Fucking shit result.
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If I'm paying 32m for a winger I'd need Hazard production to justify the cost.
9 goals, 5 assists.
A bit of hard work and 2 goals, at age 25 from a winger is not worth a fuck.
That's not even as good as a 19 year old Sterling
Jose proving again he's the best manager in the world.
What a performance.
What a performance.
He's been here 6 months though and his performances and contribution to the team are getting better and better.
Great player.
Yes Mourinho is a brilliant tactician and there is not many better building a team or getting them to perform. But the fact that he needs a gazillion to the spend and only takes on the jobs were his clubs are already the richest and got the best squads tarnishes a bit for me.
If he could do the same with a small club with a shite budget I'd take my hat of and call him one of the better managers in the game. He also is the biggest cunt alive and it would be a pleasure to smash his face in.
Great player.
Yes Mourinho is a brilliant tactician and there is not many better building a team or getting them to perform. But the fact that he needs a gazillion to the spend and only takes on the jobs were his clubs are already the richest and got the best squads tarnishes a bit for me.
If he could do the same with a small club with a shite budget I'd take my hat of and call him one of the better managers in the game. He also is the biggest cunt alive and it would be a pleasure to smash his face in.
Why aren't Chelsea top of the League?, you'd think that with a genius at the helm and a budget the size of a small country they'd be ahead of Wenger's bargain binners.
“Because we love the big games, that why we do well in them! When you love the big games, you feel extra motivated for them. I keep saying the evolution of this team is not to play the Europa League and be 20 points behind in the Premier League, but to play the the big games like this with pressure. And we showed aesthetically mentally we were fantastic.”
🙄 No prizes for guessing who this aimed at...
🙄 No prizes for guessing who this aimed at...
Materazzi has reopened the feud once again by criticising Benitez's measures and resorting to personal insults via his personal Twitter account(@iomatrix23).
"The same tactics, the same methods, the same bootlicking... We are starting to get to know you. Better late than never," wrote Materazzi, who also added an emoticon of a pig to his tweet.
What does "aesthetically mentally" mean?
Wouldn't he be better winning something first after his failure at RM, he shouldn't be throwing stones just yet. Still behind Arsene's bargain binners as well.
Wouldn't he be better winning something first after his failure at RM, he shouldn't be throwing stones just yet. Still behind Arsene's bargain binners as well.
Fantastic result (probably the best of the weekend) and a cracking game as well.
Bar the first 20 minutes when City looked the goods, Chelsea were the better team by adistance. Matic is some player and would have been exactly what we need unfortunately.
Bit of a step for us to compete like that IMO - at least for 90 minutes. That said, we're capable of making up some points against all three of them - particularly Arsenal - while they're in the thick of the CL. Almost a shame that Arsenal won't be going past the next round.
Bar the first 20 minutes when City looked the goods, Chelsea were the better team by adistance. Matic is some player and would have been exactly what we need unfortunately.
Bit of a step for us to compete like that IMO - at least for 90 minutes. That said, we're capable of making up some points against all three of them - particularly Arsenal - while they're in the thick of the CL. Almost a shame that Arsenal won't be going past the next round.
I can appreciate greatness even if my Knob sufferers for it
No, I wouldn't put him into the 'greatest manager of all time' discussion either. At least not yet. But he is definitely one of the best managers in the game now. And I think you're wrong about him not being able to put his principles to work in an average team. His principles of coaching are pretty universal (I read his book in which he talks about some of them) and there is proof early in his career that they work just as well with mid table teams. Mourihno took modest Uniao de Leiria to the best league position in their history (5th) and when he left them mid-season they were 3rd. That same mid-season he took the Porto team that was languishing in 5th place at the time and guided them to 3rd place, then won the league with the highest points total ever next season.
This charge of Mourihno only being able to work his magic with expensive players is often heard and I think it's completely without merit. The reason he doesn't coach mediocre teams is because, obviously, as one of the best managers in the game he gets to work with the best teams. Could he take over West Ham now and take them to Europa League next season? Definitely. Shoring up the defense, giving every player clear instructions based on their objective strengths and limitations, bringing the team spirit together – there is no one better at this than Mourihno.
If you want an example of a manager who achieves great results with top-tier players, but flounders in other circumstances, I'll give you Vicente del Bosque. Amazingly successful at Real Madrid and Spain national team; sacked from Besiktas after one disappointing season. But he is very different type from Mourihno; he has a superb feel for creating dressing room harmony and resolving conflicts and is a very respected father figure for the players. But he does not have his own training methodology or a recognizable football philosophy; in his work as Spain coach he just pretty much adapted Guardiola's tactics for the national team. Now that Barca doesn't have an invincible model of play, I suspect the national team will experience similar struggles.
I didn't mention 'expensive players' - I mentioned the teams. Taking Porto - one of the most successful, richest teams in Portugal - to the top, regardless of where they are, isn't saying that much.
Your point about West Ham is irrelevant - he'd never take a job like this, which is what my point is. He'll always take a team which has the financial tools, and set up, to succeed. He's not going to take a job which may ruin his legacy - he's a pussy in that sense through and through.
I'm no real fan of Jose but I'd disagree with this analysis quite strongly, ALT. Mourinho has consistently shown that he can improve the performance of teams. His background has seen him do better at clubs than every manager before him and an ability to change things when they're not working. Certainly not a candidate for best ever but he'd improve just about any team he joined IMO.
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Would he be able to do what Shanks did? What Ferguson did? What he even be able to do what Rafa did with Valencia?
I don't get the first comment tbh - I said he's a great manager, I just don't think his inability to hold a job for more than 3 years, plus his seeming refusal to take on a 'challenged' club, highlights a man who picks his clubs based on the success he can bring them in the short term. I guess me mentioning Ferguson earlier (& now) kinda destroys your assumption as I don't think 'dislike' is the word I'd use for that cunt (great manager mind).
So why are you disagreeing? I said he's a great manager but he's not one of the greatest ever, and won't come close, until he takes a team that doesn't have the power Porto had in Portugal, or Chelsea/Inter/Madrid had in their respective clubs. He didn't build those teams - he got them practically made and did what he does best - motivate, organize etc - to take their ability to the next level. I don't think that takes away from his ability as a manager. I'm saying he's great, I just don't think he's capable of taking a mid-size club and building a giant. Maybe that's not possible anymore - but that's how I would view the GOATs ... and he's not in that list imo.
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That's why I'm disagreeing - he'd improve almost any club including mid-table teams. Would he make them a super-power? Probably not unless they had the fiscal foundation to support his success. But if they had the financial base to grow with the success he bought then yes, he could build a super-power. Who knows - maybe he'll do it some day but right now he's having to much fun bringing success to the richest in world football.
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Until he does it, then it's a mute point whether he could and how he would sustain it etc ... That's my main issue with him, and I think it's valid. As I said in my original post, Great? Yes. GOAT? Not even close.
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If he wins the European cup again he would have 3 of those in his cabinet. Same as Sir Bob.
I think in 10 years time he will be talked about in the same breath as Ferguson. Paisley, Busby, Shanks etc.
I don't buy into all this 'He's got to turn a shite team into a great one'
Footballs changed, it doesn't happen anymore and Never will again.
I think in 10 years time he will be talked about in the same breath as Ferguson. Paisley, Busby, Shanks etc.
I don't buy into all this 'He's got to turn a shite team into a great one'
Footballs changed, it doesn't happen anymore and Never will again.
That is like saying Messi / Dalglish aren't the greatest because they've never played in the second tier.
I think it's fair to say he'd struggle but does that disqualify him from being the greatest?
It's just a slightly different skill set. On the flip side I dare say Ferguson / Shanks may not have been able to ease into a new, giant club structure and get them playing that way.
I never said a shite team - I just said take a team that isn't the top tier of the country, without unlimited financial resources, and take it to that level. Don't get me wrong - I love Guardiola, and I think he's in the exact same bracket as Mourinho though. Football hasn't changed that much tbh - it's just the managers in my opinion. I'm hoping Rodgers has something magical about him ...
I think it's a wee bit different for players ...
You see, I don't think he'd struggle. He's a bloody brilliant manager. But I think it says a lot about him that he will never take that kind of job ... I don't think any footy job Ferguson or Shanks would have failed at - short or long term ... but valid point nonetheless.
But but but, he's not turned Halifax into european champions so he's shit. He needs billions to spend to win anything, like he did at errrr Porto.
I'm quite please we dodged him. I thought he did ok last night, but he never looks like doing anything important. He's like the Allen of wingers, he doesn't really do anything wrong, but he doesn't do anything exactly great either. Doesn't create anything and doesn't score, which is surely a wingers job.
Hazard on the other hand is a bit of a bastard. Best winger/wingforward in the league by a mile.
I think Hazard is on a par with Suarez
Hes a brilliant footballer. I think if Chelsea win the league, then he will win player of the year. Which will be ridiculous when you consider what Luis has done.
If we finish top 4, I don't care what individual awards they win tbh. Sadly, I think the Chav twats will win the league.
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