Yeh we could have bought more attacking midfielders to play at wingback. What were we thinking ? Anyway, I hope the lad kicks on myself next year. He'll do better in a more mobile midfield. Let's hope we get one.
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Yeh we could have bought more attacking midfielders to play at wingback. What were we thinking ? Anyway, I hope the lad kicks on myself next year. He'll do better in a more mobile midfield. Let's hope we get one.
I don't agree with people who shrug off his price tag with "he didn't set the fee" or "you overpay for some, underpay for others". That doesn't detract from the fact that we should have walked away. We paid £25m. We should expect a £25m player. He isn't that. Therefore, he isn't good enough for the price we paid. Simple.
I was going to say something pretty similar - you saved me the bother.
It's clear Lallana has got talent and I'd like to see what he can do next season before rubbishing him completely but thus far we've gotten nowhere near our moneys worth.
Couldn't swear to it, but my recollection of the time when we signed him is somewhat different. As I remember it, people weren't so much saying the price was fair as saying it wasn't sufficient reason not to back the manager's choice.
One certainly can't ignore Lallana's price when discussing our dodgy transfer dealings, but I actually think one can and should ignore it when discussing whether Lallana's ability is high enough for LFC. They're two entirely separate issues IMO.
One certainly can't ignore Lallana's price when discussing our dodgy transfer dealings, but I actually think one can and should ignore it when discussing whether Lallana's ability is high enough for LFC. They're two entirely separate issues IMO.
There were definitely people who thought it was too much and, first choice or not, we shouldn't have signed him. But I do see your point. However, there comes a time that you want value for money. Lallana is never a £25m player, so we should have walked away at that point and tried to get value for money elsewhere. There's no doubt he's a good player, and would indeed have a place in our squad. But for £25m, you either earmark that for a top class, first team addition, or a young prospect that you hope will go on to become a star. He's neither of those.
Especially when we're not in a position to sign £20m-plus failures (even though we do it enough of the time!), discard them and buy another. Each time we sign a player for a high fee and he doesn't justify it we stall and waste a transfer window. The money for Lallana could have been spent on two players for half his price and our squad would have been better off for it.
I didn't want him. I would have taken him for about £10-15m. I wanted Shaqiri or someone else instead. But Modo was the most vehement opposition to the Lallana signing.
I don't particularly recall Modo being anti English.
The Irish probably didn't notice it to be fair. It may have made Modo more popular with them if they had.
Also he wasn't really.
I was actually politely tying to highlight that I do recall him being a wanker and a bellend.
Anyway's, this thread is presumably to flush him out of his current incarnation.
If he didn't focus on the attention seeking stuff he could be a very decent poster at times
Very good footballers play well in any team not just with great players around them.
He's been a big let down as our big summer signing.
He's right up there with all our big money signings under Rodgers.... Fucking shite!!
That's the first time I've heard anyone suggest Lallana was "our big summer signing". He wasn't. Yes, we overpaid. No, there was no such expectation - he was one piece in a wider jigsaw.
He cost the most.
He's a good player. Just because we paid too much, it doesn't make him shit. There have been plenty of games this season in which he's been instrumental in our attacking play. He's clever, technically good and makes shit happen. Makes a difference from just running really fast at people.
The squad's like my plate when there's a free buffet.
Made of paper?
I wouldnt call Markovic a flop already tbh. He's shown in glimpses what he can offer.
He's been very badly utilized by Rodgers and has been subbed in several games were he should have stayed on.
Has hardly got a look in recently which is very surprising. You'd think that when the league and top 4 chase was over we'd play the players we're going to build around in the future.
But instead we're playing the likes of Lambert and Johnson. I find it baffling.
He's been very badly utilized by Rodgers and has been subbed in several games were he should have stayed on.
Has hardly got a look in recently which is very surprising. You'd think that when the league and top 4 chase was over we'd play the players we're going to build around in the future.
But instead we're playing the likes of Lambert and Johnson. I find it baffling.
Disagree somewhat, in that the chase for a top four place wasn't quite over until just recently. ManUre kept trying to let us back into it.
But I do agree that some of Rodgers' team selections have been weird. If there's been a reason for them, it hasn't been clear to me.
But I do agree that some of Rodgers' team selections have been weird. If there's been a reason for them, it hasn't been clear to me.
There's other threads for Lazar but from the first minute of hid debut he has looked scared and his performance in the FA Cup semi-final is probably why Rodgers doesn't trust him enough to play him now.
The odd glimpse of his talent ain't enough for £20m and that's why to me he is way more of a flop than Lallana
The odd glimpse of his talent ain't enough for £20m and that's why to me he is way more of a flop than Lallana
I think the biggest failure has been the transfer committee itself.
The structure of deals that we have imposed means that we get Markovič and Balotelli instead of a £38m super sexy Reus / Greizmann / Costa type player to get us all believing again. (Yes I believe that we could have got Costa if we wanted him and paid more ££) I also would like to add that making a bigger statement also means that we become a more attractive proposition to other players and subsequently makes those type of deals easier. It's self-fulfilling to some degree.
The acquisition of a player of that quality would have meant CL football for us next year (I have to believe that given how slim the margin is at this point). So it makes us seem penny-wise, pound-foolish.
In conclusion, the committee (not banana, or markovič, or Balotelli, or Lovren) are the real culprits/cunts here.
The structure of deals that we have imposed means that we get Markovič and Balotelli instead of a £38m super sexy Reus / Greizmann / Costa type player to get us all believing again. (Yes I believe that we could have got Costa if we wanted him and paid more ££) I also would like to add that making a bigger statement also means that we become a more attractive proposition to other players and subsequently makes those type of deals easier. It's self-fulfilling to some degree.
The acquisition of a player of that quality would have meant CL football for us next year (I have to believe that given how slim the margin is at this point). So it makes us seem penny-wise, pound-foolish.
In conclusion, the committee (not banana, or markovič, or Balotelli, or Lovren) are the real culprits/cunts here.
I think the committee basically have the right idea. It's Rodgers who fucks the whole thing up IMO.
Anyone who seriously thinks we can sign players like Reus and Costa needs to wake up. We're not at that level - we have to have a strategy for building towards that. IMO the focus on high quality younger players - as Rosco says, the Europa League stars - is one such credible route. It's not necessarily the only one, but it's a hell of a lot more likely to work trying to go toe to toe with much richer clubs than us.
Anyone who seriously thinks we can sign players like Reus and Costa needs to wake up. We're not at that level - we have to have a strategy for building towards that. IMO the focus on high quality younger players - as Rosco says, the Europa League stars - is one such credible route. It's not necessarily the only one, but it's a hell of a lot more likely to work trying to go toe to toe with much richer clubs than us.
I've never liked the transfer committee set-up and I still don't. It looks like what it is, an uneasy compromise between FSG's preferred model (DOF and Head Coach) and Rodgers' unwillingness to work under such an arrangement, which satisfied no-one and leaves lines of responsibility way too blurred. FSG should either have insisted on their model and not appointed Rodgers or backed him to the full. It's been said that "a camel is a horse designed by a committee" and a number of our transfer dealings would give anyone the hump.
I'm posting the stats in response to this post but it could actually be for anyone of those with the knives out .. we all know who they are.
Let's start by taking a look at Morse's PL MoM table - because that was the instigator of my research. Lallana lies 6th with 3 MoMs, 5 x 2nd places and 3 x 3rd places from 20 starts and 4 sub appearances ( in other words he is one of our Top 3 players virtually every other time he plays), ahead of Henderson with 33 (1) games, and just 1 pt behind the much loved Can (also 20+4) and only 3 pts behind Skrtel (31 games), so a surprising number of Top 3 rankings for someone taking such stick is it not ? Especially with injury bracketing each period when he starts to settle in.
A quick look at goals scored has much the same look about it, 5 goals (joint 5th) in a surprising 29 starts and 9 subs appearances (I have assumed each sub. app. is 30 mins), so a 0.156 scoring average. Compare that to those two just above him, Henderson with 7 from 49 (2) is 0.140 and Coutinho with 8 from 44 (+4 as sub) has a 0.178 scoring rate, hardly anything between them.
So considering his stop /start season and many substitutions (compared to Coutinho & Henderson who invariably see the match out) it's hardly worthy of him being singled out as a failure. Especially so since Coutinho and Henderson are flying under the radar in this respect, whilst others take the flak.
I've come to the conclusion that those who have it in for Lallana simply can not reconcile the price we paid and so, irrespective of how well he actually plays or how much he contributes (and you can be sure those same agitators were not voting for him in the MoM threads, thereby negatively affecting his ratings), they are determined to use the fee as an instrument of abuse and stubbornly refuse to see the value he brings, even when playing well enough to be considered one of our Top 3 players on the day.
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