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There is a problem in that the Lib Dems will have to put any agreement to a conference of their membership. The Lib Dems are the only party that takes any notice of what their members think. The Lib Dem membership are bearded types (that's just the women) who are all on a higher moral plane than the rest of us. They are notorious for passing high-minded resolutions that are an embarrassment to their leadership.
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There is a problem in that the Lib Dems will have to put any agreement to a conference of their membership. The Lib Dems are the only party that takes any notice of what their members think. The Lib Dem membership are bearded types (that's just the women) who are all on a higher moral plane than the rest of us. They are notorious for passing high-minded resolutions that are an embarrassment to their leadership.
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So the country has to bumble on until the Lib Dems sort out a conference?
LOL at the beard joke btw
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There is a problem in that the Lib Dems will have to put any agreement to a conference of their membership. The Lib Dems are the only party that takes any notice of what their members think. The Lib Dem membership are bearded types (that's just the women) who are all on a higher moral plane than the rest of us. They are notorious for passing high-minded resolutions that are an embarrassment to their leadership.
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So the country has to bumble on until the Lib Dems sort out a conference?
LOL at the beard joke btw
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40111.msg1103273#msg1103273 date=1273592146]
So the country has to bumble on until the Lib Dems sort out a conference?
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I think Richey is right - Cameron will do whatever he does to the Queen and will be appointed PM. The coalition (or whatever it is) will get started, leaving the parties to square the deal with their members in due course.
So the country has to bumble on until the Lib Dems sort out a conference?
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I think Richey is right - Cameron will do whatever he does to the Queen and will be appointed PM. The coalition (or whatever it is) will get started, leaving the parties to square the deal with their members in due course.
So if he hadn't resigned he could have stayed there forever?
I just hope the public give DC a chance even though he is going to fuck us up on taxes and cut the budgets in schools, NHS and police ETC.
I work on a large MOD IT project and I bet and hope in a funny way the sword is put on this waste of money.
I just hope the public don't listen to Milliband in 4 months time slating the cuts ETC and give DC the full term to sort us out and get us back in the pink-ish
I work on a large MOD IT project and I bet and hope in a funny way the sword is put on this waste of money.
I just hope the public don't listen to Milliband in 4 months time slating the cuts ETC and give DC the full term to sort us out and get us back in the pink-ish
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I work on a large MOD IT project and I bet and hope in a funny way the sword is put on this waste of money.
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The Government has a bad record on large IT projects, doesn't it? I have heard it suggested that the people making the decisions often don't understand how ambitious the projects actually are.
I work on a large MOD IT project and I bet and hope in a funny way the sword is put on this waste of money.
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The Government has a bad record on large IT projects, doesn't it? I have heard it suggested that the people making the decisions often don't understand how ambitious the projects actually are.
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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[quote author=Fox link=topic=40111.msg1103298#msg1103298 date=1273594311]
I work on a large MOD IT project and I bet and hope in a funny way the sword is put on this waste of money.
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The Government has a bad record on large IT projects, doesn't it? I have heard it suggested that the people making the decisions often don't understand how ambitious the projects actually are.
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But surely they use PRINCE2?
LOL
[quote author=Fox link=topic=40111.msg1103298#msg1103298 date=1273594311]
I work on a large MOD IT project and I bet and hope in a funny way the sword is put on this waste of money.
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The Government has a bad record on large IT projects, doesn't it? I have heard it suggested that the people making the decisions often don't understand how ambitious the projects actually are.
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But surely they use PRINCE2?
LOL
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40111.msg1103302#msg1103302 date=1273595235]
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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amen to that. that right there's all the reason to vote tory anyone with a brain should ever need to hear.
government spending should be as low as possible for one simple reason: they're fucking useless at it.
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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amen to that. that right there's all the reason to vote tory anyone with a brain should ever need to hear.
government spending should be as low as possible for one simple reason: they're fucking useless at it.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40111.msg1103302#msg1103302 date=1273595235]
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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amen to that. that right there's all the reason to vote tory anyone with a brain should ever need to hear.
government spending should be as low as possible for one simple reason: they're fucking useless at it.
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whereas the privately run banks are fucking amazing
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40111.msg1103302#msg1103302 date=1273595235]
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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amen to that. that right there's all the reason to vote tory anyone with a brain should ever need to hear.
government spending should be as low as possible for one simple reason: they're fucking useless at it.
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whereas the privately run banks are fucking amazing
[quote author=Fox link=topic=40111.msg1102642#msg1102642 date=1273518541]
If a lib dem man is in the cabinet will they be a Tory MP now then or remain Lib Dem
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Surely either a Condem or a Liberavative?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40111.msg1103316#msg1103316 date=1273598623]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=40111.msg1103310#msg1103310 date=1273597357]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40111.msg1103302#msg1103302 date=1273595235]
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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amen to that. that right there's all the reason to vote tory anyone with a brain should ever need to hear.
government spending should be as low as possible for one simple reason: they're fucking useless at it.
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whereas the privately run banks are fucking amazing
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Hey, don't knock it - the transport system is fucking *amazing* now, and once the rest of the NHS gets privatised we all be able to get ripped off really quickly, just as we do down the dentists
If a lib dem man is in the cabinet will they be a Tory MP now then or remain Lib Dem
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Surely either a Condem or a Liberavative?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40111.msg1103316#msg1103316 date=1273598623]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=40111.msg1103310#msg1103310 date=1273597357]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40111.msg1103302#msg1103302 date=1273595235]
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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amen to that. that right there's all the reason to vote tory anyone with a brain should ever need to hear.
government spending should be as low as possible for one simple reason: they're fucking useless at it.
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whereas the privately run banks are fucking amazing
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Hey, don't knock it - the transport system is fucking *amazing* now, and once the rest of the NHS gets privatised we all be able to get ripped off really quickly, just as we do down the dentists
Private sector and public sector people are both generally thick and waste money. All the really smart people are on the dole.
banks aren't private in spirit because the public sector can't allow them to fail due to the consequences for the wider economy. without the possibility of failure attitudes to risk are distorted.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40111.msg1103302#msg1103302 date=1273595235]
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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I have worked on mainly public sector IT projects for the last few years for all sorts of service providers and they are always the same. scope keeps changing, the public sector bosses take too long to make a decision or to implement anything on their side hence massive delays and budget overspends.
This happened on Afganistan, Iraq, E-borders, DIIF, NHS, ID cards, every and DWP project I can think of ETC ETC ETC
It is funny for a tory fan I am doing myself out of work as they will cut the IT projects and claim will use smaller firms rather than giving the projects to the same old big service companies who I have contracted for and keep messing them up (Dell, Fujitsu, HP, EDS, Logica, BT, EADS)
It always amazes me how much Labour have spent on IT projects. BSF (building schools for the future) is now the latest biggest waste of money.
I am glad I am off that one
That would be the doomed NHS IT project that doubled in cost to £12 billion
Funny that.
Large IT projects in the private sector get done, on time, on budget, quite often.
I suppose that's because nobody outside of the private sector has any fucking concept of cost, scope, viability, culpability, responsibility, the threat of being fired, or actually doing any work.
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I have worked on mainly public sector IT projects for the last few years for all sorts of service providers and they are always the same. scope keeps changing, the public sector bosses take too long to make a decision or to implement anything on their side hence massive delays and budget overspends.
This happened on Afganistan, Iraq, E-borders, DIIF, NHS, ID cards, every and DWP project I can think of ETC ETC ETC
It is funny for a tory fan I am doing myself out of work as they will cut the IT projects and claim will use smaller firms rather than giving the projects to the same old big service companies who I have contracted for and keep messing them up (Dell, Fujitsu, HP, EDS, Logica, BT, EADS)
It always amazes me how much Labour have spent on IT projects. BSF (building schools for the future) is now the latest biggest waste of money.
I am glad I am off that one
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40111.msg1103256#msg1103256 date=1273590531]
No surprise if it was that terrible oaf Ed Balls who fucked it up. Not sure if I recall correctly but didn't even Lefty say a while back that he hates him?
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He's a complete thug. No wonder he became Brown's acolyte - birds of a feather, and all that.
No surprise if it was that terrible oaf Ed Balls who fucked it up. Not sure if I recall correctly but didn't even Lefty say a while back that he hates him?
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He's a complete thug. No wonder he became Brown's acolyte - birds of a feather, and all that.
Sorry Foxy darling, can you tell me what type of project implementation methodology the British public sector uses for this kind of thing? I thought it was something called PRINCE2?
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40111.msg1103347#msg1103347 date=1273601207]
Sorry Foxy darling, can you tell me what type of project implementation methodology the British public sector uses for this kind of thing? I thought it was something called PRINCE2?
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It is normally princeII gene or a version of it used by the service provider. Problem is you can use all the best methodologies but if the scope keeps creeping and change controls constantly raised then the milestones will always move to the right. Public sector IT projects just don't seem to have a finite budget and can always find more
Sorry Foxy darling, can you tell me what type of project implementation methodology the British public sector uses for this kind of thing? I thought it was something called PRINCE2?
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It is normally princeII gene or a version of it used by the service provider. Problem is you can use all the best methodologies but if the scope keeps creeping and change controls constantly raised then the milestones will always move to the right. Public sector IT projects just don't seem to have a finite budget and can always find more
[quote author=Fox link=topic=40111.msg1103368#msg1103368 date=1273602664]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40111.msg1103347#msg1103347 date=1273601207]
Sorry Foxy darling, can you tell me what type of project implementation methodology the British public sector uses for this kind of thing? I thought it was something called PRINCE2?
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It is normally princeII gene or a version of it used by the service provider. Problem is you can use all the best methodologies but if the scope keeps creeping and change controls constantly raised then the milestones will always move to the right. Public sector IT projects just don't seem to have a finite budget and can always find more
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Thanks Fox.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40111.msg1103347#msg1103347 date=1273601207]
Sorry Foxy darling, can you tell me what type of project implementation methodology the British public sector uses for this kind of thing? I thought it was something called PRINCE2?
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It is normally princeII gene or a version of it used by the service provider. Problem is you can use all the best methodologies but if the scope keeps creeping and change controls constantly raised then the milestones will always move to the right. Public sector IT projects just don't seem to have a finite budget and can always find more
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Thanks Fox.
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