He's out of fucking contract mate....you think we're in a good position to be negotiating meaningful sell-on clauses? Not in a million years.
Tottenham v Liverpool Match Thread
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Our whole team is a flabby melt.
The only bit of analysis I can offer at the moment (not that anyone cares, probably) is that Klopp has massively overestimated this team's capabilities this season. We've been playing a style of football similar to City or Barcelona, without anywhere near the personnel (in all areas of the field, not just defense) to pull it off.
For some reason we dropped off the work-rate, got away from counter-attacking football that was responsible for by far our best moment of the season - the 4:0 win against Arsenal - and are playing like we're expecting to dominate teams every week. However it's becoming increasingly clear that we simply don't have what it takes to dominate (which is a very different thing to looking good in possession for a periods of a game, without translating it into goals or clean sheets). How many times has it been said that Lovren is a good defender when he is not asked to do too much - but he is way out of his depth if the manager asks him to play like Gerard Pique or Sergio Ramos. It's not his fault, it's who he is - to paraphrase one former Liverpool manager, one needs to work with the players he has, not ones he wishes he had.
Similarly, we don't have a Messi or an Aguero capable of finishing half-chances in a crowded penalty area - so stop fucking picking on Firmino for not being Harry Kane - Firmino is the absolute dog's bollocks at playing counter-attacking high-workrate football like we played against other top-6 teams last season, this is who he is - it's the manager's responsibility to use him well. Also the trio of midfielders comprised of Hendo, Wijnaldum, Can or Milner is hardly Xavi-Busquets-Iniesta - they have their strengths, but the way we play mostly exposes their limitations now.
It's time to adjust our perspective towards this reality and get back to the work ethic that served us well in Klopp's first 2 seasons - if Klopp makes the adjustment, this team still has enough talent to make life difficult for anyone. But the problem now is that what this team thinks of itself and what it really is are two very different things.
Good night, everyone. Don't get too down, it's only football.
For some reason we dropped off the work-rate, got away from counter-attacking football that was responsible for by far our best moment of the season - the 4:0 win against Arsenal - and are playing like we're expecting to dominate teams every week. However it's becoming increasingly clear that we simply don't have what it takes to dominate (which is a very different thing to looking good in possession for a periods of a game, without translating it into goals or clean sheets). How many times has it been said that Lovren is a good defender when he is not asked to do too much - but he is way out of his depth if the manager asks him to play like Gerard Pique or Sergio Ramos. It's not his fault, it's who he is - to paraphrase one former Liverpool manager, one needs to work with the players he has, not ones he wishes he had.
Similarly, we don't have a Messi or an Aguero capable of finishing half-chances in a crowded penalty area - so stop fucking picking on Firmino for not being Harry Kane - Firmino is the absolute dog's bollocks at playing counter-attacking high-workrate football like we played against other top-6 teams last season, this is who he is - it's the manager's responsibility to use him well. Also the trio of midfielders comprised of Hendo, Wijnaldum, Can or Milner is hardly Xavi-Busquets-Iniesta - they have their strengths, but the way we play mostly exposes their limitations now.
It's time to adjust our perspective towards this reality and get back to the work ethic that served us well in Klopp's first 2 seasons - if Klopp makes the adjustment, this team still has enough talent to make life difficult for anyone. But the problem now is that what this team thinks of itself and what it really is are two very different things.
Good night, everyone. Don't get too down, it's only football.
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Is this a play on cliffhanger batman episodes?
Yeah, it’s all very well the usual fucking retards massively overestimating the capabilities of the players, but that’s fine because they can’t do any real damage, apart from giving everyone on this Forum brain damage.
It’s a massive problem when the fucking manager is guilty of it, and thinks the likes of Matip, Klavan, Mignolet and Lovren are good enough in defence, and Firmino is a number 9.
He’s got one more season. If he fucks up next summer like he did this one, he’s getting sacked.
So is my mother. I reckon that's what Rosco says about her in the secret thread they have.
I guess it could be yea lol
Woy wouldn’t buy that lot.
I thought Ox did well today considering plus his nice cameo the other day ... I'd start him, firmino and Salah across the front with Coutinho dropping back so we can fuck Can off into the stands.
Thought Gomez did well apart from the first goal where he was looking across the line and should have stepped up. He starts with Matip from now on.
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He has to win something or improve on the league position. I don't think consolidating a top four finish is success, it's showing we're going in the right direction but this club needs to be winning silverware again, and Klopp hasn't won anything domestically for 5 years (but has won two Supercups since then). That's pretty significant IMO.
I don't feel convinced he has what it takes to sort out the defense, because our problems go beyond just personnel. He hasn't shown he can improve defenders (Moreno and Milner maybe), and his couple of defensive signings have regressed under his management. Does anyone feel that bringing in better defenders will cure our woes? He has one way to play and he doesn't know how to dominate teams with patience and the ability to grind out a win.
His in-game decisions are too often either poor or slow to happen, today is just about the first time in ages I can remember him making a swift decision to change things and that was followed by not making other obvious changes, like removing Can who was having a mare.
I want to believe that this time next season he'll have sorted it, but I just don't see it. Coutinho will go and I wouldn't be surprised if Mane goes too. He has it all to do and he looks lost to me already, like Kenny did and then Rodgers, you just get that sense that his grasp of the game is slipping away from him and the dressing room and fans with it.
I don't feel convinced he has what it takes to sort out the defense, because our problems go beyond just personnel. He hasn't shown he can improve defenders (Moreno and Milner maybe), and his couple of defensive signings have regressed under his management. Does anyone feel that bringing in better defenders will cure our woes? He has one way to play and he doesn't know how to dominate teams with patience and the ability to grind out a win.
His in-game decisions are too often either poor or slow to happen, today is just about the first time in ages I can remember him making a swift decision to change things and that was followed by not making other obvious changes, like removing Can who was having a mare.
I want to believe that this time next season he'll have sorted it, but I just don't see it. Coutinho will go and I wouldn't be surprised if Mane goes too. He has it all to do and he looks lost to me already, like Kenny did and then Rodgers, you just get that sense that his grasp of the game is slipping away from him and the dressing room and fans with it.
This. Forget recruitment of high-quality replacements. We seem to be incapable of evaluating one of our own whom we see in practice day in day out. 100K for Lovren.
Well...... Just poked my nose in to say that was fucking woeful, embarrassing and you all know what else. Serious questions need to be answered. I simply don't understand why me...ME someone who knows fucking nothing about footy tactics (and am happy to admit it) can blatantly see that the defence and goal keeping situation is a fucking shambles and wasn't addressed in the summer. Instead he bought Ox (a player we don't need and indeed don't play) *Shrugs* LFC ruin me sometimes. It's the hope that gets you innit - Oh balls to it. I'm off to watch the grand prix 🙁X
I think that's it for me. I don't see us winning anything unless we we get bought by some nation-sized consortium. That's how it works in football these days. It was a huge, huge, achievement by the owners to have got Klopp, who could coast in Scotland unbeaten for five seasons, hoo-rah, and would never field a reserve team against Real Madrid, so stick that up your arse, Mark, but no manager will do anything with that team beyond the odd heart-thumping top four finish. And after Klopp you'll be looking at Pulis-level managers, and if you think otherwise you're utterly deluded.
The most upsetting part for me is that Spurs, through years of sensible transfers (bar the post bale blip), astute managerial appointments, and correct investment in youth, have surpassed us.
Year on year they've developed, identified weaknesses and progressed to perennial champions league club
It should have been us, but we're so fucked up with mismanagement from top to toe, we're unlikely to catch them without dramatic investment
Year on year they've developed, identified weaknesses and progressed to perennial champions league club
It should have been us, but we're so fucked up with mismanagement from top to toe, we're unlikely to catch them without dramatic investment
Yep. All of this.
Not really Klopps fault, but he's certainly part of the problem.
We will never compete for titles without owners who are willing to spend the big bucks.
Why is Rodgers even relevant? Is that the best you've got Macca? Every time someone gives Klopp a bashing, you revert to reminding us of the failures of the previous manager. Do you want to talk about Dalglish too? Another criticism that's completely taboo in Macca land.
Whenever someone challenges your opinion of Klopp, you churn out the turgid response, about the failures of someone else and how we'll never get anyone better (or some other bollocks to absolve of him of blame for anything).
Change the bloody record and quit with sanctimonious crap about how we're lucky to have him. He should be feeling lucky to manage US. We're one of the biggest names in football with a history that is repeatedly being failed to be lived up to, and unfortunately he's just another in a long line of managers who's failing to get anywhere near to matching that hype.
Irrespective of Rodgers or anyone else, what we're seeing isn't good enough and only a fan who is desperately clinging to their stubborn, unwavering decision to completely back the manager unequivocally, would try to defend this shite.
No manager will ever do anything with that team? Not making ridiculous decisions like paying £40m for a bench player we didn't even need, would be a start. So spare me the rubbish about how hard done to he is with this team and his budget. He's just spent a £100m on a player who won't be here for a year and a benchwarmer, so fucking give over.
We won't have paid for Keita pal. We will pay next year when we have sold Coutinho and Mane.
You're a fucking dreamer bwoy. These owners are asset strippers. Killing us softly.
Sorry, I don't buy that at all. We just spent £100m on Keita and AOC. Aswell as the rest of the Summer activity.
Never. Ever will there ever be a worse summer by any club ever than the summer when Liverpool needed a CB a DM a Keeper and a Striker and bought a Winger and a CM who we will get a year later.
Never. Nothing compares.
Roy, Kenny, Rafa and Brendan bought some SHIT players but at least, AT LEAST they were in the positions we actually needed.
I'll never ever get over it. Seeing fucking Lovren, Firmino, Mignolet, Henderson, Milner and Can fucking around week in week out doesn't help.
If you only have 100m to spend while the oppo has 300m the least you should do is buy the players where you are weakest.
Honestly like Klopp is a cunt.
Never. Nothing compares.
Roy, Kenny, Rafa and Brendan bought some SHIT players but at least, AT LEAST they were in the positions we actually needed.
I'll never ever get over it. Seeing fucking Lovren, Firmino, Mignolet, Henderson, Milner and Can fucking around week in week out doesn't help.
If you only have 100m to spend while the oppo has 300m the least you should do is buy the players where you are weakest.
Honestly like Klopp is a cunt.
They were perfect for him. Why do you think he persists with Karius? Players he wanted as he saw them as best fit or his kinda players. There are plenty of defenders out there better than our two, but he won't go near them. Vvd or nobody. He saw Ox as a great fit for us for some reason so blew that money on him rather than a defender as vvd wasn't available. When we didn't even need Ox.
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