Vote of confidence.
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Cross my fingers that they give Spurs a hell of a beating.
Pretty much seems to be following the standard Mourinho pattern of destruction - leaks to the media about how he's lost senior players' support.
He won't last the season. Even with reasonable results, his football is so dull and turgid that the fans would still be fuming. I actually think Zidane would do a decent job, unfortunately. Isn't he at Juve as DoF now, though?
The pattern is there for us to see throughout his career. He's a short term minded manager.
He's signed 10 players for United at an average price of 48m. And he's still complaining. I always believe actions are stronger than words and the board not sanctioning more deals for over the hill players this summer says more about Mourinho's future than any statement will.
He won't get away with alienating players unless the results are great. Getting beaten by Brighton in your second match of the season is only going to heap the pressure on.
He's a lame duck manager. Everyone knows it.
He's signed 10 players for United at an average price of 48m. And he's still complaining. I always believe actions are stronger than words and the board not sanctioning more deals for over the hill players this summer says more about Mourinho's future than any statement will.
He won't get away with alienating players unless the results are great. Getting beaten by Brighton in your second match of the season is only going to heap the pressure on.
He's a lame duck manager. Everyone knows it.
Hope he stays for the season, I feared he could deliever a title there and if not for City's insaneness he might have last year.
But now the longer he stays the better. They ain't winning the league or CL with him there
But now the longer he stays the better. They ain't winning the league or CL with him there
and one of them was lee grant for £1m
he has bought a first team, players in every position for silly sums after already inheriting one of the worlds best goalies. his head has gone
They'll beat Spurs and he'll be fine.
He has a knack of beating teams when he needs to.
Us and city last season were prime examples of that
Yeah, there does seem to be a tipping point and it seems incredibly close. You have to laugh at Luke Shaw. He's finally in the good books just as Maureen's tenure is going to crash.
Its kinda weird, I dont really get why he is getting so much stick.....
It was gonna cost a fortune to rebuild that squad after Fergie, and they have wasted loads when they had Moyes and Van Gaal in charge.
Surely if he was the man you brought in to take you to the top, and they finished 2nd on a high points tally last season then you would back him to make the final push?
I can kinda see Jose's point here, why didnt he get more backing, he has taken them back to CL and 2nd place.... surely now was the time to give him the players he needs, if he failed then fair enough get rid but seems odd to me.
It was gonna cost a fortune to rebuild that squad after Fergie, and they have wasted loads when they had Moyes and Van Gaal in charge.
Surely if he was the man you brought in to take you to the top, and they finished 2nd on a high points tally last season then you would back him to make the final push?
I can kinda see Jose's point here, why didnt he get more backing, he has taken them back to CL and 2nd place.... surely now was the time to give him the players he needs, if he failed then fair enough get rid but seems odd to me.
Yeah, they should have backed him or sacked him, simple as that. They know what they brought in- they brought in a short term path to success where they would need to buy the most expensive players in their prime. If that's not the plan any more then tell Jose to fuck off, because he's not going to do it any other way.
I don't know what's happened to Mourinho, is it just age?
He seems so unhappy, miserable and jaded compared to the manager who arrived at Chelsea and effortlessly owned the league and everything around it. OK, yeah, he's always been a massive cunt and a whining hypocrite, but back then he was also witty and had a glint in his eye.
And he seems to have forgotten the basics of man management and how to inspire a team. At Chelsea he brought in his "trusted lieutenants" like Carvalho, and ensured the influential players in the dressing room - Lampard, Cech, Terry, Drogba - were fully signed up to the Cult of Mourinho.
Compare that to what he's done with Pogba - instead of making him his unofficial Number Two, and key dressing room leader, he's alienated his most expensive signing and world cup winning Captain, and created his own Fifth Column in the team, with its most influential player at the head of it.
That, allied with his bitching about transfers, slating most of his current squad, and playing some turgid football makes this seem increasingly untenable unless something pretty remarkable happens - if your players don't like you, they won't play for you.
He seems so unhappy, miserable and jaded compared to the manager who arrived at Chelsea and effortlessly owned the league and everything around it. OK, yeah, he's always been a massive cunt and a whining hypocrite, but back then he was also witty and had a glint in his eye.
And he seems to have forgotten the basics of man management and how to inspire a team. At Chelsea he brought in his "trusted lieutenants" like Carvalho, and ensured the influential players in the dressing room - Lampard, Cech, Terry, Drogba - were fully signed up to the Cult of Mourinho.
Compare that to what he's done with Pogba - instead of making him his unofficial Number Two, and key dressing room leader, he's alienated his most expensive signing and world cup winning Captain, and created his own Fifth Column in the team, with its most influential player at the head of it.
That, allied with his bitching about transfers, slating most of his current squad, and playing some turgid football makes this seem increasingly untenable unless something pretty remarkable happens - if your players don't like you, they won't play for you.
I agree, in part, that they knew what they were getting with him.
Thing is though, I don't think anyone expected or predicted the market sky rocketing over the last two summer windows.
As such, they've realised to catch or match city under Mourinho that they would have to spend way more than they wanted.
So they're looking at these signings set aside the potential earnings increase as champions & it fucks up their business plan.
Presumably whilst looking at us with TAA, Salah, Mane, Gomez etc complementing the big money buys & arguably getting as much value back on the pitch, if not more, than his much more expensively assembled team & creating marketable profit margins on the assets (players by taking them to the next level) in the process too.
At this point they say "Well can't you buy younger players or players just below that level & train then or improve them?"
Cue Mourinho throwing his toys out of the pram.
That's a great overview! Also I think he has fallen into the trap of vanity and it has killed his spirit. And also there is more media attention than Ferguson had in his days so it's easier to fall into the trap of vanity. I've lost track of the amount of times I've seen Mourinho boasting about his trophy haul and at the same time I've lost track of the times I've seen Mourinho doing tv adverts and other promotional exploits...I'm my days managers were quiet in that front as much as I disliked Ferguson he rarely feel into the trap of vanity and maybe that is what kept him hungry and cunning.
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I don't think it's helped by the fact that a lot of the players he has actually bought don't seem to be quite to his taste. He's already sold Mikitikitaryan, after giving him the same treatment he gave Mata at Chelsea; he seems to have made an enemy of Pogba; Sanchez has done almost nothing, and he's been quite clear and vocal about the shortcomings of Bailly and Lindelhof, who he spent over £60m on.
Lindelhof has looked a disaster from the start, but, even worse, Bailly has gone from a solid, powerful and seemingly reliable CB, to a shuddering, quaking mess.
Pogba has clearly tasked Raiola with engineering a move away. He's going off on one today and attacking Scholes.
I don't know how to take it. Pogba is a bit shit, so I'd happily see him stay at Utd, but then another manager will get better performances out of him. But THEN it would be a hugely negative statement if Pogba walked out on the club, and their fans would lose their shit. Decisions decisions.
I don't know how to take it. Pogba is a bit shit, so I'd happily see him stay at Utd, but then another manager will get better performances out of him. But THEN it would be a hugely negative statement if Pogba walked out on the club, and their fans would lose their shit. Decisions decisions.
This is why I think in time us overpaying for the likes of VVD and Alisson was a masterstroke.... it raised the price bar for all teams....
Now it means Utd have to pay 75M for a CB etc.... and they may be the highest grossing team in the world, but they also have debt and owners that probably want to make money.... it will always be about balancing the books. It has levelled the playing field in some ways.
I think we have just spent the money more wisely in buying younger talents with sell on value, Coutinho was a windfall for us and that money has now taken us to the next level. He was a great player but sometimes 1 player does not make a team....
TBF, the stupidness they spent on Sanchez really mustve irked the United board, especially when he has done sod all really since joining....
Now it means Utd have to pay 75M for a CB etc.... and they may be the highest grossing team in the world, but they also have debt and owners that probably want to make money.... it will always be about balancing the books. It has levelled the playing field in some ways.
I think we have just spent the money more wisely in buying younger talents with sell on value, Coutinho was a windfall for us and that money has now taken us to the next level. He was a great player but sometimes 1 player does not make a team....
TBF, the stupidness they spent on Sanchez really mustve irked the United board, especially when he has done sod all really since joining....
What, so we overpaid on purpose?
Man, I don't think we can attribute his waning powers to a surge in vanity! He arrived in England over a decade ago proclaiming himself as 'The Special One'. Self adoration has been part of his character from day 1. Though as GKMacca has said, it is probably underwritten by the crushing insecurity of his alter-ego, Jose the Translator.
Forget Zidane I hope they don't get the new Leeds manager. They are playing such exciting football. Getting Bielsa would be like when they stole Cantona all over again lol. Zidane is very good but his football tactics at Real wasn't amazing. I guess it would be the perfect football transition but Bielsa wood give them that cavalier attitude that the fans actually crave.
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Who knows, but it is a defined change of tactic from us compared to the penny pinching from previous under FSG.....
Wasn't getting Sanchez more about cock blocking mancity from having him just like when Mourinho stopped us from getting Salah the first time lol
I have long held this theory on Moaning arse that he was clearly a very decent manager in his early years, and probably until he reached RM. From the time he went back to Chelski, his mind set was all about protecting his managerial reputation at all costs. Gone were things as has been pointed out above like instilling a fighting spirit in the backbone of the team and getting the best out of players. Slowly but surely his teams have retreated back down the pitch rather than playing attacking football. It got him fucked off at Chelski, and it will ultimately be the same at Man U. He is petrified that he will be seen for what he is, a busted flush. He will not go down in history as one of the greats because he could never back up how he started, even when given all the money in the world to do so. Is he still living out of that hotel he was bitching about last season with his family moved back to London or has that been resolved? No doubt, he will cite that as one of the main reasons when they "mutually" agree he needs to leave.
Mourinho the translator lol
How is it these guys complain about hotels and the likes... they are making thousands a week, he could buy any million dollar home in Manchester area and be done with it and still be in rude financial help
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