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Torres to City
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=39155.msg1063953#msg1063953 date=1267689651]
Who would he replace anyways?
Adebayor?
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I wouldn't imagine they think that far ahead.
Who would he replace anyways?
Adebayor?
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I wouldn't imagine they think that far ahead.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39155.msg1063953#msg1063953 date=1267689651]
Who would he replace anyways?
Adebayor?
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They would probably throw in Bellers in the deal which should please some of the blerts who said we shouldn't of got rid in the 1st place.
Who would he replace anyways?
Adebayor?
[/quote]
They would probably throw in Bellers in the deal which should please some of the blerts who said we shouldn't of got rid in the 1st place.
From here... http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Report-Liverpool-striker-Torres-favours-Barcelona-move-if-he-leaves-Anfield/6170/
Report: Liverpool striker Torres favours Barcelona move if he leaves Anfield
According to Spanish newspaper Sport, Liverpool striker Fernando Torres is keen on a move to Catalan giants Barcelona, if he is forced to leave Anfield.
Sport suggests that Liverpool may have to sell their prized assets, including Torres in order to help repay the club's large financial debt. Although both Chelsea and Manchester City have been linked with the 25 year-old, Torres reportedly would prefer a move to Barcelona.
Sport discounts the possibility of a transfer to Real Madrid, given Torres' loyalty to his former club Atletico Madrid. But the Liverpool striker apparently feels "a great sympathy" for Barcelona and "wouldn't hesitate a single moment" to move to the Nou Camp.
During his time at Atletico Madrid, Barcelona president Joan Laporta "was flirting" with the signing of Torres, according to Sport.
"El Nino" has been outstanding since moving to Anfield in 2007 and has scored 13 goals in 21 matches for Liverpool so far this season.
Report: Liverpool striker Torres favours Barcelona move if he leaves Anfield
According to Spanish newspaper Sport, Liverpool striker Fernando Torres is keen on a move to Catalan giants Barcelona, if he is forced to leave Anfield.
Sport suggests that Liverpool may have to sell their prized assets, including Torres in order to help repay the club's large financial debt. Although both Chelsea and Manchester City have been linked with the 25 year-old, Torres reportedly would prefer a move to Barcelona.
Sport discounts the possibility of a transfer to Real Madrid, given Torres' loyalty to his former club Atletico Madrid. But the Liverpool striker apparently feels "a great sympathy" for Barcelona and "wouldn't hesitate a single moment" to move to the Nou Camp.
During his time at Atletico Madrid, Barcelona president Joan Laporta "was flirting" with the signing of Torres, according to Sport.
"El Nino" has been outstanding since moving to Anfield in 2007 and has scored 13 goals in 21 matches for Liverpool so far this season.
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=39155.msg1063938#msg1063938 date=1267685762]
Im sick of the City propaganda machine churning out story after story about Fernando Torres. He has said he doesnt want to leave, Benitez doesnt want to sell, the fans want him to stay. There is nothing to discuss.
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Im sick of the City propaganda machine churning out story after story about Fernando Torres. He has said he doesnt want to leave, Benitez doesnt want to sell, the fans want him to stay. There is nothing to discuss.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39155.msg1063960#msg1063960 date=1267690906]
Not good, though I'm guessing the "wouldn't hesitate a single moment" is either exaggeration on behalf of the journo, or taken out of context, as per.
*crosses fingers*
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the thing that fucks me off is if torres is sold to cover the huge debt those debts aren't because we spent shit loads of money on players or to build a stadium, those debts are because we are paying for the privilage of the yanks owning us.
Not good, though I'm guessing the "wouldn't hesitate a single moment" is either exaggeration on behalf of the journo, or taken out of context, as per.
*crosses fingers*
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the thing that fucks me off is if torres is sold to cover the huge debt those debts aren't because we spent shit loads of money on players or to build a stadium, those debts are because we are paying for the privilage of the yanks owning us.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39155.msg1063898#msg1063898 date=1267667644]
If we sell Torres our time as a top 4 team will be at an end.
And if City offer 100M how can we say no?
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Because it is worth more than 100 m to be a top 4 team.
If we sell Torres our time as a top 4 team will be at an end.
And if City offer 100M how can we say no?
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Because it is worth more than 100 m to be a top 4 team.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
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By a different manager?
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
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By a different manager?
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
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The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39155.msg1064007#msg1064007 date=1267701555]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
By a different manager?
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why not benitez? he'd be the first manager in history to turn an £80m profit on a player, which would, technically, make him a fantastic transfer market operator.
crazy times.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
By a different manager?
[/quote]
why not benitez? he'd be the first manager in history to turn an £80m profit on a player, which would, technically, make him a fantastic transfer market operator.
crazy times.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=39155.msg1064011#msg1064011 date=1267702576]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39155.msg1064007#msg1064007 date=1267701555]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
By a different manager?
[/quote]
why not benitez? he'd be the first manager in history to turn an £80m profit on a player, which would, technically, make him a fantastic transfer market operator.
crazy times.
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80M = 4X Aquilani/Keane though... 😉
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39155.msg1064007#msg1064007 date=1267701555]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
By a different manager?
[/quote]
why not benitez? he'd be the first manager in history to turn an £80m profit on a player, which would, technically, make him a fantastic transfer market operator.
crazy times.
[/quote]
80M = 4X Aquilani/Keane though... 😉
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=39155.msg1064015#msg1064015 date=1267703209]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=39155.msg1064011#msg1064011 date=1267702576]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39155.msg1064007#msg1064007 date=1267701555]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
By a different manager?
[/quote]
why not benitez? he'd be the first manager in history to turn an £80m profit on a player, which would, technically, make him a fantastic transfer market operator.
crazy times.
[/quote]
80M = 4X Aquilani/Keane though... 😉
[/quote]
We'd have a wonderful bench.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=39155.msg1064011#msg1064011 date=1267702576]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39155.msg1064007#msg1064007 date=1267701555]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
By a different manager?
[/quote]
why not benitez? he'd be the first manager in history to turn an £80m profit on a player, which would, technically, make him a fantastic transfer market operator.
crazy times.
[/quote]
80M = 4X Aquilani/Keane though... 😉
[/quote]
We'd have a wonderful bench.
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39155.msg1064007#msg1064007 date=1267701555]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
By a different manager?
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No.
Even if it wasn't Rafa though, it would supply ample funds for the new man to sort things out.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
By a different manager?
[/quote]
No.
Even if it wasn't Rafa though, it would supply ample funds for the new man to sort things out.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064022#msg1064022 date=1267705684]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
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I like Rafa too mate, and I want him to stay on as our manager. I just wonder how confident the yanks would be giving him all that money.
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
I like Rafa too mate, and I want him to stay on as our manager. I just wonder how confident the yanks would be giving him all that money.
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064025#msg1064025 date=1267706653]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064022#msg1064022 date=1267705684]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
I like Rafa too mate, and I want him to stay on as our manager. I just wonder how confident the yanks would be giving him all that money.
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Why wouldn't they be? Consider our squad value now to when he took over.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064022#msg1064022 date=1267705684]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
I like Rafa too mate, and I want him to stay on as our manager. I just wonder how confident the yanks would be giving him all that money.
[/quote]
Why wouldn't they be? Consider our squad value now to when he took over.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39155.msg1063937#msg1063937 date=1267684373]
Look, I'm wasted so feel free to ignore this - but if you stop supporting Liverpool because we have sold fernando torres, then you never deserved to support out club in the fist place.
We should sell him if they offered 90-100M, providing 100% was reinvested into the squad or stadium.
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Read Fark's post.
It's not that we support Torres more than the club, it's just the fact that these Arab and Russian billionaires can swan in and within a year effectively erradicate what we've done over 50 years of trying to build our club up. Football wouldn't be about the best players, managers, etc. It'd become about who has the richest owner. It's a fucking shambles as it is. If Torres was to go (and the £100 million probably wouldn't be invested in the squad) football would be dead to me for the aforementioned reasons.
Look, I'm wasted so feel free to ignore this - but if you stop supporting Liverpool because we have sold fernando torres, then you never deserved to support out club in the fist place.
We should sell him if they offered 90-100M, providing 100% was reinvested into the squad or stadium.
[/quote]
Read Fark's post.
It's not that we support Torres more than the club, it's just the fact that these Arab and Russian billionaires can swan in and within a year effectively erradicate what we've done over 50 years of trying to build our club up. Football wouldn't be about the best players, managers, etc. It'd become about who has the richest owner. It's a fucking shambles as it is. If Torres was to go (and the £100 million probably wouldn't be invested in the squad) football would be dead to me for the aforementioned reasons.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064022#msg1064022 date=1267705684]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
Yet about £200m spent since we were a Champions League winner hasn't been enough to complete it ....
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
Yet about £200m spent since we were a Champions League winner hasn't been enough to complete it ....
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39155.msg1064162#msg1064162 date=1267730233]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064022#msg1064022 date=1267705684]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
Yet about £200m spent since we were a Champions League winner hasn't been enough to complete it ....
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His net spend is around the same as Villa's (£13m-15m per season).
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064022#msg1064022 date=1267705684]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
Yet about £200m spent since we were a Champions League winner hasn't been enough to complete it ....
[/quote]
His net spend is around the same as Villa's (£13m-15m per season).
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39155.msg1064162#msg1064162 date=1267730233]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064022#msg1064022 date=1267705684]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
Yet about £200m spent since we were a Champions League winner hasn't been enough to complete it ....
[/quote]
200m over 5 years for a club our size is a pittance. Man City did more than that LAST season! We also had to recoup a sizeable sum of the cash spent. If we want to seriously compete on all fronts, we would have to spend in the region of 50m + sales.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064022#msg1064022 date=1267705684]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39155.msg1064008#msg1064008 date=1267702309]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39155.msg1064000#msg1064000 date=1267700787]
I could live with Torres going if we got close to £100m for him AND it was all reinvested into the squad.
[/quote]
The next question is do you trust Rafa with all that cash?
[/quote]
I think you know the answer to that mate. £100m spent on our team (even at the expense of Torres) should be enough to complete our squad.
[/quote]
Yet about £200m spent since we were a Champions League winner hasn't been enough to complete it ....
[/quote]
200m over 5 years for a club our size is a pittance. Man City did more than that LAST season! We also had to recoup a sizeable sum of the cash spent. If we want to seriously compete on all fronts, we would have to spend in the region of 50m + sales.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39155.msg1063901#msg1063901 date=1267667766]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39155.msg1063898#msg1063898 date=1267667644]
If we sell Torres our time as a top 4 team will be at an end.
And if City offer 100M how can we say no?
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Isn't that a huge contradiction?
'We shouldn't sell him cos we'd no longer mak the top 4, but we should sell him cos we'd get 100M for him.'
Right.
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No contradiction.
We won't make the top 4 without Torres with Villa Spurs and City improving each year, but we cannot afford as a business to say no to 100m for one player.
In fact no football club could except maybe City and madrid.
And both times Torres has played a big part in the season or have you forgotten that. Out for a few months is totally different to being gone.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39155.msg1063898#msg1063898 date=1267667644]
If we sell Torres our time as a top 4 team will be at an end.
And if City offer 100M how can we say no?
[/quote]
Isn't that a huge contradiction?
'We shouldn't sell him cos we'd no longer mak the top 4, but we should sell him cos we'd get 100M for him.'
Right.
[/quote]
No contradiction.
We won't make the top 4 without Torres with Villa Spurs and City improving each year, but we cannot afford as a business to say no to 100m for one player.
In fact no football club could except maybe City and madrid.
And both times Torres has played a big part in the season or have you forgotten that. Out for a few months is totally different to being gone.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39155.msg1064468#msg1064468 date=1267788421]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39155.msg1063901#msg1063901 date=1267667766]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39155.msg1063898#msg1063898 date=1267667644]
If we sell Torres our time as a top 4 team will be at an end.
And if City offer 100M how can we say no?
[/quote]
Isn't that a huge contradiction?
'We shouldn't sell him cos we'd no longer mak the top 4, but we should sell him cos we'd get 100M for him.'
Right.
[/quote]
No contradiction.
We won't make the top 4 without Torres with Villa Spurs and City improving each year, but we cannot afford as a business to say no to 100m for one player.
In fact no football club could except maybe City and madrid.
And both times Torres has played a big part in the season or have you forgotten that. Out for a few months is totally different to being gone.
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Liverpool has seldom sold its best players at the top of their game. We are not a selling club. Why not sell Gerrard, Masher, Reina too? We'd get close to 200m for that lot.
Business my arse.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39155.msg1063901#msg1063901 date=1267667766]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39155.msg1063898#msg1063898 date=1267667644]
If we sell Torres our time as a top 4 team will be at an end.
And if City offer 100M how can we say no?
[/quote]
Isn't that a huge contradiction?
'We shouldn't sell him cos we'd no longer mak the top 4, but we should sell him cos we'd get 100M for him.'
Right.
[/quote]
No contradiction.
We won't make the top 4 without Torres with Villa Spurs and City improving each year, but we cannot afford as a business to say no to 100m for one player.
In fact no football club could except maybe City and madrid.
And both times Torres has played a big part in the season or have you forgotten that. Out for a few months is totally different to being gone.
[/quote]
Liverpool has seldom sold its best players at the top of their game. We are not a selling club. Why not sell Gerrard, Masher, Reina too? We'd get close to 200m for that lot.
Business my arse.
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