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Transfer Rumours 21/22

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Grjt2 said:
Like it or not, these players believe they have to play CL football, and they want to be virtually guaranteed to be in it every year. We were almost reaching that standing in players perceptions in Europe but this abysmal season, at exactly the wrong time financially, has put paid to that.

Feel better though, once you’ve got players keen to join there’s just the small matter of the owners putting their hands in their pockets in a meaningful way, and that wasn’t going to happen anyway.
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When Pogba rejoined Manure they were in the UEFA Cup. How often have they been in the European Cup since? It's not a hard and fast rule that you HAVE to be in the European Cup. Sure, if you were out of the places every year for about five years a player might have second thoughts, but don't underestimate the lure of playing for Klopp, and don't assume that every top player - Mbappe included - won't think this is just a one-year clusterfuck when half our team have been crocked.
 
Worth adding that the main thing that will hold us back this summer in terms of signing players will be the ambition of the owners. It won't be because we can't afford fees, or wages, or that we won't be a big enough draw. It'll be the owners refusing to spend.
 
Best Believe It said:
Worth adding that the main thing that will hold us back this summer in terms of signing players will be the ambition of the owners. It won't be because we can't afford fees, or wages, or that we won't be a big enough draw. It'll be the owners refusing to spend.
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Haaland wants £400k minimum a week
Mbappe wants £600k a week
Those wages will just have a snowball effect. Pogba got a massive pay rise to go to Man United not forgetting the record fee they paid for him. The ambition of the owners is based on finance. Haaland and Mbappe don't make financial sense unless the merch sales they generate pays for them
 
bluebell said:
Haaland wants £400k minimum a week
Mbappe wants £600k a week
Those wages will just have a snowball effect. Pogba got a massive pay rise to go to Man United not forgetting the record fee they paid for him. The ambition of the owners is based on finance. Haaland and Mbappe don't make financial sense unless the merch sales they generate pays for them
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How the fuck do you know?
 
Best Believe It said:
Worth adding that the main thing that will hold us back this summer in terms of signing players will be the ambition of the owners. It won't be because we can't afford fees, or wages, or that we won't be a big enough draw. It'll be the owners refusing to spend.
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It most definitely WILL be because of wages / transfer fees. Our top earners are on what .. 200k or so per week. I think United's ball boys are on that, which explains perfectly how they are still able to attract top players.

Though this comment : ... don't assume that every top player won't think this is just a one-year clusterfuck when half our team have been crocked.

Is probably accurate, even though for some it'll still be a case of us not being in the CL. If they have any brains they'll realise it gives us a double-barreled shot at not only the title but the EL too, so we will only be out for a season.
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Frogfish said:
It most definitely WILL be because of wages / transfer fees. Our top earners are on what .. 200k or so per week. I think United's ball boys are on that, which explains perfectly how they are still able to attract top players.

Though this comment : ... don't assume that every top player won't think this is just a one-year clusterfuck when half our team have been crocked.

Is probably accurate, even though for some it'll still be a case of us not being in the CL. If they have any brains they'll realise it gives us a double-barreled shot at not only the title but the EL too, so we will only be out for a season.
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I've not made myself clear evidently. What I meant was we can absolutely afford to pay fees and wages. FSG choose not to. There may be some reasonable rationale in that it keeps the players hungrier etc, but the idea that they can't afford to spend this summer - as billionaires - is bullshit. It's a choice they're making.
 
We don't compete on wages, and never really have in the last 20 years as far as I can recall. The highest paid players are usually on a multiple of whatever our biggest earners get and it immediately puts us out of the running for alot of the biggest names simply because they know they can get double their money elsewhere. That's why we have to get players on the way up because once the reach the pinnacle we just don't pay this wages.

Pogba is on £300k a week at Utd and his contract is up this year. You can bet he will be looking for £400k a week plus to stay there. Those sorts of numbers we just don't get involved in. It feasible for the Manchester clubs but not us
 
Best Believe It said:
I've not made myself clear evidently. What I meant was we can absolutely afford to pay fees and wages. FSG choose not to. There may be some reasonable rationale in that it keeps the players hungrier etc, but the idea that they can't afford to spend this summer - as billionaires - is bullshit. It's a choice they're making.
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This was the point I was making with:

Feel better though, once you’ve got players keen to join there’s just the small matter of the owners putting their hands in their pockets in a meaningful way, and that wasn’t going to happen anyway.

Under Klopp I think we have become one of those teams that other players will seek out, but the lure of CL football for most shouldn’t be ignored. Look at Neymar - Barcelona to PSG? Ridiculous for his legacy. But a shit load of salary coupled to guaranteed CL football every year is perfect for the little rat.
 
Best Believe It said:
When Pogba rejoined Manure they were in the UEFA Cup. How often have they been in the European Cup since? It's not a hard and fast rule that you HAVE to be in the European Cup. Sure, if you were out of the places every year for about five years a player might have second thoughts, but don't underestimate the lure of playing for Klopp, and don't assume that every top player - Mbappe included - won't think this is just a one-year clusterfuck when half our team have been crocked.
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“1yr out of the CL” was the pull there, subsequently he simply hasn’t delivered, and no one else wants to pay him the salary or handover the exorbitant transfer fee. That’s why he jockeys for a move every single summer, but has had to sit tight
 
Getting into such levels of wages is very risky.

I wonder how clubs are insured in case of players getting injured or if they die?
 
StevieM said:
I know it’s you, and reality sometimes seems to pass you by, but if we sell 3 players we have to replace 3 players.

The idea is that you sell one player to fund the purchase of multiple players to input over the squad, not 3 players to buy one - because, while that one player might be really good... he’s one player.

I’m all for selling a few players, but if we managed to sell those 3 players for £130m - we’d need to bring in 3 players - which means, using your figures you’d need to spend something close to £200m to actually improve the squad.

Added to that - who’s playing and backing up the attacking right positions after you’ve sold just about everyone that’s filled in there over the last few years and replaced them with someone that isn’t likely to play there.

The other critical thing you appear to be forgetting is - who exactly is going to pay £100m for Salah and why would they do that if the other players on your list are available at the prices you reckon they are.

If I had £100m and Salah was available for that or Mbappe was available for £144m - I’d sell someone less important to my team for £44m, but Mbappe and tell Salah to fuck of.

The few teams that can afford these top players are teams that don’t need to sell anyone significant to buy them.

We’re not in that bracket - hence why we need to looking at players half that price bracket that are good that we can afford.
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We have players in the reserves and youth time that we can play... So selling three players (The Ox is useless anyway) is not a problem.
Mbappe contract expires in 2022 so come the summer if he is still determing to leave does PSG still try to hold out for £144m he is valued at, or do they take something a lot less..?

The choice of selling lesser players is you have to sell a lot more of them...
Selling, or should I say buying those players I named is that you first have to find that money for them, and £100m is easier to find than £150m

StevieM said:
The few teams that can afford these top players are teams that don’t need to sell anyone significant to buy them.
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The only ones that I can think of are City,PSG annd Chelsea Real, and Barca are having to sell players to try and fund a move for them, believe it or not we are in a better position than Real or Barca at present, both them team need to seriously re-build, Barca more than Real
 
Frogfish said:
Jesus Christ. What is the maximum we have EVER paid for a player ? And now you believe we will/can near enough double it?! At a time like this?
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Here my answer...
What was the most we paid for a Keeper before we bought Allison..?
 
Arsenal are in a world of shit - on the pitch and financially
If I am them, I offer 30-40 million for Martinelli in the summer.
Get our next Brazilian star.
 
To use the words of Rory McIlory our pitch to players has always been:

If you want so much money.. it's a money-grab. Which is fine if that's what you're playing football for is to make as much money as possible.

Totally fine, then go and do that if that's what makes you happy.

But I think the top players in the game, and the ones that are remembered care about the game’s history.

We're playing for this club to try to cement our place in history and our legacy and to win Major championships and to win the biggest tournaments in the world.
 
I can't believe we're still talking about Mbappe and Haaland.

It was absurd before this dismal season - though at least it was mostly tongue in cheek - and it's even more absurd now.

And not to go all Ross, but if we want to talk about unattainable players, can we just start a separate thread.
 
Donavan Ried said:
We have players in the reserves and youth time that we can play... So selling three players (The Ox is useless anyway) is not a problem.
Mbappe contract expires in 2022 so come the summer if he is still determing to leave does PSG still try to hold out for £144m he is valued at, or do they take something a lot less..?

The choice of selling lesser players is you have to sell a lot more of them...
Selling, or should I say buying those players I named is that you first have to find that money for them, and £100m is easier to find than £150m



The only ones that I can think of are City,PSG annd Chelsea Real, and Barca are having to sell players to try and fund a move for them, believe it or not we are in a better position than Real or Barca at present, both them team need to seriously re-build, Barca more than Real
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Who are these youth players and reserve team players that can step in and deliver?

So far we have Curtis Jones - what else - I hope you aren’t pinning your hopes on Harvey Elliot filling a Salah type hole.

Here’s a hint about Mbappe - there are only a handful of teams that can afford the transfer fee and his wages and PSG know it - so.... no, they don’t have to sell and they don’t have to accept a lower offer and they can match the wages anyone else can out on the table.

The other two you mention are at a team who specialise at wringing the highest amount out of any transfer out of a top player - and they don’t appear to need cash desperately- so won’t becselling unless someone offers stupid money.

We don’t have stupid money to throw around and if just plain fucking stupid to think that if our plan is to sell ageing stars on the cusp of probable decline and replace them with the hottest young talent around, that the top teams in the world aren’t smart enough to figure out that they’d be better served letting said ageing stars continue their decline where they are and use their considerable financial resources to buy said hot young talent for themselves.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
Arsenal are in a world of shit - on the pitch and financially
If I am them, I offer 30-40 million for Martinelli in the summer.
Get our next Brazilian star.
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Kronke knows fans are pissed off, I doubt he'll rile them further by selling one of their most up-and-coming talents. Besides, isn't he quite injury-prone?
 
keniget said:
I can't believe we're still talking about Mbappe and Haaland.

It was absurd before this dismal season - though at least it was mostly tongue in cheek - and it's even more absurd now.

And not to go all Ross, but if we want to talk about unattainable players, can we just start a separate thread.
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If we had made the CL, I think Mbappe would have been possible.
 
SummerOnions said:
If I'm right @Pesam was bigging him up?
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Yeah, my expertise is no longer the English lower divisions but the Czech league. There's a wealth of talent over here, it's just the usual problem of having to assess players based on playing at a lower standard (so not much difference as to when I was cherry-picking lower league talent).

There are 4 stand-out kids playing in the top division at the moment; Hlozek (18 year old ,centre forward), Karabec (17 year old, attacking midfield), Vitik (18 year old, centre back) - all with Sparta Prague and David Zima of Slavia Prague (20 year old centre back).

The Czech league is like a higher standard Scottish league in that there is a huge difference in quality between top and bottom e.g. Slavia would probably finish in the top half of the Premier League, Plzen, Jablonec and Sparta (if they ever get their act together) would all have a chance of survival in the top division. Liberec would compete at the top end of The Championship BUT many of the other teams would struggle to survive in the Championship. At least 6 or 7 of the teams are, at best, 1st division quality.

Sparta's biggest problem is that 4 of their 5 best players; Hlozek, Karabec, Vitik and Kejci are 18, 17, 18 and 21 respectively and only broke into the team this season. In the unlikely even that they can hang on to all 4 players then they could end Slavia's 3 year dominance.

I think I suggested a €35m offer for Karabec and Hlozek would be good business but Czech friends of mine have suggested that I am still thinking about English valuations and that €25m plus add-ons could be enough. They could be right as Soucek was the standout performer in the Czech league 2 years ago and West Ham got him for £10m.

Hlozek continues to impress, he scored 4 in his last 2 games; two great strikes from outside the box, one far post header and one composed (albeit quite straightforward) finish from a rebound. Although he is only 18 he is a big lad; 6ft tall and well built - physically he is ready for the EPL........I think he's definitely worth a risk for anything under €15m.

Karabec oozes class and reminds me a lot of Stevie G! He's only 17 but also physically ready, also about 6ft and not afraid of a challenge. His passing is superb, he's got a great shot on him and reads the game very well......for anything under €15m he's a steal.

Vitik not only looks like Alan Hansen he plays a bit like Hansen. Similar to Hansen, he is tall (6'4") but not great in the air. He reads the game superbly for such a young player and his telescopic legs block out a lot of dangerous situations. He is not on anyone's radar that I'm aware of and could be a snip for under €10m (although we already have one gangly, young beanpole centre back in Van Den Berg. Again similar to Hansen, Vitik is very comfortable in possession and is prepared to bring the ball out of defence himself.

Krejci is a more difficult one to judge because he lacks speed, physique, skill etc but just scores goals. He's not slow and he has decent skill levels but he has no standout talent BUT then again neither did Shearer - similar to Shearer he just has this knack of scoring goals. Whether or not he can do it a higher level is debatable.

Zima of Slavia was poor in the second game against Arsenal but has shown enough to make him worthy of further interest. He's composed in possession, reads the game well and is a solid tackler.

The Czech national team is very good at present and could cause some surprises this summer. Unfortunately the only weakness is a centre back where there is a bit of a lack of talent - it's such a pity Vitik and Zima aren't a couple of years older because I am quite sure these two will be the Czech centre back pairing for many years soon.

Does Brexit affect Liverpool's ability to sign gifted European youngsters?
 
StevieM said:
Who are these youth players and reserve team players that can step in and deliver?

So far we have Curtis Jones - what else - I hope you aren’t pinning your hopes on Harvey Elliot filling a Salah type hole.

Here’s a hint about Mbappe - there are only a handful of teams that can afford the transfer fee and his wages and PSG know it - so.... no, they don’t have to sell and they don’t have to accept a lower offer and they can match the wages anyone else can out on the table.

The other two you mention are at a team who specialise at wringing the highest amount out of any transfer out of a top player - and they don’t appear to need cash desperately- so won’t becselling unless someone offers stupid money.

We don’t have stupid money to throw around and if just plain fucking stupid to think that if our plan is to sell ageing stars on the cusp of probable decline and replace them with the hottest young talent around, that the top teams in the world aren’t smart enough to figure out that they’d be better served letting said ageing stars continue their decline where they are and use their considerable financial resources to buy said hot young talent for themselves.
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No PSG don't have to sell, but M'bappe has been pushing for a move away from PSG so the risk losing him on a free.... wand if we could get him on a free his wage demand are what...? 400K a week? euro's? , but let's call it pounds...... 20.8m a year ...By selling The Ox and Shaqiri half of that wage is covered, And If it is in euro's there is even less to find

As for Sancho, the asking price for him as already come down to 87m

As for people filling in for Salah.. My original point was selling Salah to fund a move for M'bappe, so no youth/reserve player would be needed for that roll.
The point about youth/reserve applied to the midfield roles of AOC/Shaqiri

It may not happen. I kown this, but we could make it happen either by selling Salah, or acquiring M'bappe on a free
 
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“aqquiring M'bappe on a free”

Honest to fucking god, how is this bellend still here?

We’ve swapped Oncey for fucking DonerVan.... for fucks sake
 
Donavan Ried said:
No PSG don't have to sell, but M'bappe has been pushing for a move away from PSG so the risk losing him on a free.... wand if we could get him on a free his wage demand are what...? 400K a week? euro's? , but let's call it pounds...... 20.8m a year ...By selling The Ox and Shaqiri half of that wage is covered, And If it is in euro's there is even less to find

As for Sancho, the asking price for him as already come down to 87m

As for people filling in for Salah.. My original point was selling Salah to fund a move for M'bappe, so no youth/reserve player would be needed for that roll.
The point about youth/reserve applied to the midfield roles of AOC/Shaqiri

It may not happen. I kown this, but we could make it happen either by selling Salah, or acquiring M'bappe on a free
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Do you think if Mbappe was available on a free there might be other teams interested?

Do you think those other teams that would be interested might be able to offer more wages and a bigger signing on fee than us?

Do you think one of those other teams is going to buy Salah in order to finance us buying Mbappe, instead of just buying Mbappe themselves?

Who are the youth attacking midfielders ready to challenge for a position in the team?

More importantly - what exactly does selling and and splurging our entire budget on replacing our top goal scorer who has been the most consistent of our forward players, do to alleviate the problem that the other 2 forwards have seen a massive decline, and bar Jotta, we have no reasonable cover for.

That’s why, IF, we sell a Mane or Salah - we need that to fund 2 forwards, not one.

Squad of 25 - every one in that squad you move on needs to be replaced.
 
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