Wernot gonna get him

[Peatcheo]

FSG have never really flexed their financial muscles though have they, we have often sold to buy, and we have bought extremely well up to now.

The thing I am worried about is that three of the most exciting talents in world football in Havertz, Werner, and Sancho are probably going to end up to rival premiership teams, whilst we do not strengthen. We have been lucky with injuries, and the AFCON is in 2021 taking away two of our best players. It is mental to not bring in someone of a high ability.

 

[tomasjj]

Our valuation drastically changed the last 4 months I guess.
But we do need a forward, so fingers crossed we got one who is ready to start about 30-40% of our games.

 

[tombrown]

The Firm haven't spoken yet ... other than a cryptic "WOW! #LFC" tweet yesterday afternoon, so I'll wait to base my judgement on the truth they bring us

 

[manwithnoname]

FSG have proven their willingness to go a very long way in backing Klopp and the club. Perhaps what might have happened here was that Edwards and his team settled on a valuation, Leipzig wouldn't accept it and Klopp asked for permission to go a bit above it but FSG said no. If so, I'm OK with that given our record on transfers lately.

It ain't over till it's over though. Look at the shenanigans surrounding the Virgil transfer before we got that over the line. Watch this space.

Hahahahaha. As if.

 

[manwithnoname]

FSG have never really flexed their financial muscles though have they, we have often sold to buy, and we have bought extremely well up to now.

The thing I am worried about is that three of the most exciting talents in world football in Havertz, Werner, and Sancho are probably going to end up to rival premiership teams, whilst we do not strengthen. We have been lucky with injuries, and the AFCON is in 2021 taking away two of our best players. It is mental to not bring in someone of a high ability.

All of this.

Trying to lowball targets and do things on the cheap, the latest being Werner lost to fucking Chelsea, because we tried to redraw the finances based on COVID-19.

Again: fucking embarrassing.

 

[Peatcheo]

All of this.

Trying to lowball targets and do things on the cheap, the latest being Werner lost to fucking Chelsea, because we tried to redraw the finances based on COVID-19.

Again: fucking embarrassing.

What's crazy is that according to that tweet (pinch of salt obv) they rate Werner the highest of the three, and he is the cheapest, yet we still can't afford him.

It is fucking mental that the club, clearly for a second year running, have no budget for transfers.

 

[The Nomad]

What's crazy is that according to that tweet (pinch of salt obv) they rate Werner the highest of the three, and he is the cheapest, yet we still can't afford him.

It is fucking mental that the club, clearly for a second year running, have no budget for transfers.

Yet we are still trying to sell Shaqiri for £30m

Tells you all you need to know. Edward's is great when it comes off, but this feels like a bad move thinking we could go under his release clause. I said a few weeks ago that it was doomed to fail that strategy.

 

[manwithnoname]

What's crazy is that according to that tweet (pinch of salt obv) they rate Werner the highest of the three, and he is the cheapest, yet we still can't afford him.

It is fucking mental that the club, clearly for a second year running, have no budget for transfers.

Mental? Hmmm. Embarrassing and highly suspicious?

Yep.

I mean, I was furious that Minimoto was our only signing in 18 months, while so many media insiders and others seemed delighted; how this was a masterstroke and an act of genius, and not exactly what it actually was: an average player for a pittance and a clear sign of a disinterest in investing in the squad when it was strong.

They're going to continue doing it, too.

We all know that our two biggest signings were only affordable because of the incredible fee we got for Coutinho. Then we paid £50m or whatever for Keita. Maybe that disaster has put them off, but it makes me very angry that we could have put that money towards a player in a position we desperately need.
Shambolic

 

[HC]

Poor the Tammy Abraham

 

[Mors]

Poor the Tammy Abraham

Lets see how the club are about the homegrown youth players now the transfer ban is lifted.

 

[Farkmaster]

It could be embarassing. It depends on

1) Whether hes that generational talent type of signing that our management talks about, or just worth it at the release clause.
2) Whether because of covid his release clause went from a low floor that represented value, to something higher than a new market price.
3) we have valid alternatives

 

[Halmeister]

Said it a while ago that I doubt we'll be signing anyone. We haven't really spent much at the best of times without sales funding our purchases under FSG, but this pandemic has clearly hit us in the nads. We're skint.

I do trust Klopp, and FSG to a certain extent, but like GK Macca said, Salah, Mane and Firmino are all around 28/29. We need to start thinking about who's going to be replacing them.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

i just hope this doesn't have Klopp feeling, "You guys aren't backing me really - maybe it's time you try your luck with that Palace manager again?"

 

[Frogfish]

I thought it was about the pay and the chances to start?

Werner has already said he's more than happy to bide his time as he knows how good our front three are. I think it was that attitude that sold Klopp on him.
However it seems it's now also about the money. Trying to get value for money is one thing however he is 24 years old and banging them in season after season in a good league. It seems penny-pinching to me so I wonder what really went / is going on.

I can only hope somehow we still get him or else he goes and flops at Chelsea, because if he turns out to be as good as most seem to think he will then we are going to be kicking ourselves silly for trying to save a few quid.

 

[737Max]

If you do the maths it’s not just the £53m transfer fee. Chelsea are paying him £9m a season times by 5 years and that’s £45m.
His agent is also being paid £12m for the deal.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Werner has already said he's more than happy to bide his time as he knows how good our front three are. I think it was that attitude that sold Klopp on him.
However it seems it's now also about the money. Trying to get value for money is one thing however he is 24 years old and banging them in season after season in a good league. It seems penny-pinching to me so I wonder what really went / is going on.

I can only hope somehow we still get him or else he goes and flops at Chelsea, because if he turns out to be as good as most seem to think he will then we are going to be kicking ourselves silly for trying to save a few quid.

The athletic reckon it's FFP that drove them to sell & we aren't prepared to buy now, cos klopp wanted to bed him in during afcon & now that is almost certainly being pushed back to 22.

 

[Frogfish]

The athletic reckon it's FFP that drove them to sell & we aren't prepared to buy now, cos klopp wanted to bed him in during afcon & now that is almost certainly being pushed back to 22.

That seems very weak reasoning to me. Wanting to bed him in during AFCON ? That's downright weird and not sure a similar thought process applied to our other 'star' players.

I can only think it was salary/agent's demands that sunk this ship.

 

[Halmeister]

And the fact we're skint.

 

[manwithnoname]

The athletic reckon it's FFP that drove them to sell & we aren't prepared to buy now, cos klopp wanted to bed him in during afcon & now that is almost certainly being pushed back to 22.

Bollocks. Weak, FSG cock-sucking bollocks, from...oh yeah, and Echo writer

 

[HC]

Why are people losing their shite ?

Why are people shocked were still operating under the same financial model we have done since day one with FSG?

We dont have Chelsea's buying power and never will whilst
FSG own the club.The situation is a strange one, I can't imagine £40/50m over 5 years being a deal breaker for the club , I'm sure they were braced for a similar cost prior to covid 19 , I do trust Klopp and Edwards immensely , so it's a fucking shame Werner won't be in red but I trust there'll be contingencies and what not in place.

Saw the independent peddling the idea that were keeping tabs on Sancho , can't see that happening at twice the Werner money but heyho

The league title will soften the blow of no big signings this summer , if that is the case

 

[The Nomad]

Why are people losing their shite ?

Why are people shocked were still operating under the same financial model we have done since day one with FSG?

We dont have Chelsea's buying power and never will whilst
FSG own the club.The situation is a strange one, I can't imagine £40/50m over 5 years being a deal breaker for the club , I'm sure they were braced for a similar cost prior to covid 19 , I do trust Klopp and Edwards immensely , so it's a fucking shame Werner won't be in red but I trust there'll be contingencies and what not in place.

Saw the independent peddling the idea that were keeping tabs on Sancho , can't see that happening at twice the Werner money but heyho

The league title will soften the blow of no big signings this summer , if that is the case

People are losing their shite because we don't want to be a 1 title every 30 years club. We want to be back on our perch for good.

And the only way that happens is via continuous improvement. Not sticking with the same starting XI every year.

 

[dmishra]

It kinda sucks given the position we're in, but FGS aren't going to pump major money into the club. The 18/19 accounts show there's a 150 million interest-free loan to the club that's still to be be paid (in addition to a small bank debt), so the lizards are unlikely to put in more unless that's repaid. There's also that 60 million Kirkby project - not sure if FSG are funding that themselves.

I think their financial strategy was that commercial, broadcasting and matchday revenue would keep growing given our success, and that (along with any player sales) would have fund new transfers and any rise in the wage bill.

Covid will badly bludgeon that revenue over the next 2 years. I think a 30-40% reduction in revenue is very probable.

In short, our transfer spending is fucked.

I reckon the best we can hope for is that we sell Shaqiri, Wilson, Grujic for about 30-40 million, and re-invest that.

 

[Halmeister]

Someone has changed the FSG wiki page, the sad little cretins.

 

[HC]

People are losing their shite because we don't want to be a 1 title every 30 years club. We want to be back on our perch for good.

And the only way that happens is via continuous improvement. Not sticking with the same starting XI every year.

Sure but are we assuming Salah,mane and firmino aren't good enough to lead us to more titles ?

Strange reasoning if so, granted there would've been afcon but that'll be shelved so, it's not the end of the world and after our performances this season we are still favourites for next season , Werner or not .

 

[RedStar]

Why is everybody assuming a competition that takes place in 7 months will not go ahead because of coronavirus even though the premier league is resuming competition in 2 weeks?

 

[King Binny]

On one hand, the front trio are in their prime. On the other, they are all 28/29 yrs old. It's a challenge to replace/find a successor for one, let alone three. Gini, Henderson and VVD are of the same age range too. I think the concern (at least for most fans) is the seemingly "if it aint broke don't fix it" mentality may be hurtful in the long run. That, + our long standing interest in Werner + release clause fee + a rival being strengthened = huge dismay

 

[Halmeister]

Yeah, we don't really have the next group of players coming through that can sustain our success. A year or two left at the top for our core and spine of our team. If FSG don't spend that much money, who's next after Mane, Salah, Virgil, Firmino, Hendo, Gini start to dip? Elliott? Jones? I don't know.

 

[Silver Sean]

Bit gutted as he looks mint. But no way we should be paying higher wages to him than any of the front three. This is on his agent. Fuck that.
Klopp and these owners have got us in the best position we've been in world football since Heysel.
Fuck the doubters. I'm sure if he'd wanted him, Klopp would have got him.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

Already seen a bunch of FSG out floating around which is absurd, think people are just a bit gutted we don't have a shiny new toy to play with

 

[gkmacca]

Some reporters don't seem to be able to think about the market as a whole. One said, 'Clubs will be looking to sell players rather than signing any players'. Well if clubs aren't buying players, who do they sell them to? Duh. We're in the same position as any other summer, mutatis mutandis, in terms of transfers - we need to buy some and sell some. And this time, regardless of the still-largely speculative effects of covid, we need to decide if we want to go forwards or slide backwards, because we certainly have to buy to move forward. I can't believe FSG are stupid enough, after the huge struggle to get this club back to the top, to think otherwise.