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City are in contact with Torres over a move.

Dont shoot the messenger and all that but the source on this works pretty high up at City and has confirmed it as true and I trust them 100%.

I would not think he would be in talks unless the owners have accepted a bid and have told him they want him to go.
 
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We turned down 70M from them last summer.

Unless they've offered 100M, this is going nowhere.
 
Everything ever said by Torres leads me to think that 1) he'll be off at some point and 2) it won't be in the UK unless we completely fell apart

I love Torres as a player, and I know this is cynical, but everything he's ever said has been well crafted PR, a little too well crafted. He'd go if the right opportunity came along and his ambitions weren't met here. He'd say nice things about the fans on the way out and people would apologize for him.

Selling Torres would be a massive signal to everyone that we are done. I knew that when Ronaldo left, others would pick up the slack, Rooney chief amongst them, however the same is definitely not true of our team.
 
If we sell Torres our time as a top 4 team will be at an end.

And if City offer 100M how can we say no?
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39155.msg1063898#msg1063898 date=1267667644]
If we sell Torres our time as a top 4 team will be at an end.

And if City offer 100M how can we say no?
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Isn't that a huge contradiction?

'We shouldn't sell him cos we'd no longer mak the top 4, but we should sell him cos we'd get 100M for him.'

Right.
 
Oh and by the way Dreamy, twice under Rafa we've finished in the Top 4 without Torres in the squad.
 
I think unless investment is imminent i.e. Purslow's hunt for a cash injection ASAP, the Yanks will sell him this summer.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39155.msg1063903#msg1063903 date=1267668024]

I think unless investment is imminent i.e. Purslow's hunt for a cash injection ASAP, the Yanks will sell him this summer.

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I don't.

It'd be the end of them, and surely even they know that.
 
Selling him would be suicide. While it would fund our loan repayments for a while, it would dramatically hurt the squad, while also directly strengthening a rival thus seeing us fall down the league and damaging the Yanks investment. It just wouldn't help.

Then again thinking logically might be futile when trying to see things from our owners point of view.
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39155.msg1063905#msg1063905 date=1267668252]
Selling him would be suicide. While it would fund our loan repayments for a while, it would dramatically hurt the squad, while also directly strengthening a rival thus seeing us fall down the league and damaging the Yanks investment. It just wouldn't help.

Then again thinking logically might be futile when trying to see things from our owners point of view.
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True, but I dont think even the Yanks are that short-sighted.

We've been significantly weakened; that plus our team and manager's inadequacies has thrown us out of every competition in Europe/England.

HOw much money is that lost?


20 million?

I'm sure they'd see what would happen if we keep selling our best players.
 
I know, Avvy, that's what I'm hoping. Im hoping they see it the logical way too. You never know, though.

If we sell Torres, though, it would just prove that we're on the way down and that you can just buy success. Football will have lost its soul and I for one wouldn't bother watching anymore.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39155.msg1063893#msg1063893 date=1267665898]
Why does everyone have their own "source" these days?
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Listen mate all im doing is passing on information from someone I know and trust who happens to work for City. I dont have an eastlands mole or whatever...Its somebody in a position to know from the money side of things.

I wouldnt post it if I didnt believe it. If he goes or not is a different ball game but the fact they are sounding him out for a move, well would you expect anything else from them with all that cash?
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39155.msg1063917#msg1063917 date=1267675240]
I will quit supporting football if this happens.
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Yep me too.
 
On one hand, they may see it as killing 3 birds with one stone; it would be a massive cash injection for the club, Benitez would quit in protest (avoiding a sizeable pay-off) and it would provide an incoming Manager with some money to play with (albeit probably not much).

On the other hand, they would surely never be able to set foot in the UK again, we would effectively be handing over our top 4 status to City, the club would be worth less, out of the CL elite group and unable to attract the top players (not that we have the cash to sign many anyway).

Great players have left this club before and the club has always moved on. However, they've never been sold for the reason we might have to cash in on Torres. If Torres is sold and no new investment is found quickly, it will be safe to assume we are heading in one direction. Down.
 
The players and the fans are the heart and soul of the club. Especially players like Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Mascherano. If Torres were to leave simply on the basis of money it will have such a bad effect on the club as Larry has said above. It will be a disaster if it happens and we will be out of top European football for a long time. Never mind speaking of a title challenge.
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39155.msg1063923#msg1063923 date=1267677727]
The players and the fans are the heart and soul of the club. Especially players like Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Mascherano. If Torres were to leave simply on the basis of money it will have such a bad effect on the club as Larry has said above. It will be a disaster if it happens and we will be out of top European football for a long time. Never mind speaking of a title challenge.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39155.msg1063924#msg1063924 date=1267677898]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39155.msg1063923#msg1063923 date=1267677727]
The players and the fans are the heart and soul of the club. Especially players like Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Mascherano. If Torres were to leave simply on the basis of money it will have such a bad effect on the club as Larry has said above. It will be a disaster if it happens and we will be out of top European football for a long time. Never mind speaking of a title challenge.
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/\ Worst case scenario.

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Yeah probably. I just love Torres and couldn't bear to see him leave under these circumstances. Especially to City. We must get fourth, hold on to our key players and hope the Americans don't cash in.
 
If he has to leave, let him to abroad. There is no way we should sell him to a team in England, even if they offer 100 mill.
 
Look, I'm wasted so feel free to ignore this - but if you stop supporting Liverpool because we have sold fernando torres, then you never deserved to support out club in the fist place.

We should sell him if they offered 90-100M, providing 100% was reinvested into the squad or stadium.
 
Im sick of the City propaganda machine churning out story after story about Fernando Torres. He has said he doesnt want to leave, Benitez doesnt want to sell, the fans want him to stay. There is nothing to discuss.
 
if torres left/was sold I wouldn't stop watching liverpool because my love of the club extends to more than just the players. also, when some offers you 'crazy' money you take it. in no way shape or form do I want torres sold, I think he is the best striker in the world but for the sake of speculation if we had (for example) bent upfront who have been injury free pretty much all season how much worse would be points wise?

basically torres leaving wouldn't be the end of the world providing the money was reinvested wisely, but that is far from guaranteed. also AM qualified for the CL a season after torres was sold.
 
There was an article on the BBC gossip page yesterday quoting an interview he did in Spain. It´s gone now, but the thrust of the article was that if he ever had to leave Liverpool, where he is very happy, it would probably be to Barcalona. He ruled out Madrid as he is an Atleti fan and said if he left Liverpool he would prefer to move abroad.

That´s about all I can remember. I shall try and find the interview in Marca or whatever.
 
It isn't really Torres leaving that would make people think about ceasing interest in football.

The money that has poured into football was an opportunity exploited brilliantly by the champions league. The CL has demonstrably fucked up the parity within the major leagues in Europe, and we've benefited from that, in fact it, along with our past success and associated strong brand, were the only things keeping us punching above our gate receipts. But, who could argue we didn't deserve that? We should if anything have been capitalising more on that, not less.

The CL has created a league within a league, and it becomes stronger year after year, as evidenced in its expansion of format, its expansion of scheduling, and the increasing value placed on finishing fourth or better in the league as an means to an end. The battle for fourth gets mentioned a month into the season now.

Compounding this economic reality is the proven fact (thanks Abramovich) that you CAN buy entry into this club, and that any club that doesn't have entry, especially those which aren't located in large population centres, will suffer, and if they were denied entry for years on the trot, they would slowly fade from significance.

One club has already bought their way in, and now another is doing it. If Man City did it at our expense, and then took our most valuable player asset simply because banks required funds, it wouldn't be wholly financial - some of it would be Rafa's fault. The chief factor however would be down to their having no need for a sensible business model, while we strain under the yoke of debt.

So there you'd have the most storied club in English football consigned to history, largely irrelevant, perhaps permanently, not chiefly because they were bested on the field, not because rivals had built themselves up year after year with good management, but because of a poor take over by owners that saw a financial opportunity, a calamitous economic environment, a corrupt Russian oil baron, and an Arab celebrating the shifting axis of wealth with a new fucking toy.

I'd forgive someone for wondering whether that's what football should all be about. Even some short term analysis that the FT has done recently has the most explanatory value concerning football, and that's fucking sad.
 
I don't think Torres will go to City but they're clearly not going to let this one go for a while yet. He one of biggest (perhaps the biggest since Ronaldo has gone) stars in the Premiership and they seem him as attainable. And why shouldn't they given our current state both on and off the pitch.

The only thing we can do is try and hold onto that 4th spot in the hope that we'll get the chance to do some damage control in the summer.
 
Great post Farky.

There's a fickleness where the money is involved though. Chelsea have now established themselves within the elite and our a major force, but are they more attractive now than when Abramovich first took over? When he first arrived, the World and it's wife wanted to go there, now it seems that the money has stopped pouring into them, and they're no more attractive than any of the other big clubs, so I guess it does even out. But yeah, if Torres were to go to City, it'd just be another nail in the coffin for many fans.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39155.msg1063949#msg1063949 date=1267689265]
I don't think Torres will go to City but they're clearly not going to let this one go for a while yet. He one of biggest (perhaps the biggest since Ronaldo has gone) stars in the Premiership and they seem him as attainable. And why shouldn't they given our current state both on and off the pitch.

The only thing we can do is try and hold onto that 4th spot in the hope that we'll get the chance to do some damage control in the summer.
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I'd imagine ahead of the World Cup, where interest in Torres is sure to intensify, they're making their interest more than known to try and get ahead of the interested clubs.
 
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