I thought Origi's performance last night was 'up there' with the likes of N'gog and whatnot we've had to endure in the past.
Absolutely stunned by his complete lack of development this year and by the looks of it, he even seem to have gone backwards.
Ryan summed him up quite well really, and my main worry for him is, that he's gone too far backwards at the moment to even be considered for next season. His luck that Sturridge has also looked a shadow of his former self but at least he looked improved in last nights cameo.
At the current rate however I wouldn't be surprised to see Origi, Sturrdige and Ings all being moved on in Summer (not sure if Ings can actually be sold to anyone as he's been injured for so long, but I doubt he's got a future with us).
I hope we are in the market for two new strikers/forwards to give Firmino and Mane competition for goals.
Only of it is a box of mcnuggetsDoes he command his box?
All 18 yards of itDoes he command his box?
It reminds me of why I left Ireland; the morbid fascination with moaning, pessimism, funerals, negativity, and complaints. I really don't get it.
We cut it out as soon as you fucked off.
4 and a half of the 5 pages devoted to criticisms of Origi. After one of those Carlsberg weekends for us.
People fucking revel in negativity don't they? It reminds me of why I left Ireland; the morbid fascination with moaning, pessimism, funerals, negativity, and complaints. I really don't get it.
I missed this earlier.
It can be argued that every young has the potential to be world class. What percentage chance would you give Origi ?
Depends on if you're a pessimist, an optimist or Irish.When you listen to Imagine by John Lennon, does it just sounds like some cunt moaning?
Its not strange at all.
You are as good as your worst team member. In all walks of life.
If we smash Watford 5-0 and everyone plays well you get positivity.
A sketchy performance and a scrappy 1-0 win and you get analysis.
And to be clear. There is a Can thread. A Lucas thread. Origi probably deserved a thread but the chat has remained in here.
I dont think its negative to look for the CLEAR areas that require improvement.
I couldn't put a percentage chance on it.
By comparison to other players - he's at the age where Sturridge & Kane broke into and became regular first choice players - his record of games and goals isn't dissimilar to their records at his age.
He has a record of appearances and goals scored in the EPL very similar to Rashfirs, although he is a little older.
I'd say it will be tough for him - his big chance came last season when he was playing well and scoring regularly - but then got injured and hasn't been able to recover that form or consistency.
I don't know why that is - mental fortitude, lacking in confidence, bad luck - I'm not quite ready to give up on him, but his window of opportunity is rapidly closing.
A better comparison for Origi at this stage of his career and development is perhaps Danny Welbeck from around 2010 to 2014. You see in the player some attributes you like which leads you to think that the player can and will go on to much better things once he's more experienced and polished his moves or learned some new tricks. Then a couple of seasons later, you're still talking about the same thing, and then he's moved on and you realize that perhaps you were watching him at his ceiling all the while.
Right now, it feels to me like that that's the trajectory that Origi's career seems more likely to take. Considering what we paid for him and his probable wages, that isn't a terrible thing given today's market, though I'd be rather disappointed if it did really go that way. In a sense, it's like watching Ibe all over again.
On the more hopeful side though, one player that Origi in his current form also reminds me of is Henderson in his first season and a half here. Back then, he'd show sporadic flashes of his ability, but he would also frustratingly and annoyingly defer too much to the senior players instead of stepping up his own game. A close shave with an early demise of his Liverpool career later, he improved quickly in the second half of his second season and finally broke through with a stellar season in 13/14.
I'm still holding out some hope for Origi that the Welbeck path isn't the one he has to tread, but he needs to get a jump on his development soon like Henderson finally realized. Starting with picking up on the things that Ryan has mentioned, as well as learning to get the jump early on the lone defender facing him rather than doing what Ibe used to do before we sold him - holding the ball for too long and waiting to beat two men instead of one. Otherwise, that same threat that Henderson once faced will hit Origi next, and maybe the Welbeck path will be the one he does indeed tread.
Its not strange at all.
You are as good as your worst team member. In all walks of life.
If we smash Watford 5-0 and everyone plays well you get positivity.
A sketchy performance and a scrappy 1-0 win and you get analysis.
And to be clear. There is a Can thread. A Lucas thread. Origi probably deserved a thread but the chat has remained in here.
I dont think its negative to look for the CLEAR areas that require improvement.
If i'd laughably overhyped Origi i wouldn't want to talk about him either, to be fair.
If i'd laughably overhyped Origi i wouldn't want to talk about him either, to be fair.
4 and a half of the 5 pages devoted to criticisms of Origi. After one of those Carlsberg weekends for us.
People fucking revel in negativity don't they? It reminds me of why I left Ireland; the morbid fascination with moaning, pessimism, funerals, negativity, and complaints. I really don't get it.
Top post.I thought he was fairly isolated all game and was used pretty much to give us a breather. He works hard holding off defenders and keeping hold of the ball until we can push numbers forward. All of that stuff goes unnoticed, I think he'd prefer to play on the shoulder feeding off precise balls for him to run onto, but we barely play that way these days unless we're firing on all cylinders and Coutinho or the likes of Henderson have the space to play that sort of game, which is a rarity.
He's just turned 22, has a record of 20 in 75 appearances, so a goal in a bit less than every four games. Sure he's not had the improvement this season that we all hoped for, but he ended last season on a high and started this season barely getting a look in. That's down to Klopp to coax that kind of form from him again, but he's far from the terrible player people seem intent on labelling him "fucking muck/the new N'Gog". Last season he looked unplayable at times and against superior opposition in Europe too. He needs some indulgence, not the sort of shite we've been reading on here this season because he hasn't tore it up.
If anything, our system shows that it's forwards have to be unselfish and 100% about workrate before anything else, that's why he still plays. Sure, I'd personally rather see him more confident and really let off the leash, but he's doing ok. Next season is the big season for him, only an idiot would sell a lad with so much raw ability to work with.
@LarryHagman is correct on the Kane comparison. Kane is 23 now and is finishing his third season in a row with 20+ league goals.
Sturridge's situation was slightly different than Origi's but when given game time on loan at Bolton when he was aged 20 he scored 8 in 12 games.
Origi at age 22 has 73 games with Lille under his belt, 14 goals. 48 games with us, 11 goals.
Dolberg at age 19 has 14 goals in his first season (26 games so far). So the same amount of goals outside the premiership in 47 less games.
Nothing Origi has done thus far warrants any real hype. He's been okay but no more than that.
Does any of the above mean he can't be a good player ? No.
Does it provide a foundation for an opinion that he'll be world class ? Again, no.
The posts about the game were in the match thread. The post match thread is FOR analysis.I don't know if it is strange or not.
I mean, we are in the run in of a season were we are close to reach our main target. The analysis over a season that has gone from real hights to some blows has been quite accurate in one thing; Our thin squad hasn't handled the injuries we got over the season. The reasoning for the thin squad has been clear, we don't want a lot of players that will not be involved when we have no European football. Calculated gamble there.
This squad has been balanced with established and youngsters. Origi to use him has clearly not been established, but has played plenty as Sturridge, Ings, Mane, Coutinho and Lallana has been out for periods. He has har good games and bad games.
The last month we have been hanging in the ropes. Teams that was expected to easy finish above us has haunted us. We have replied by grinding out hard fought victories in tricky awaygames. It has hardly been created a post match thread, and when it has it has not been to "analyse" how we well deserved took the game while having another setback in Coutinhos injury, it has mainly been to mock yet another of our players. The game we lost over same periode there was a post match thread within seconds of final whistle and that thread didn't "analyse" much. It was a fucking meltdown of abuse everywhere.
So I don't know if it strange or people are just lunatics. If so, I am not sure those "analyzis" are worth much?