkhitarian has been good, all Rodgers targets we missed out on for various reasons.
Totally agree that Willian does not seem suited to Chelsea's style of play but I can only judge him on this season because I didn't see much of him prior to this. The things I like about Lallana, allied to his ability....are his consistency, his work ethic and his reading of the game.
I'm greedy Spion, I always want good players.
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