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A more equal Premier League?

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Will that be one of the effects of all this money coming into the division?

Surely it will have more impact on clubs like West Ham and Stoke than Utd and Arsenal? After a certain level of spending you hit pretty severely diminishing returns, but the difference between someone like Matt Jarvis and Shaqiri is huge.

I think this could be brilliant for the league as a whole. For big spending but wasteful big clubs, less so!
 
Completely agree. I've been thinking this myself. As you say diminishing returns. Virtually any PL team can spend £10m on a player and most mid table teams £12-15m. That gets them a far better player than scrabbling around for low budget foreigners or FL players.
You have to worry about the effect this will have on the chances of FL players breaking through to the PL though and could lead to a deluge of overseas players.
The PL is going to become ultra competitive though.
 
The alternative is that the same players just cost more and all that happens is the league stays the same
 
There will be price inflation but it'll be very concentrated among Premier League based players.

Particularly bad for big spending big clubs with managers fixated on PL players.
 
Rosco said:
The alternative is that the same players just cost more and all that happens is the league stays the same
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Not when the competition is BL, Ligue 1, La Liga etc. Some price inflation is inevitable as BL, La Liga, Ligue 1 etc. have already said they will style themselves on the PL commercial model but pricing will still stay within affordable parameters for those leagues.
 
Frogfish said:
Not when the competition is BL, Ligue 1, La Liga etc. Some price inflation is inevitable as BL, La Liga, Ligue 1 etc. have already said they will style themselves on the PL commercial model but pricing will still stay within affordable parameters for those leagues.
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I don't understand any of this
 
I don't either but if it's similar to the reply I gave then I'd just say to think of it like the London and British property market. London's a rich city with all kinds of wealth injections from abroad and peculiar industries. That's reflected in property prices in the capital, then a bit less but still very much in leafy places like Seven oaks and St Albans within commuter distance, and less and less so once you get beyond an hour or so's train journey. Once you get to somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle the effect is highly diffuse.

So PL players will have their prices inflated almost 1:1, and less and less so once you travel out of its clubs' sphere of influence.
 
The league has been different for the last few seasons I think.

Look at the players and style of football at teams like Stoke, Swansea, Newcastle, Southampton and West Ham.

More and more Premiership clubs are realizing that simply going through the same pool of British players and managers doesn't really get them anywhere.

In terms of developing British talent, tough shit. Focus on getting the talent levels up as opposed to crowbarring average players and managers into the game.
 
I think the foreign players and more importantly influences are actually good for English players. I've rarely known so many good young players being produced.

You could pick a back four from under 21 players of

Gomez
Oxford
Stones
Shaw

That is stellar potential. Same goes for midfielders and attackers, pretty much.

Sterling
Ibe
Loftus-Cheek
Roberts
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Barkley
Solanke
Kane
 
It makes the challenge for the places from 5th to 8th more interesting, and it can have a major influence on how the top 4 or 5 clubs place amongst each other, but I'm not sure the impact will go much further.

The reason I think so is because the problem of diminishing returns for the bigger clubs is offset by them picking the gems off clubs below them. Although it enriches the selling clubs and they get cash to spend on players, they're constantly in a cycle of refreshing their leading players instead of building the depth of the squad. As such, they can't really sustain an assault on the top places.

They'll break the cycle if they can have an incredible season and get into the CL - then maybe for a season, they can convince their stars to stay on so they can consolidate their position and build depth instead of just replacing the first line. Otherwise, while these clubs will bring in some exciting players and do well to challenge the top clubs in individual skirmishes, they'll still fade away over the course of the season.
 
I think the big 4 still have enough of an advantage that it would take something catastrophic for a team like West Ham to trouble them.

But clubs like Spurs and Liverpool could be vulnerable. Plus the league will just be more competitive and less predictable on a week to week basis.
 
A lot more premier (smaller) league teams are playing possession based/attacking football compared to years gone by.

Teams like Leicester/saints/bourmouth are playing matches to win.
 
More money available the more prices will be inflated.. so it will be more of the same. Historically it has been like that and it will continue to do so..

I don't see much of change tbh.. Placebo effect more than anything else..
 
RedNinja said:
More money available the more prices will be inflated.. so it will be more of the same. Historically it has been like that and it will continue to do so..

I don't see much of change tbh.. Placebo effect more than anything else..
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Did you not read my posts arguing that it's more complicated than that?
 
The players being bought by the likes of Stoke are players on the demise, or trying to reignite their stuttering careers..

This has been going on for years..

No one was prepared to take a gamble on the players Stoke have bought at the prices being mentioned.. or because of their injury records..

Shaquiri would of probably cost not much more the price Riera or Garcia cost us during Rafa's era..

Players from other european countries will be targeted, but if they cannot offer Champions League football long term where they currently play in, they may still struggle to sign them..

If they offer mega wads.. Like Man City did.. well... that arguably shows ambition.. You will see a bigger picture
 
It'll probably ruin other leagues. Ajax have an average age of about 21 now. Similar for PSV and Feyenoord.
 
RedNinja said:
The players being bought by the likes of Stoke are players on the demise, or trying to reignite their stuttering careers..

This has been going on for years..

No one was prepared to take a gamble on the players Stoke have bought at the prices being mentioned.. or because of their injury records..

Shaquiri would of probably cost not much more the price Riera or Garcia cost us during Rafa's era..

Players from other european countries will be targeted, but if they cannot offer Champions League football long term where they currently play in, they may still struggle to sign them..

If they offer mega wads.. Like Man City did.. well... that arguably shows ambition.. You will see a bigger picture
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It really just boils down to money.

Clubs like West Ham and Stoke can now pay more in wages than all but about 10 continental clubs:

Real
Barca
Bayern
Wolfsburg
Dortmund
Juve
PSG

Actually after that, I'm struggling.
 
cloggypop said:
It'll probably ruin other leagues. Ajax have an average age of about 21 now. Similar for PSV and Feyenoord.
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If the Premier League does become competitive in itself, I can see that being the result.

That would then dilute the standard of European competitions.

You'd soon get the answer as to how much Champions League football is simply a code for more money, or whether players do really value the competition
 
Problem you have at the mo is players become difficult to move on.. The wages we pay are much higher than most clubs in Europe..

So you end up being stuck with average players on decent wages, as a club at their level in Europe would never be able to match what clubs in the premiership pay. The more money that comes into the premiership, the worse this will get.. So signing players with Potential.. can be somewhat 'very dangerous' in that respect..
 
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