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Why England will at least get to the World Cup Final....

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38882.msg1053495#msg1053495 date=1265877914]
I don't see how England can be beaten at the World Cup.

1. Rooney - best striker in the world at the moment.
2. Gerrard - Best midfielder in the world at the moment. He's backed up by greats such as Lampard, Gareth "miles better than Alonso" Barry, and also have players like Lennon and Joe Cole to call on.
3. The defence contains the two best centre halves in the world, you've got the best left back in the world and the best attacking right back in the world too.


What could go wrong ?
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Fuck off Ross.
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Relax John. It's in the bag already.

Argentina and Brazil look shit. France only made it in because they cheated. Germany aren't up to much and neither are the Italians. Spain are a danger, but the chances are Torres won't be fully fit so they'll be beatable.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38882.msg1053495#msg1053495 date=1265877914]
I don't see how England can be beaten at the World Cup.

1. Rooney - best striker in the world at the moment.
2. Gerrard - Best midfielder in the world at the moment. He's backed up by greats such as Lampard, Gareth "miles better than Alonso" Barry, and also have players like Lennon and Joe Cole to call on.
3. The defence contains the two best centre halves in the world, you've got the best left back in the world and the best attacking right back in the world too.


What could go wrong ?
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Ha.
 
I should add that the only thing that "could go wrong" would be another woeful refereeing decision that 'Cheats!' England out of a Semi-Final place.

But surely the fear of being hounded out of your Scandanavian home, issued death threats, and forced into retirement from refereeing professional games is enough to ensure most refs give England the benefit of the doubt this time around.

-crosses fingers-
 
England have had a "reason" or found soemone to blame in every tournament since 1970. It is rather embarrassing.

Most recently the ronaldo "winker" business... Completely ignoring the fact rooney stamped on someone.
 
Spot on George.

Alan Shearer: "I tell you what, if Ronaldo was my teammate, I'd punch him in training for that."

ROONEY STAMPED ON SOMEONE YOU TOOL.
 
And you've got the old "lottery of penalties" too of course which is often the "unlucky" way to go out. Lottery to losers maybe, I doubt Germany and Liverpool for example think the same. Why don't you put your fucking penalties in a corner and quit moaning.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38882.msg1053495#msg1053495 date=1265877914]
I don't see how England can be beaten at the World Cup.

1. Rooney - best striker in the world at the moment.
2. Gerrard - Best midfielder in the world at the moment. He's backed up by greats such as Lampard, Gareth "miles better than Alonso" Barry, and also have players like Lennon and Joe Cole to call on.
3. The defence contains the two best centre halves in the world, you've got the best left back in the world and the best attacking right back in the world too.


What could go wrong ?
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Fuck off Ross.
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Relax John. It's in the bag already.

Argentina and Brazil look shit. France only made it in because they cheated. Germany aren't up to much and neither are the Italians. Spain are a danger, but the chances are Torres won't be fully fit so they'll be beatable.
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This the same Brazil that sailed through qualification ?
 
Uh oh ...... it looks like I spoke too soon.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/11/ashley-cole-england-fabio-capello

Fabio Capello's World Cup preparations suffered a major setback tonight after the England left-back Ashley Cole, one of his proven world-class players, was ruled out for three months with a fractured ankle, leaving him only weeks to prove his fitness before the tournament begins.

"It is sad news for me because he is a very important player," the England coach said last night. "He is good when he is defending and really dangerous when we go forward. I hope this problem will not be so strong [serious]."

The injury to England's first-choice left-back increases the likelihood of Wayne Bridge and John Terry, whose relationship has been sundered by the Chelsea captain's alleged affair with Bridge's former girlfriend Vanessa Perroncel, starting alongside each other at this summer's World Cup. Asked about Cole's prospects of making the tournament the Chelsea manager, Carlo Ancelotti, told Sky last night: "I don't know. I hope so for him and for the England team."

Cole was forced off in the 57th minute of Chelsea's 2-1 defeat at Everton following a strong but fair challenge by Landon Donovan, the captain of the United States team who will provide England's first opponents in South Africa.

Chelsea's initial assessment at Goodison Park was that he had suffered "a slight problem", according to their assistant manager, Ray Wilkins, but scans today revealed the damage to be far worse. A statement released by the club confirmed that: "Ashley Cole suffered a fracture to his left ankle in last night's game against Everton and is expected to be out of action for approximately three months."

Given the dearth of options at left-back, it is almost certain the England manager will put Bridge's professionalism to the test with a call-up for the friendly against Egypt at Wembley on 3 March. Capello also has worries over the fitness of his new captain, Rio Ferdinand, whose back has been a cause of concern.

England are expected to play two other friendlies before the World Cup, against Mexico at Wembley on 24 May and Japan at their pre-tournament training camp on 29 or 30 May, although the Football Association has yet to confirm either fixture.

Capello has made it clear he will not follow the Sven-Goran Eriksson route of taking unfit players to a World Cup, leaving Cole with a struggle to prove himself before the England squad depart for their training base in Rustenburg on 2 June. Bridge's international career appeared to be fading under the Italian, who briefly tried James Milner in the role, until he produced an encouraging display in the friendly defeat by Brazil in Qatar in November.

Other candidates include Aston Villa's Stephen Warnock, although he is not expected to return from a shin injury until the Carling Cup final three days before the Egypt game, and the in-form but uncapped Everton defender Leighton Baines.

Based on Chelsea's assessment of a three-month absence, Cole will not feature in the club's title challenge again this season, with their Premier League campaign due to close at home against Wigan Athletic on 9 May. The only way Cole can take part in a competitive fixture before England open their World Cup campaign on 12 June will be if Chelsea reach the FA Cup final on 15 May or the Champions League final in Madrid a week later.

Cole's injury represents a huge setback to Chelsea's ambitions, with their lead in the Premier League cut to one point by Manchester United yesterday and with José Mourinho's Internazionale to come in the Champions League in under a fortnight. Though Ancelotti can deploy Yuri Zhirkov and Paulo Ferreira at left-back, the loss of a player fundamental to Chelsea's system will be keenly felt. "We are very disappointed because he's a very important player for us," said Ancelotti. "Now we have to do our best to get him recovered quickly, although we have Yuri, who is a fantastic full-back, so we can use him."

Only last week the Chelsea manager had said: "It's difficult to find a full-back like Ashley. This year he's scored three goals and, for us, it's important what he's doing. He's doing important work because I need for our play to have a full-back who pushes up."

Ancelotti was responding to claims from the Manchester City manager, Roberto Mancini, that Bridge was the best full-back in England. "That's his opinion. I agree with Capello. He puts Ashley in the team," countered the Chelsea manager, but ironically the City player dragged into the Terry scandal now has a glorious chance to secure a place in South Africa.
 
A thread about England and the World Cup, why on earth are all the Oirish posting in it??
 
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A thread about England and the World Cup, why on earth are all the Oirish posting in it??
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Would you marry an Irish girl?
 
England no doubt have the players to win the WC but whether they do is an entirely different story. Capello has given them discipline and mental strength but the margins for error in international competition are so small, that any team can win on a given day.

This is going to be a great WC. I'm looking forward to it.
 
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I've genuinely never noticed this 'Fraser' character before. 400 posts too, cripes.

Anyway, welcome Fraser.
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I have just changed my username to Fraser which is more memorable - see my footnote:

Formely unknown as Rafanomenon, soon to be unknown as Fraser!

Thought I might get a bit more personal rather than be so anonymous - I have also only had my avatar for about 2 hours!!
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I remember you as Rafanomenon.
Good luck with the new arrival, and I hope your other son(?) is also doing well.

England won't win the world cup, of course they won't quarter finals probably
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I'm impressed Asim - you have a good memory!!

He is doing fine thanks, small steps but he is progressing. On a purely selfish note I feel better about his future now he has a brother or sister on the way.
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🙂 well you know I do try.
 
[quote author=H link=topic=38882.msg1053896#msg1053896 date=1265966430]
A thread about England and the World Cup, why on earth are all the Oirish posting in it??
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Because we want to.
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I used to begin every tournament wishing England the best. 5 minutes into the first game Motty mentions 1966 and the good will evaporates instantaneously.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38882.msg1054188#msg1054188 date=1266009583]
I used to begin every tournament wishing England the best. 5 minutes into the first game Motty mentions 1966 and the good will evaporates instantaneously.
[/quote]Its not our fault we won the fucker Doc.m, it's the same with Gerry Amrstrong In 1982 and Ray Houghton in 1994, those things are remembered as stand out moments for the other nations, it's just the way it is.
 
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38882.msg1053629#msg1053629 date=1265898312]
England have the best chance they have had of winning it since 66.

Still don't think they have what it takes to go all the way though.
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Huh? What is it now that gives us a better chance at this stage than in say 1970, 1986 and 1990?
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Capello as manager, a venue which will suit us weather-wise, and greater weakness among some of our competitors (notably the Argies and Germany) than has usually been the case before.
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Exactly.

Shit nations and Capello tip it heavily in your favour!
 
Iike how this Irish v England thing is starting to kick off ever so slightly. It'll be Scm's first world cup too, I think, so there will be plenty of banter flying about.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38882.msg1054188#msg1054188 date=1266009583]
I used to begin every tournament wishing England the best. 5 minutes into the first game Motty mentions 1966 and the good will evaporates instantaneously.
[/quote]Its not our fault we won the fucker Doc.m, it's the same with Gerry Amrstrong In 1982 and Ray Houghton in 1994, those things are remembered as stand out moments for the other nations, it's just the way it is.
[/quote]Get the boat Herr, the beeb cream on about 66 to a ridiculous level. Always a remark in commentary, always discussed pre & post match during the tournament. They make Sky look icy when it comes to romanticising past achievements.
 
Of course they will. They're English, and talking about the World Cup. 1966 will inevitably come up.

This site is named after a moment in a game when Liverpool won a European Cup. Is it really that different? (a genuine question)
 
I think that this English side could very well be genuine contenders this summer... They have some of the world's best players in some very important areas on the pitch: Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, J. Cole and even Defoe is having a great season.

I do think that there are two things that may well hinder you, though - Your spine, though filled with the above named talent, is too similar... Terry and Ferdinand are very similar type players, as are Gerrard and Lampard and even Rooney and Defoe. And I worry about your goalies. All of them.

At a time when nobody is enormously intimidating, though a "clicking" Spain will be hard to stop, I think this English team has the best chance since Gazza cried. And you probably should have won that one...

Oh, and congrats to Fraser and his missus - Hope all goes well for you, mate.
 
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I used to begin every tournament wishing England the best. 5 minutes into the first game Motty mentions 1966 and the good will evaporates instantaneously.
[/quote]Its not our fault we won the fucker Doc.m, it's the same with Gerry Amrstrong In 1982 and Ray Houghton in 1994, those things are remembered as stand out moments for the other nations, it's just the way it is.
[/quote]Get the boat Herr, the beeb cream on about 66 to a ridiculous level. Always a remark in commentary, always discussed pre & post match during the tournament. They make Sky look icy when it comes to romanticising past achievements.
[/quote]What would you have them talk about? I think you'll find that when Brazil are on they talk about Pele and Argentina they talk about Maradonna....at least I assume youre talking about the football programmes.
It's British tv mate of course they'll talk about the only time they won it.
Anyway, I can't be bothered arguing about it, it's a ridiculous argument. If you don't want England to win because you don't want to hear about it on the news, fine so be it.
 
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I used to begin every tournament wishing England the best. 5 minutes into the first game Motty mentions 1966 and the good will evaporates instantaneously.
[/quote]Its not our fault we won the fucker Doc.m, it's the same with Gerry Amrstrong In 1982 and Ray Houghton in 1994, those things are remembered as stand out moments for the other nations, it's just the way it is.
[/quote]Get the boat Herr, the beeb cream on about 66 to a ridiculous level. Always a remark in commentary, always discussed pre & post match during the tournament. They make Sky look icy when it comes to romanticising past achievements.
[/quote]What would you have them talk about? I think you'll find that when Brazil are on they talk about Pele and Argentina they talk about Maradonna....at least I assume youre talking about the football programmes.
It's British tv mate of course they'll talk about the only time they won it.
Anyway, I can't be bothered arguing about it, it's a ridiculous argument. If you don't want England to win because you don't want to hear about it on the news, fine so be it.
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The Irish are so bitter I'm surprised they don't support Everton 😉
 
I'm not bitter, Spoin. I'd like to see England win it for Gerrard & Johnson, I'd also like to see Spain win it for Torres, Reina & Reira. It'd be great to have some WC winners at the club.

Herr, I'm not arguing mate. Of course they are going to highlight the fact they have won the world cup. They're proud of it and why shouldn't they be? It is an incredible acheivement. The main problem I have is the amount of times it get mentioned. I was watching England play a friendly match a couple of years back and it was as meaningless as they come really. The commentator spoke about the spirit of 66 three or four times in the first half alone. Too much. It isn't an isolated incident either.
 
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It'd be great to have some WC winners at the club.

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I agree mate.

It would be fantastic to see Torres, Pepe and Riera come back with winners medals.
 
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