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So you want him to go even if he's successful?
at least 'repetitive' will have some good humor involved!
Good one.
As I said, it applies to everyone the same, but with a lower standard than you seem to think necessary to qualify as a bias. I'm not sure how you not knowing the meaning of 'bias' is my fault. Google it.
I don't usually agree with peterhague, but I think he makes a lot of valid points in this thread. However, let's wait and see how things develop a few games into the season. If Rodgers pushes out the likes of Lucas, Moreno and Markovic, marginalizes Sakho and Can AND doesn't have the results to show for it, he won't have many defenders.
Not sure we need more cunt and spastic thrown around really. I suppose we could be a bit short on swivel eyed and headwand.
Maybe injuries did knock his plans, but it was still clearly evident that he had a piss poor plan in trying to either replace Suarez goals or make us stronger defensively. He still hasn't learnt from this summer based on the current signings.
And it also pits Rodgers v. The committee.
However Rodgers is on the committee.
It's bizarre that people want to drive a wedge through the club when it's apparent everyone is on the same page.
I've read one good article about last weekends football amongst a whole lot of drivel. Barret is part of the drivel. This narrative based 'analysis' that attempts to create soap opera stories about football is dull, uninformative and the reason why the media are held in such low regard.
If Barrett was a proper football writer he'd come up with an explanation of what Rodgers game plan appeared to be, the extent to which it worked and ideas as to how it might be rethought/reworked etc.
I read a great one about Uniteds problems, wasn't that long
I agree to some extent, but what I'm attempting to describe is bias in the sense of a stubborn inclination towards his own approach as opposed to the committee's and the various ways it's manifested. It's not mainly seen in obviously unfair team selections - although that does happen - but in longer term treatment of players rarely given chances in their best positions and then this summer how he's gone about changing his squad.
It doesn't even particularly bother me that he is inclined more towards his own signings - I'd be surprised if he weren't. What bothers me is that his signings fit a really worrying pattern IMO.
It is possible for a journalist to write innumerable articles about different aspects of a club and a manager. The problem is, when he or she does it, some little twerp comes along, ignores all but one and complains it's not covering something that some of the other ones cover.
While I like Barrett and think he as Macca says have excellent contacts and is a fan himself, I think this bit in his article isnt very well thought through:
"By choosing Nathaniel Clyne, Dejan Lovren, James Milner, Adam Lallana and Christian Benteke — players that he identified and convinced his employers to sign — and overlooking players such as Mamadou Sakho, Lazar Markovic, Alberto Moreno and Divock Origi, who arrived via the committee system installed by FSG, Rodgers removed any lingering doubts about his authority. This is his team and his way."
Markovic hasnt impressed in pre season and wouldnt replace either Lallana or Ibe, Moreno has been injured during pre season and Gomez have been very good and deserved his start, Origi is a kid and although he had a decent pre season who would start a 19 year old instead of Benteke.
Sakho for Lovren is the one the you might argue against. I wanted Sakho to start. But Rodgers opted for Lovren 2 weeks before the season started it seems and with our defensive performance, Lovrens performance and clean sheet its tough to argue against it.
Firmino is 2 weeks behind the rest fitness wise, as is Can. Should they have started? No.
So for all this its his team now. The reason he picked the team he did is quite easy to understand and its got nothing to do with our internal politics and committee discussions.
Last season the "committee" signings got the following: Moreno 28 games, Sakho 16 games, Can 27 games. Can't see much bias against these signings there either.
Its fine that certain people dont rate the manager or like him, but at least support him while he's in charge. Not wanting us to be successfull with him in charge is just weird.
And dont compare him to Hodgson. He's nothing like him.
"By choosing Nathaniel Clyne, Dejan Lovren, James Milner, Adam Lallana and Christian Benteke — players that he identified and convinced his employers to sign — and overlooking players such as Mamadou Sakho, Lazar Markovic, Alberto Moreno and Divock Origi, who arrived via the committee system installed by FSG, Rodgers removed any lingering doubts about his authority. This is his team and his way."
Markovic hasnt impressed in pre season and wouldnt replace either Lallana or Ibe, Moreno has been injured during pre season and Gomez have been very good and deserved his start, Origi is a kid and although he had a decent pre season who would start a 19 year old instead of Benteke.
Sakho for Lovren is the one the you might argue against. I wanted Sakho to start. But Rodgers opted for Lovren 2 weeks before the season started it seems and with our defensive performance, Lovrens performance and clean sheet its tough to argue against it.
Firmino is 2 weeks behind the rest fitness wise, as is Can. Should they have started? No.
So for all this its his team now. The reason he picked the team he did is quite easy to understand and its got nothing to do with our internal politics and committee discussions.
Last season the "committee" signings got the following: Moreno 28 games, Sakho 16 games, Can 27 games. Can't see much bias against these signings there either.
Its fine that certain people dont rate the manager or like him, but at least support him while he's in charge. Not wanting us to be successfull with him in charge is just weird.
And dont compare him to Hodgson. He's nothing like him.
It's also possible to write a reply without sounding like a twat. Try it.
I wouldn't pay to read shite from the Times but if you want to post Barretts insightful football analysis to show I'm wrong by all means go ahead and do it. (or just get into a strop instead)
What about Luuk De Jong, Gaston Ramirez, Rasmus Elm, and Roberto Soldado? We were linked with all of those in 2012, but that was before the committee?! How could this be? I thought Brendan Rodgers was only interested in overpriced average premier league players? God knows why he bought Assaidi that year too, maybe he was feeling rebellious, wanted to mix it up. I'm assuming you also believe Sturridge was purely a committee signing, because he turned out good, and Rodgers doesn't sign good players, it's in the scientific criteria we've devised during his tenure.
You know what, you've inspired me, I'm going to look back over the last three years and decide that everytime we won a match, the tactics and team selection were devised by Rodgers alone, no input from anyone else, just him, however all the games we lost was when the line up committee, ie Pascoe set out the team, and Rodgers wasn't allowed to meddle, we can't have Rodgers having too much control after all. That pesky Pascoe, losing us so many games, if only he hadn't been so stubborn and had listened to Brendan, just imagine where we'd be now, we'd be unbeaten, just think. Now I know there's no evidence to support this, except maybe a couple of opinion pieces from some respected journalists, but it's awfully convenient and it fits my agenda, so it must be trufax. I'm so glad Rodgers got rid of the line up committee this summer so he can go back to being fully in charge of all games, it's already having an effect, just look at our season so far, we've won every premier league game we've played, outstanding!
For anyone who is not on message, this is where you praise Macca for being a comedic genius to massage his ego.
Anyway, I await the footballing analysis from Tony 'i dont know how I'm still in this job' Barrett
I'm guessing people talk in those terms for the sole reason that it's easier to refer to 'the committee' than 'the other members of the committee'.
The point is there's a group of 4 or 5 people and one of them *would appear* to have fairly different ideas from the others.
This committee concept sounds great, a scout goes out and identifies some players with lots of potential, brings back the reports to the manager and the ceo, all three of them then discuss the player and the alternatives at length, before coming to a conclusion about whether to sign him or not, it sounds so logical, I'm genuinely shocked more clubs don't operate this way.
A committee is how you get a camel.
Stop being a bloody fool.
Your counter-examples border on the pathetic.
Ah yes, the infamous 'Luuk de Jong saga'!
Ramirez had already been linked when Kenny was here. He was in all likelihood another in the 'agent talk' category of persistent but spurious targets of Shaqiri and Kovacic.
Rasmus Elm????? You're really stretching there. I've got practically a photographic memory for nonsense like this but he's a new one even on me.
Soldado perhaps is more valid but even there it's still just one player set against 6 or 7 established Rodgers targets who all fit a pattern.
Assaidi, funnily enough, has long been considered to have been signed on the recommendation of one Jen Chang - certainly not a key Rodgers target and probably no more than 'approved' by him along with other decision makers.
LOL I've just googled Rasmus Elm and Luuk de Jong and it turns out they were linked while Kenny was still here, and referred to explicitly as his targets.
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I wish we'd have found a good Sporting Director to begin with instead of that chancer Commolli and then perhaps we wouldn't be having these arguments now.
The idea that someone with such a short-term agenda has a hand in decisions with such a long-term impact is frightening.
The idea that someone with such a short-term agenda has a hand in decisions with such a long-term impact is frightening.
Who is predictably long term at any club?
Commolli was hired by Hicks and Gillette, they went before him, the new owners got shut. Everything is in flux now.
Teeth is the second longest serving manager in the fucking league! Behind Wenker.
Manure fans are having a fit that LvG has already said he wants to leave in 2017. If he lasts till then he's in the running to be at least in the top 3, probably top 1.
Commolli was hired by Hicks and Gillette, they went before him, the new owners got shut. Everything is in flux now.
Teeth is the second longest serving manager in the fucking league! Behind Wenker.
Manure fans are having a fit that LvG has already said he wants to leave in 2017. If he lasts till then he's in the running to be at least in the top 3, probably top 1.
Except the purported committee signings haven't been that great either.
Aspas, Alberto, Manquillo, Balotelli - failed.
Moreno and Markovic have some talent, but don't seem suited for English football.
Sakho has shown glimpses but overall not been all that. A bit like Allen and Mignolet (purported Rodgers signings)
Jury still out on Ilori and Origi.
Coutinho, Sturridge and Can seem to be the only successes so far. Firmino should hopefully be in this bracket.
So the recruitment seems very patchy overall - irrespective of whether you split the signings between Rodgers and the committee.
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