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Chris Coleman made good points yesterday re the change in rulings about holding onto players in the box during setpieces, and how it's more or less enforced zonal marking. It's a system we've never really coped that well with, going back as far as when Rafa was in charge.
I don't know how much of an effect that will have on the likes of Matip and Karius, but it's clear we're still really indecisive collectively when it comes to setpieces. Players are marking zones, too deep and all it takes is for a team to single out our weaker players and it spells trouble. We get out-muscled/jumped to the initial ball in and then because of our zonal setup, we sometimes fail to get to the second ball before the opposition player. Because we're marking zones, when a ball is whipped in the keeper is having to come for anything that looks like it's meeting an opposition player.
That said, there's absolutely no substitude for the intensity of a Premiership game, so no amount of training will really compensate for a lack of exposure to the game. He's had a couple of appearances so far and will hopefully learn a few lessons, become more familiar with his defense and then we can only hope he will start to adjust.
We've had several seasons now of having a pretty terrible defensive record, it'll take time to adjust. One thing I will say about yesterday is that it was a timely reminder that however industrious we have been in midfield lately, we've still got three relatively lightweight players in there, when the pressing game isn't working then we can't rely on genuine strength and presence to help us get a foot hold on the game. We also saw the old achiles heel exposed yesterday too - our expansive game leaving gaping holes infront of the backline, it was a free for all at times and against a better side we'd have been punished more severely for having an off day.
The worrying thing about Karius is the sheer indecisiveness, which has been the main thing exposing him. He always seems to watch the ball going past him (either wide or into the net) with a look of sheer hope as he's done neither one thing nor the other. Weirdly, he seems to look like an outfield player that's been put in goal as there's no sub.
There's one thing getting clattered on crosses and not being used to the physicality of the Premier League but I don't thing he's had any of that besides getting caught on one corner he flapped at, which I'm not even convinced he was hit.
Maybe its nerves from relative inexperience and I really hope he comes good, because Mignolet really isn't good enough.
There's one thing getting clattered on crosses and not being used to the physicality of the Premier League but I don't thing he's had any of that besides getting caught on one corner he flapped at, which I'm not even convinced he was hit.
Maybe its nerves from relative inexperience and I really hope he comes good, because Mignolet really isn't good enough.
'An outfield player who has been put in goal as there's no sub'
Hahahahaha. Oh dear.
You really know how to build up confidence and offer a reassuring word or two for those of us who have been a little ....er....underwhelmed with Karius so far
Hahahahaha. Oh dear.
You really know how to build up confidence and offer a reassuring word or two for those of us who have been a little ....er....underwhelmed with Karius so far
He's not really had a great deal to do so far in terms of making saves so we've not seen much of Karius the shot stopper.
His distribution has been pretty decent so that's good and on that front he's lived up to expectations.
The thing that came to mind though watching his performance against Swansea was this idea that he was meant to be super confident.
Did I make that up?
Either way, he didn't look it and that's one thing I was watching out for after a few seasons of watching a range of nervous and terrified expressions on Ming.
Hopefully we'll see an improvement.
His distribution has been pretty decent so that's good and on that front he's lived up to expectations.
The thing that came to mind though watching his performance against Swansea was this idea that he was meant to be super confident.
Did I make that up?
Either way, he didn't look it and that's one thing I was watching out for after a few seasons of watching a range of nervous and terrified expressions on Ming.
Hopefully we'll see an improvement.
Karius hasn't done much and needs more game time to be properly assessed. Our keepers are just not a dominant presence in the box. Lets hope that Karius performs to expectation and improves our defence as he is held in high esteem by Klopp. Everytime I see Mignolet flapI want to smash the tv. He has improved somewhat but needs to do much more to fight off Karius who is our great hope.
We have good individual defenders but the collective must be better than the sum of their parts. A few cleans sheets on the bounce will give us a much needed boost. Starting against the Scummers would be perfect!
We have good individual defenders but the collective must be better than the sum of their parts. A few cleans sheets on the bounce will give us a much needed boost. Starting against the Scummers would be perfect!
Look guys, it's not all that unusual for a normally confident player to go through a period of low confidence, especially when adjusting to new teammates and surroundings. I've seen Karius enough in Mainz to say confidently that he didn't look like himself in the game against Swansea. That's not his level and not his usual demeanor, full stop. His distribution is normally a lot better and the word "indecisive" is not at all what you would normally associate with Karius if you've seen him play.
Nobody knows if he will become the next Neuer or De Gea, but I can absolutely guarantee you that he will play with a lot more confidence and sharpness once he settles in.
Nobody knows if he will become the next Neuer or De Gea, but I can absolutely guarantee you that he will play with a lot more confidence and sharpness once he settles in.
I don't know what he'll do, but if he does decide to change I don't think that'll make him look indecisive. If he wants them to compete for the position that's bound to involve some switching.
Why are we always so quick to criticize and crucify, and so slow to encourage and build confidence ?
Football players aren't robots you know.
Football players aren't robots you know.
Fair question up to a point, but the pressure for success is enormous nowadays and top level footballers just have to be able to handle it.
Besides, we're about to play ManUre and that fixture will always be a "must win" game regardless of any other factors.
Besides, we're about to play ManUre and that fixture will always be a "must win" game regardless of any other factors.
Agreed. To be honest, given Klopp stated he'd re-evaluate after two games for Karius it'd be a inherently rational decision to reintroduce Mignolet based upon recent performances.
I think it's just clever PR by Klopp. He obviously knew that there'd be an international break after 2 matches. Only Mignolet gets an international call up while Karius stays back at Melwood to train with the squad leftovers, so this kinda weighs to the opinion that it's Karius's spot to lose if he can prove to the boss that Swansea was a mere blip.
Klopp doesn't print these posts out and read them to his players
You're right. He'd probably block/ignore you if he's loitering on here.
I think some people are confusing making a decision about the Utd game with some kind of never-ending criticism of Karius as a player long-term.
Do I think Mignolet is the better option right now for the Utd game? Yes
Do I think Karius is shit and will never make it with us? No
Do I think Mignolet is the better option right now for the Utd game? Yes
Do I think Karius is shit and will never make it with us? No
I dont really see why Ming should be recalled to the team. Karius hasnt been tested much and certainly hasnt played himself out of the team.
Karius flapped at a few crosses and looked nervous against Swansea. But I'd still stick with him against Utd.
Interesting to hear a former Premier league goalkeeper, Thorstvedt, talking about Karius and the Swansea game. Said it was a common tactic that whenever a new keeper played the tactics were always the same. Players were told to be even more aggressive, more tough and target them at every chance.
Nothing new that Karius struggled a bit at first. He also said stick with Karius.
Karius flapped at a few crosses and looked nervous against Swansea. But I'd still stick with him against Utd.
Interesting to hear a former Premier league goalkeeper, Thorstvedt, talking about Karius and the Swansea game. Said it was a common tactic that whenever a new keeper played the tactics were always the same. Players were told to be even more aggressive, more tough and target them at every chance.
Nothing new that Karius struggled a bit at first. He also said stick with Karius.
I do. Mignolet's faults don't need re-listing from me, but purely as a shot-stopper on his line he's one of the best around. I'm happy with the Karius signing but so far he hasn't proven himself to be one of the best around at anything, and this is ManU we're going to be playing.
I don't think there is any need to be overly cautious.
We have seen what Ming offers over the time, and i have no interest in going back to that. It seems people who say Ming must start are saying this to protect Karius more...what if he fails in a high pressure game etc etc. If he fails, he fails. That wont be the end of the road for him, if he is the keeper people say he is.
I want to see what he is made of.
We have seen what Ming offers over the time, and i have no interest in going back to that. It seems people who say Ming must start are saying this to protect Karius more...what if he fails in a high pressure game etc etc. If he fails, he fails. That wont be the end of the road for him, if he is the keeper people say he is.
I want to see what he is made of.
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Not all of us are saying that, kj. Buddha's recent post hits the nail on the head AFAIC:
When the time is right, to be decided by a combo of how the two of them go in training and which opponents are coming up.
You never know. Firmino's excellent form may be down to Klopp asking him to respond on the pitch to the poster who described him as a 'flabby, pointless melt'.
I heard he uses that as his inspiration.
I am pretty much split on who starts.
Mignolet has proven that ultimately he is not up for the role and of course Karius is pretty much unproven.
Regardless of who plays, I think they will both be targeted for their respective weaknesses, Mignolet for his hesitancy and indecision and Karius for his inexperience.
Glad its Klopp's call.
If Karius starts and comes through the game relatively unscathed, I can see Simon being restricted to a secondary role for the rest of the season.
If you are right about their performances in training, the fact that Mignolet is away on International duty might just give Karius the edge.
I'm gutted Karius is shit, sick of shit keepers. I'd still pick him over Ming though, that prick's atrocious.
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