Wenger/Whinger

[gkmacca]

He was at it again last night: throwing his toys out the pram because his old club didn't bow down meekly and worship at his feet. Is this bloke even worse than Mourinho for graceless behaviour? The so-called 'professor' is actually a nasty little chap who acts like he's about seven when his overrated team of onanists fail to achieve each victory that he assumes is their right. He never shows any joy in being football, he never shows any respect for the game as a sport and he treats other managers as if they're something he's scraped off his shoe. As Kenny once said to him: 'Fuck off!'

Arsène Wenger was accused last night of failing to show Monaco sufficient respect after Arsenal crashed out of the Champions League at the first knockout stage for a fifth successive year. A 2-0 win over Monaco was insufficient to undo the damage of last month’s 3-1 home defeat as Wenger’s side were eliminated on the away-goals rule.

Wenger took some pride from his players’ defiant performance, but his frustration at being punished for their sloppy first-leg display was compounded when his behaviour was criticised afterwards. Leonardo Jardim, the Monaco head coach, confirmed that he refused to shake Wenger’s hand in retribution for suffering a similar snub at the Emirates Stadium, and went on to condemn Arsenal for what he perceived to be an arrogant approach.

“In the first leg when I wanted to thank Arsène and shake his hand it’s true that Arsène didn’t shake my hand,” Jardim said. “So even though Monaco did everything to make life comfortable for Arsenal tonight I decided not to thank him. I think it was disrespectful. Right now we’re celebrating and we think Arsenal did not show enough respect during the first leg.

“Arsenal were really happy to play Monaco as we were supposed to be one of the weakest teams. All the teams in the last 16 wanted to play against Monaco. Maybe Arsenal thought they had qualified already.”

 

[Brizzle]

I enjoyed his post game interview.. The interviewer was like "so a familiar exit, does this hurt the most"

Wenger (paraphrased) "I don't understand why it would hurt. We won today, we played well. We had more shots on target"

Its like he doesnt realise that he is coming under more and more pressure by consistently failing at this point.

 

[gkmacca]

Excellent manager in the past but these days he's a monumental bore. It doesn't help he's got absolutely no interests outside the game, so there's nothing to give him any sort of humanising perspective. He's just a coiled ball of bitterness.

 

[the count]

I enjoyed his post game interview.. The interviewer was like "so a familiar exit, does this hurt the most"

Wenger (paraphrased) "I don't understand why it would hurt. We won today, we played well. We had more shots on target"

Its like he doesnt realise that he is coming under more and more pressure by consistently failing at this point.

They only fail if you consider finishing forth in the league and getting past the group stages of the champions league failure.
It's not success for sure and I wouldn't settle for it medium to long term like Arsenal seem to have but I am not sure if it is failure either.

 

[the count]

Excellent manager in the past but these days he's a monumental bore. It doesn't help he's got absolutely no interests outside the game, so there's nothing to give him any sort of humanising perspective. He's just a coiled ball of bitterness.

He sounds like a mod.
😗

 

[Brizzle]

They only fail if you consider finishing forth in the league and getting past the group stages of the champions league failure.
It's not success for sure and I wouldn't settle for it medium to long term like Arsenal seem to have but I am not sure if it is failure either.

I said 'failing at this point' which I think is accurate. Overall I would say they've built a consistent foundation of being there or thereabouts each year but i'm sure there aren't many fans at all who are happy to not see progress.

 

[the count]

I said 'failing at this point' which I think is accurate. Overall I would say they've built a consistent foundation of being there or thereabouts each year but i'm sure there aren't many fans at all who are happy to not see progress.

The only thing I disagree with there mate is that there does seem to be a sizeable amount of their fans, while wanting success, are contend with what they have achieved year in year out, dining at the top table and deluding themselves that they are among the elite.
Somebody needs to point out that glorious failure is still failure

 

[gkmacca]

He's booked the fans into a really glamorous and comfortable theatre. But he's done so when nothing is actually being performed.

 

[SummerOnions]

He's booked the fans into a really glamorous and comfortable theatre. But he's done so when nothing is actually being performed.

He's gonna be fine though. Since it is never over until the fat lady sings, and nobody ever sings in the Emirates, he'll last forever like Murdoch or Bruce Forsyth

 

[Wilko7]

 

[Silver Sean]

He's a total prick. Can't stand him. A very good manager when he arrived, and changed the game in this country forever, but he's been a busted flush for about a decade now.
I love seeing them fail every season. They are full of players I'd never tire of slapping and their fans are utter bellends with all the self-awareness of Katy Hopkins.
Fuck them, fuck their corporate bowl, fuck their 'we won the finish-forth-trophy again' dressing room photos.

 

[StevieM]

Tell me - is it now a rule that someone starts an Arsenal thread every month or so to give Silver Sean a controlled environment to vent?

 

[localny]

Tell me - is it now a rule that someone starts an Arsenal thread every month or so to give Silver Sean a controlled environment to vent?

We'd never do that. Tell me what did you think of CR7 yesterday?

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

We'd never do that. Tell me what did you think of CR7 yesterday?

Should be a new thread. 😉

 

[Silver Sean]

We'd never do that. Tell me what did you think of CR7 yesterday?

Not. Going. To. Rise.

 

[hmmmmm1]

The question is, if they get rid, can they still be in with a shout of challenging for the P/L and champions league in April.

Or will they appoint a hodgson/Moyes and struggle.

The fans have been served up some entertaining football, if unsuccessful.

 

[Ryan]

He walked into a club that had the best back four and goalkeeper in British football history, and since then hasn't bought one decent defender or goalkeeper in 17 odd years.

Got Sol Campbell on a free, and that's murder she wrote.

The cunt's a fraud.

 

[Fabio]

He walked into a club that had the best back four and goalkeeper in British football history, and since then hasn't bought one decent defender or goalkeeper in 17 odd years.

Got Sol Campbell on a free, and that's murder she wrote.

The cunt's a fraud.

To be fair, Kolo was a bit good for them

 

[StevieM]

Tell me - is it now a rule that someone starts an Arsenal thread every month or so to give Silver Sean a controlled environment to vent?

I ask this because - if we create a Robbie Keane thread regularly. it might help "manage" Ross.

If we get a good Rafa thread going, it'll keep all sorts of crazies occupied for ages.

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

To be fair, Kolo was a bit good for them

Wasn't Kolo first brought in as a DM? I seem to recall him playing there initially, before dropping back over time.

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

I ask this because - if we create a Robbie Keane thread regularly. it might help "manage" Ross.



If we get a good Rafa thread going, it'll keep all sorts of crazies occupied for ages.

You can't keep it to one Rafa thread or it'll be locked after 5 pages. Get it right from the start with at least these 5 threads:

Management Sex - Rafa's Rant, Wenger's Whine, Van Gaal's Groan and Mourinho's Moan
Rafa's subs and tactics - programmed or inspired?
Why hasn't Rafa won any league for 10 years?
Rafa vs Ged - inherited and legacy debated (again)
Rafa vs Talents - groom or doom?

 

[StevieM]

You can't keep it to one Rafa thread or it'll be locked after 5 pages. Get it right from the start with at least these 5 threads:

Management Sex - Rafa's Rant, Wenger's Whine, Van Gaal's Groan and Mourinho's Moan
Rafa's subs and tactics - programmed or inspired?
Why hasn't Rafa won any league for 10 years?
Rafa vs Ged - inherited and legacy debated (again)
Rafa vs Talents - groom or doom?

Throw in a thread on Rafa's net spend and he'll be locked in there till next season.

 

[rurikbird]

To be fair, Kolo was a bit good for them

As well as Sagna, Ashley Cole, Gallas, Lauren... He did have wretched luck with goalkeepers though,

 

[Dreambeliever]

He walked into a club that had the best back four and goalkeeper in British football history, and since then hasn't bought one decent defender or goalkeeper in 17 odd years.

Got Sol Campbell on a free, and that's murder she wrote.

The cunt's a fraud.

Lauren, Kolo, Clichy and Sagna were all excellent signings.

 

[Fabio]

As well as Sagna, Ashley Cole, Gallas, Lauren... He did have wretched luck with goalkeepers though,

Sagna was mostly crap I thought. Always had an error in him. If he was any good he'd be getting minutes occasionally at city. Gallas was decent, but he was much better at Chelsea.

Cole was a youth product wasn't he so I wouldn't say he bought him.

Lauren was one I was tempted to mention

 

[StevieM]

Oleg Luzhny

 

[Rosco]

Despite all the mistakes he's made they've never been out of the top four and won a trophy more recently than us.

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

LOL. You can't make this up. You don't like the rules? Then do better at home!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/19/arsene-wenger-away-goals-scrapped-champions-league

Arsène Wenger calls for away goals rule to be scrapped in Champions League

The Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger, whose side went out of the Champions League to Monaco on away goals, believes the rule is now outdated.

Amy Lawrence
Thursday 19 March 2015 11.34 GMT Last modified on Thursday 19 March 2015 11.56 GMT

Arsène Wenger is resisting the sense of crisis over English football’s collective exit from the Champions League. Although this is the second time in three years that the quarter-finals will be drawn with no English presence, the Arsenal manager’s analysis boiled down to Manchester City’s bad luck to be drawn against a breathtaking Barcelona, and Arsenal and Chelsea succumbing via the away goals rule.

That rule has frustrated him for a while. Wenger certainly did not go into it as an excuse for Arsenal’s particular failings – the blame for that lay squarely at their shortcomings in the first-leg defeat against Monaco – but as a long-time advocate for it to be scrapped he is not shy of the debate.

“Two teams have gone out on away goals, which I think should be questioned because it’s a rule that is outdated now and that has to be changed,” he said.

“I’ve fought for that for a long time. In a direct knockout, it’s important that you’re very efficient and a bit lucky as well. None of the teams, apart from Barcelona, look to be superior in Europe today. Two other teams, Chelsea and Arsenal, could have gone through. This rule has been created in the 60s to encourage the teams to attack away from home. Since that football has changed. The weight of the away goal is too big today.”

Wenger clarified a remark from his post-match press conference which suggested he preferred the Europa League to the Champions League in terms of a long run in contentinal competition. “It is better that we are in the Champions League. It is as simple as that. It was just a little joke I made in French. To stay in Europe, you want to be in the Champions League and nowhere else.

“I think that the quality of the Premier League is very high and that physical demands are extreme. I’m not in the mood today to analyse too much what was wrong for English football; I don’t think there is a lot wrong,” he said.

On the subject of moods, Wenger added that the camp was “down and disappointed” on the back of their Champions League exit. “It’s quite strange at the moment because we feel we are on a positive trend, but we have paid by being out.”

Arsenal travel to Tyneside on Saturday to play Newcastle and hope to get back on track in the Premier League. The title race remains off Wenger’s immediate agenda though, given Chelsea’s advantage. “We would love to,” he said. “At the moment we are too far away from Chelsea, but we have an opportunity every week to get closer and for that we need positive results from us, and negative results from Chelsea. The only thing we can master is positive results from us. I believe Chelsea still has a very good cushion and very good security.”

Wenger is mindful of potential fatigue this weekend. “West Ham was a very physical game. In the second half of the Monaco game we played some of our players offensively. We paid a little bit for it. It is a concern. We have to see how everyone recovers.”

 

[Ryan]

Lauren, Kolo, Clichy and Sagna were all excellent signings.

Lauren was bought as an 8.5M midfielder.
Toure was another defensive midfielder, who was never close to being a top class defender.
Clichy, like every other left back Wenger has ever tried can't defend to save himself.
And Sagna was only good going forward.

So in 15 odd years of trying, you're telling me Wenger has hit a couple of maybe defenders?

 

[Halmeister]

Wenger is such a sore loser.

I remember when they drew one particular game in the league against lesser opposition and he was fuming. He said that the rules should be changed so that the team with the most corners win the game in the event of a draw.