BTW Chelsea have just announced the signing of Rüdiger, so they've obv.given up on whatever slim chance they might have had.
Virgiling on the vandijkulous
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German fan : Been watching him since he broke through at VfB and believe me when I tell you he is a hit and miss. He sometimes makes the difficult look easy but he also manages to fuck up the unfuckupable..
Football Fans: We've been watching David Luiz since he got to Europe and he was miss most of the time.
Conte's system, especially if he has Kante & Matic/whoever, will protect him enough to let him do the job at a high, consistent level, as we saw with the playstation player.
Hopefully some sanity will prevail regarding the fee. Whatever accolades one wants to shower on van Dijk (best defender in the Premier League and all that!) he's not worth much more than what our competitors are paying for similarly gifted defenders. If we end up paying more, it's because the scouting isn't up to the job. As per usual.
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It gets even more bonkers considering in the fact that it's a million quid less than what we're asking for Sakho too.
As if any player would really want to pick us if City came calling.
He's hardly going to come out and say it and ruin any chance of getting a move to a CL side but if City enter the race for him they'll get him.
They can offer everything we can but with more money and more chance of success as things stand.
He'll have some serious competition at City, but he'll walk into our defence. I know you love hating on us these days, but we pay a fuck ton in wages, we're in the champions league, and we have one of the top managers in the world who has a reputation for being charismatic and selling his vision. So yes, it's quite easy to see why a player would pick us over City, if we tried hard enough to convince him we're the best option for him, as we seemingly have in this situation.
Calamity Stones, Otamendi, Mangala and Kompany-with-one-leg - some seriously shit competition that.
Why is it bonkers? Sakho is a France international at the peak of his career, and a left-footed CB too, which is a premium position. Rudiger hasn't achieved as much as Sakho at this point; if not for Sakho's suspension and disciplinary troubles his price would have been considerably higher.
Not worth much more ? What are you basing that on ? You can't be using Lindelof and Rudigers figures as a comparative basis so what is that assumption based on ?
If you are comparing VVD to Lindelof and Rudiger (and maybe Keane ?) then you are missing the point. Both Lindelof (22 yo & €35m) and Rudiger (also listed as €35m and is 24 yo) are as yet just good young players with potential and, in Lindelof at least, having played in a far inferior league, whilst for Rudiger a far slower league (though he himself is pretty rapid for a CB). Both supposedly make errors around the pitch on a regular basis, noted by fans who actually watch them on a regular basis, enough that if their positions were reversed with VVD we'd all be screaming. There's a reason a 26 year old, experienced and proven, PL CB is rated double and it's not just that he plays for Southampton and LFC are interested. Look at VVDs figures for interceptions, blocks and clearances.
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And that, in a picture, is why statistics need context.Not worth much more ? What are you basing that on ? You can't be using Lindelof and Rudigers figures as a comparative basis so what is that assumption based on ?
If you are comparing VVD to Lindelof and Rudiger (and maybe Keane ?) then you are missing the point. Both Lindelof (22 yo & €35m) and Rudiger (also listed as €35m and is 24 yo) are as yet just good young players with potential and, in Lindelof at least, having played in a far inferior league, whilst for Rudiger a far slower league (though he himself is pretty rapid for a CB). Both supposedly make errors around the pitch on a regular basis, noted by fans who actually watch them on a regular basis, enough that if their positions were reversed with VVD we'd all be screaming. There's a reason a 26 year old, experienced and proven, PL CB is rated double and it's not just that he plays for Southampton and LFC are interested. Look at VVDs figures for interceptions, blocks and clearances.
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That's far too easy a kop-out.
I look forward to you adding it, then.
At the risk of sounding pompous, I worked with statistics for 11 years and currently teach them. I always question numbers without context. No disrespect to you, by the way.
Those are metrics per 90 mins 😉
It's football, there will always be variables. However not much context is given to a goalscorer (let's say Kane) who scores 29 goals even though there are a ton of variables in those figures. As fans we don't have Klopp's or FSG's full data analysis team behind us so we've got what we've got and those stats look impressive, especially so interceptions, blocks and clearances which are less dependent on other players / context than say passing completion stats.
You're not even close to pompous by 6CM standards
Do they tell you anything about how he'll be for us ?
For example what were the same stats for Lovren before he signed ?
You're a WUM Ross. I have you on 'ignore'.
Could it be that Southampton are the kind of team, that play in a way where their defenders have high stats for those? Comparing to Lovren's is a good idea.
So you know the answer undermines your stupid statistical justification of a bad transfer deal
WUM (auto generated response).
Lovren, Fonte have both failed to live up to their reps gained at Southampton so i think it is what you suggest
Lovren has reverted to not-very-good type.
Poor the Froggie
Motherfucker!!!
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