Wernot gonna get him
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Unless we're in a worse financial position than most clubs, which would be very troubling given our recent spending history.
Worse than very troubling. It would surely be downright scandalous. We've just agreed a huge deal with Nike, we've won prize money for the Champions League and we're about to get more from winning the PL. Yet we appear to be acting like bloody Norwich!
No, they won the World Series twice and have invested heavily in player contracts numerous times (it's not like footy when you 'pay' for players though)
Why buy a cheese burger when we’re getting prime rib.
I really hope we hear something positive from Klopp on this as if the club haven't backed his judgement then there will be fallout from that.
On the financial side of things, for a club like LFC, reduced transfer spending would be the obvious way to cushion the losses from the virus and we'll be taking a bigger hit on the media revenue than anyone else in the league given our position and how often we're on TV (plus drop-off in Champions League). Clubs lower down the table will not lose out as much, but as they don't always spend a lot on transfers I expect to see them having to go into debt or sell to balance the books - basically anyone who isn't sitting on a significant cash / bank borrowing cushion is going to have to balance the books through sales and / or reduced spending. I doubt we have much wiggle room outside the transfer budget - year end accounts can be misleading as to what they typical debt levels are during the year and there's a good chance we get close to our limit at various pinch points.
Only the sugar-daddy clubs will be able to do what they like - Chelsea would be mad not to take advantage of that if Abramovich is willing to fund it and they probably think they can get away with FFP either because UEFA will have to allow some leeway (otherwise a lot of "compliant" clubs would be in breach as well) or else because they think they can make some profits on sales to plug the gap (wasn't Jorginho rumoured to be leaving?).
I still think the reason we didn't spend last summer is that we had the training ground to pay for and that still isn't finished (plus with a short pre-season it's going to be a logistical nightmare moving, by the way). I'm confident FSG will give Klopp all the cash they can but I wouldn't want to be in the position of estimating how much that would be right now.
Final point is that I do believe the rumours that the player would have been happy to stay at Leipzig if we weren't in for him this summer. I could well believe Leipzig needing to sell and it's telling that Chelsea have supposedly had to offer him a shed-load of cash to go there - can't believe for a minute he'd have been on more than the existing front three if he'd come here, especially if he expected to play the waiting game before getting into the team.
Not saying I fully buy the cover story, and won't until we hear from Klopp, but I do think there could be something in it.
On the financial side of things, for a club like LFC, reduced transfer spending would be the obvious way to cushion the losses from the virus and we'll be taking a bigger hit on the media revenue than anyone else in the league given our position and how often we're on TV (plus drop-off in Champions League). Clubs lower down the table will not lose out as much, but as they don't always spend a lot on transfers I expect to see them having to go into debt or sell to balance the books - basically anyone who isn't sitting on a significant cash / bank borrowing cushion is going to have to balance the books through sales and / or reduced spending. I doubt we have much wiggle room outside the transfer budget - year end accounts can be misleading as to what they typical debt levels are during the year and there's a good chance we get close to our limit at various pinch points.
Only the sugar-daddy clubs will be able to do what they like - Chelsea would be mad not to take advantage of that if Abramovich is willing to fund it and they probably think they can get away with FFP either because UEFA will have to allow some leeway (otherwise a lot of "compliant" clubs would be in breach as well) or else because they think they can make some profits on sales to plug the gap (wasn't Jorginho rumoured to be leaving?).
I still think the reason we didn't spend last summer is that we had the training ground to pay for and that still isn't finished (plus with a short pre-season it's going to be a logistical nightmare moving, by the way). I'm confident FSG will give Klopp all the cash they can but I wouldn't want to be in the position of estimating how much that would be right now.
Final point is that I do believe the rumours that the player would have been happy to stay at Leipzig if we weren't in for him this summer. I could well believe Leipzig needing to sell and it's telling that Chelsea have supposedly had to offer him a shed-load of cash to go there - can't believe for a minute he'd have been on more than the existing front three if he'd come here, especially if he expected to play the waiting game before getting into the team.
Not saying I fully buy the cover story, and won't until we hear from Klopp, but I do think there could be something in it.
We’re probably not willing to spend 200 bags a week on back up to Salah, Mané and Mbappe.
I don't think people are expecting us to splurge a lot of money but we have qualified for CL pretty much every season other than the first under Klopp. Two out of the three times, we have reached the final. Our commercial deals are at their highest, or that is what they say. We have barely spent the last three transfer windows and it looks like this window will be the same. Our last big purchases were funded by Coutinho.
I think everyone understands we have to live within our means but at the same time, it is a bit frustrating that we are not able to build upon our successes. This squad has delivered 90 plus seasons in two consecutive years. With a couple of decent backup purchases, this squad is capable of delivering the treble and sustaining the success for a few more years.
Football manager addicts getting upset I suspect, life isn't like football manager though... Since we had Klopp at the helm we seem to have made excellent decisions so I'll trust in Klopp. Also if Werner really wanted to be here he could have waited so that also speaks for his determination to be a Liverpool player.
They won in 2003, 2007, 2013 and 2018 under FSG, with a couple of rough seasons thrown in too (all according to Wiki as I know SFA about baseball).
Didn't they just get caught in that cheating scandal?
After initially being extremely gutted about Werner. I am wondering if this will open the door for Wilson, Brewster and Elliot to break into the first team next year.
For that, I wouldn't be too disheartened. Although Werner is the finished product, to have 2 or 3 of our own break through would be extra sweet.
For that, I wouldn't be too disheartened. Although Werner is the finished product, to have 2 or 3 of our own break through would be extra sweet.
On reflection, I think the whole timing of the release clause was obviously an issue as well. There's just a huge amount of uncertainty at the moment.
We've only just tentatively agreed to re-start the season, and with the massive revenue loss that has already occurred, I think apart from the sugar daddy clubs, everyone's just waiting to see how the chips fall in the next couple of months.
The first order of things is to get the season started and hopefully completed. The club obviously wants to focus on first securing that title, and getting some of the revenue streams going again. If and once that happens, the club might start feeling a little more relaxed.
It'll then be agreeing on a date for the start of next season, and discussions on when it'll be safe to get crowds back again. Just too many uncertainties right now from a revenue perspective to pay a large release fee.
There'll also be the issue of the transfer market settling into some sort of post-Covid equilibirum. Chelsea and PSG might shell out 50 million, but clubs who aren't owner funded will be very circumspect, and I do think there'll be a general reduction in player prices across the board. I suspect that we will wait and watch before we decide to dive into that market.
We've only just tentatively agreed to re-start the season, and with the massive revenue loss that has already occurred, I think apart from the sugar daddy clubs, everyone's just waiting to see how the chips fall in the next couple of months.
The first order of things is to get the season started and hopefully completed. The club obviously wants to focus on first securing that title, and getting some of the revenue streams going again. If and once that happens, the club might start feeling a little more relaxed.
It'll then be agreeing on a date for the start of next season, and discussions on when it'll be safe to get crowds back again. Just too many uncertainties right now from a revenue perspective to pay a large release fee.
There'll also be the issue of the transfer market settling into some sort of post-Covid equilibirum. Chelsea and PSG might shell out 50 million, but clubs who aren't owner funded will be very circumspect, and I do think there'll be a general reduction in player prices across the board. I suspect that we will wait and watch before we decide to dive into that market.
The only thing I worry about is if klopp gets pissed about it, plus i think they wanted to push for a sell now before the inevitable economic collapse
Very good post. I wouldn't be surprised if we buy no one this transfer window or do something like offer Lallana, a one-year extension. Wait till the next break, where we have a better idea of AFCON, revenue streams, overall transfer market, and then think of investing in players.
Isn’t Lallana signing for Leicester?
I just wish we hadn't wasted the last year talking about the fucker signing for us.
I really think this is one of the most important transfer summers in our modern history. So I guess: our entire history. Chelski have already given us scares and they're exploiting their circumstances to strengthen all over the team. Both mancs will go nuts to strengthen, one way or another. And Arsenal will find a way to strengthen. FSG cannot be allowed think we'll 'be okay'. To end thirty years of hell only to basically step back and tell everyone else, 'okay, catch us up while we have a nap,' jeez, no matter what good things FSG have done, that wil be a damning offence. In fact an act of sabotage.
Hearing afcon maybe my move to 2022
Along with new training.comkec and anfield rd extension (a yr lster, than expected). Could be worse and spurs I guess in light of their 175m loan and Jose in charge.
Why is Brendan banned?
If we can't afford Werner, there's no way we'll be able to afford Sancho. Even if we could, I doubt we'd be in for him. It's not really the type of signing I can see us making.
If the word was that we weren't interested in Werner, that's one thing. The powers that be have shown enough judgment to have their player assessment trusted.
But to want to sign him and dicker about the price when he is arguably undervalued doesnt make sense to me.
And yes, wages and agent fees could be a contributor. But would paying our front 3 a bit more when they next renegotiate really be that terrible? If we dont, they'll eventually be off anyways.
We should be adding from a position of strength, not waiting until we have a desperate need.
But to want to sign him and dicker about the price when he is arguably undervalued doesnt make sense to me.
And yes, wages and agent fees could be a contributor. But would paying our front 3 a bit more when they next renegotiate really be that terrible? If we dont, they'll eventually be off anyways.
We should be adding from a position of strength, not waiting until we have a desperate need.
I'm not sure I want Sancho anyway. The talent is there, but he's consistently getting fined for petty incidents. Seems like he may be disruptive in the long run.
Didn't some clever dick say all that recently and warned people not to be surprised we lose out on players over money ?
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