Agree. Especially if Clyne is on the mend
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Not like you to fall in to the hyperbole nonsense....
... but since you did.
Spurs are a Kane injury away from 8th.
Chelsea are a Morata or Hazard injury away from 8th.
Man Utd are a couple of injures away from Jesse Lingard being their attacking fulcrum.
Oh no it isn't.
Making a video of a ceremonial burning and posting it on YouTube is another alternative.
The above cases you have highlighted is not precise. Spurs will have issues if Kane is injured but there are other players in their team that can score and their is pace in those sides. Chelsea - that Brazillian 70's hairdo - can score for them, and Jesse Lingard has been doing quiet well, and they also have loads of pace.
@Ryan is correct though - we all know the story of last season when Mane was away, even Coutinho could not plug that hole, if either of Salah or Mane get injured we are fucked proper. Would have felt better if Origi was still with us.
Yeah but I don't give a fuck about them.
I'm only reporting the story you English cunt!
Spurs did pretty well without Kane last time he got injured, didn't they?
We know this team though and it all it takes is one or two setbacks and we're in trouble.
It's fairly likely that there aren't really any great (value) signings we can make now because teams don't tend to sell their best players in January.
The whole thing is a mess.
We know this team though and it all it takes is one or two setbacks and we're in trouble.
It's fairly likely that there aren't really any great (value) signings we can make now because teams don't tend to sell their best players in January.
The whole thing is a mess.
That's the issue isn't it ? The starting 10 (not including goalkeer) players (minus VVD) - is the best we can do. There ain't no speed demon, creative genie on the bench for us - that is our best lot. No reserves for us. I mean Milner is aging, lalana and hendo are a bunch of cripples in rehab mode.
I don't know that.
We've had a better record without Coutinho this season.
Look how Arsenal did this weekend without Sanchez.
Teams can lose their best players and improve. Might sound stupid, but it happens often.
We've rotated frequently this season, more than any team in the league and despite resting all our players, injuries and big players missing plenty of games due to various reasons we're still in the Top Four. We're on an unbeaten run for 17 or 18 games.
So I really don't agree with that post or the idea that we'll crumble with one or two injuries. History suggests, that's not true based on last season and this season when we've missed these players.
You would have thought it's a team game not an individual one!
Totally agree with nearly every point @LFD - but one of the keys to all this is that we have always had one of Salah or Mane to help us. I have never bought into the Coutinho was our best player - last season proved that when Mane had to fuck to Africa for that tournament. We hardly won a game - my view is that our team is ruthless and at its best with the two speedsters up front otherwise we are in trouble. I wouldn't mind if Klopp took a punt on a player with pace to keep in the side spare winger or front man who has an eye for goal - that's all.
All three of those clubs have bought, or are buying attackers (Sanchez, Dzeko, and likely Malcolm) to lessen that risk this very month - so your argument's not great mate.
We're not in an unusual predicament. Look at this snippet about Spurs - there are more deals now for the summer than there are for now.
Tottenham want to sign another attacking player on loan and have been chasing three youngsters — Malcom, Ryan Sessegnon and Richarlison — none of whom is expected to be allowed to join this month. The north London club are likely to look to agree a deal for Sessegnon and allow him to stay at Fulham on loan while Malcom’s future is clouded by interest from Arsenal, who have said it would be difficult to sign him this month.
Wenger says that decision to keep Sanchez in the summer adversely affected the squad. Klopp to his credit managed to avoid this with Coutinho from August to January, but probably felt that continuing like this was too much of a risk. Also, unlike Wenger we got £142M for the player.
I don't think you can take managers at their word when it comes to things like this.
Arsenal are what, 6th? The Sanchez distraction is a convenient excuse. He may have been more bullish if Arsenal were sitting pretty in 3rd or whatever.
As for no regrets, right...
Arsenal are what, 6th? The Sanchez distraction is a convenient excuse. He may have been more bullish if Arsenal were sitting pretty in 3rd or whatever.
As for no regrets, right...
Yeah - but look who Chelsea are trying to sign - Carrol, Dzecko, etc - that's pure desperation - and short term at that.
Sanchez - so expensive even City walked away.
Are Spurs signing anyone - don't really know.
Arsenal are all over the place.
I'm not suggesting Coutinho shouldn't be replaced, but same issue as last year - it seems the players we are willing to spend big on aren't available.
I'll add to that - the whole - let's buy in case we get injuries - that just isn't a thing.
I think we'll all agree that selling Coutinho isn't a stunningly great idea - but neither would replacing him with whoever we can get our hands on.
It does seem, many of these mooted moves might not be happening.
Whilst I broadly agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't sell someone we would ideally like to keep unless we have a replacement lined up, didn't Klopp say that his impression was that whilst Coutinho played well in the first half of the season, if he didn't get his Barcelona move in January he couldn't be counted on for the rest of the season? I dunno if he meant coutinho would down tools, or become terminally depressed, or that him staying would spread bad vibes. But if there was a likelihood of him doing any of those things then I can understand selling despite not having a replacement lined up - because what's the point in keeping him around if he's going to sulk or mope about the place?
That said - I think we should have been planning for his departure from the summer anyway. We should have had players in mind from then who would eventually be replacing Coutinho in the squad/team. But then as StevieM says, if we can't get those players in the Jan window, there's no point signing just anyone.
I don't obviously know whether the possibility of Coutinho downing tools in any way was real if he didn't get his move, but if it is true then I guess the whole thing is a little more nuanced that 'don't sell if we haven't got a replacement'. Because whilst he might still have been at the club it doesn't necessarily mean we could have counted on him for the rest of the season.
That said - I think we should have been planning for his departure from the summer anyway. We should have had players in mind from then who would eventually be replacing Coutinho in the squad/team. But then as StevieM says, if we can't get those players in the Jan window, there's no point signing just anyone.
I don't obviously know whether the possibility of Coutinho downing tools in any way was real if he didn't get his move, but if it is true then I guess the whole thing is a little more nuanced that 'don't sell if we haven't got a replacement'. Because whilst he might still have been at the club it doesn't necessarily mean we could have counted on him for the rest of the season.
They haven't sold anyone! Let alone their best player! Are you really this fucking warped?
Liverpool fucked up big time with the whole coutinho thing. They knew he was going to want to leave and didn't prepare for it at all. It was plain stupid to allow coutinho to leave and more fucked up to not have a replacement lined up. If there was no one lined up then you tell barca to fuck off. If cou doesn't like it then tough. He has a world cup place to play for so he would have had to keep playing well to keep his place in the Brazilian team.
Our lack of creativity from midfield is going to nosedive in the 2nd half of this season.
Our lack of creativity from midfield is going to nosedive in the 2nd half of this season.
One loss and we've fucked up everything. Its the same logic as usual. Just buy someone is the usual crap. I'd rather continue to trust Klopp and that we get the right targets as we have been doing. Its working but taking time. One loss doesnt change that.
Whilst I agree, it's over a decade since we won a trophy
I'd really like us to spend money on an attacking midfielder.
I'd offer Arsenal 40m for Ozil. They may be tempted to cash in now.
He's the sort of player to unlock a team like Swansea. We're going to have a lot more games like tomorrow going forward now the whole league has seen us fail another bus parking operation.
There is no use in having the pace of Mane and Salah, when there's no space in behind to attack and we don't have a midfielder who can play a pass that releases them, nor find them in between the lines or in the half spaces.
The one time VVD showed his passing quality (and I was disappointed with how little risk he took yesterday), was the one time Salah was clean through on goal and decided to take the ball on the half volley.
Ozil picks those kind of passes all day.
We don't need him for the 25% of "big games" (where the likes of Gini/Can/Ox are needed for their pressing/running ability). We would need him for the other 75% percent of games against the "lower" teams, where you need his kind of quality and technique, over the aforementioned workrate.
I'd offer Arsenal 40m for Ozil. They may be tempted to cash in now.
He's the sort of player to unlock a team like Swansea. We're going to have a lot more games like tomorrow going forward now the whole league has seen us fail another bus parking operation.
There is no use in having the pace of Mane and Salah, when there's no space in behind to attack and we don't have a midfielder who can play a pass that releases them, nor find them in between the lines or in the half spaces.
The one time VVD showed his passing quality (and I was disappointed with how little risk he took yesterday), was the one time Salah was clean through on goal and decided to take the ball on the half volley.
Ozil picks those kind of passes all day.
We don't need him for the 25% of "big games" (where the likes of Gini/Can/Ox are needed for their pressing/running ability). We would need him for the other 75% percent of games against the "lower" teams, where you need his kind of quality and technique, over the aforementioned workrate.
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Yeah but that was Lucas' fault
And over a week since we won a game... Shit times these.
Couldn't agree more. We don't have a genuine playmaker who can find these passes regularly like Silva at City or Eriksen at Spurs - or Coutinho with us until recently. Last night you could see Salah, Firmino & Mane making runs behind the rear defence but no-one even attempted to find them apart from once or twice.
Just watch when Henderson comes back, all our playmaking will fall on him and while he does his best, those dinked passes of his are way too obvious and usually fly over the heads of the intended recipient.
First quality of Coutinho's replacement has to be the ability to make the plays against packed defences and ideally we need more than one of this type of player because Can, Milner, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Chamberlain, Grujic etc don't have it in their locker leaving just Lallana to fill that role and even then, it's not his best asset.
As much as i love Klopp (not in a gay way)...i think it would be a major fuck up of significant degrees if he does not sign a playmaker of some kind this january. I would seriously go all out for either Fekir or Mahrez ... 70M ... just stop fucking around and do it. Take the damn risk ... its not gonna be cheaper in summer with a world cup year.
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