If I were him id walk. Hes been sold a fucking turd.
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it's easy to forget how big a statement it would be for a club like southampton to keep an unhappy player rather than take 60-70 mill. it's really hard to call.
When the right job becomes available, I think he eventually will.
I thought he said he was quitting football altogether in a few years as he doesnt want to be an old man doing it ?
i think you're underestimating how much klopp feels at home here.
I would too. No expectation to win anything 5m a year, the press sucking him off every week because hes a 'Character'
Fuck him too.
So is he complicit in all this? Or just weak?
Who cares?
Its someone's fucking fault if we dont get past the last 16, come 5th and dont win a cup though, innit
I'm quite worried about those comments from Klopp
surely it's expected at this point? we're so clearly not active in the market other than waiting to see if southampton will sell vvd.
You, obviously.
I just think your argument with regard to Klopp makes no sense. The guy wants to win and if he's being hamstrung by FSG, I'm sure he'd walk or moan. The fact he isn't doing either suggests to me it's not some big FSG-led conspiracy.
I dont really give a good fuck what it suggests to you.
Manchester City £220m
Manchester United £145m +Zlat
Chelsea £120mish
Everton £150mish
Spurs £45mish
Arsenal £45mish
Liverpool £42mish
Its a fucking joke. And if Klopp is in on it or not is neither here nor there.
I do think Wenger is the most similar manager to Klopp in the EPL. Both are team-builders, with good eye for young talent, take sports science and things like nutrition very seriously, are not fond of drastic tactical changes, both exhibit great loyalty to their clubs and their players, emphasize development rather than transfers, and play attacking football based on quick synchronized movement and clever use of space. This comparison is not a criticism of Klopp – let's not forget that Wenger actually won stuff in his younger years and I think Klopp now is comparable to this younger Wenger rather than the current somewhat past-it and caricaturized version.
The trait of loyalty to the players does have a downside of sometimes trusting your current squad too much and being too picky in the transfer market. Having said all this, I don't think our lack of activity in the transfer market was the plan all along – however the trait of focusing very narrowly on 1-2 top targets is probably a part of a pattern that both Wenger and Klopp share.
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This was from Klopp's interview last Nov after Edwards' promotion.
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/241974-we-re-creating-a-structure-for-the-future-of-lfc
[article]Transfers are going always the same way, actually. The start is maybe different; whoever brings the player [to the table] – if it’s me, my assistant, the scouting department, Michael or whoever, then we have a lot of things to watch and to talk about and all this stuff. In the end, I will always have the final say. Maybe that’s the most important thing for you to know. If something was wrong since I’ve been here or will be wrong in the future, with transfers, it’s my responsibility. But for all the work we have to do until the player is here, you need a lot of really good people around – and he is a really good person who has done a lot of different jobs in the club. So it’s absolutely natural and absolutely easy to make this decision. How I understand it, only because it’s England it’s a little bit ‘bigger’, because all over the world football clubs work like this – short ways, quick decisions, knowledge, everything you need to make the right decision in the right moment. From now on, that’s with sporting director Michael Edwards involved.[/article]
As I have questioned before, who's to say that Klopp refused suggested alternatives (eg. a Balotelli) because he doesn't want/believe in them? He'll obviously be open to good/interesting/worthy ones such as Solanke and Robertson but I think it's possible that his stance is "I'll rather take no one than have someone forced upon me"
No sealed signings = can't point the finger at me 😛 + why should I take the blame for signings you advocated (whom I don't agree with).
[article]We worked pretty close together before this. Ian Ayre, of course, is a very important person in all negotiations with agents and all that stuff. As a manager, I say ‘We have to go for this player’ and a lot of talks are to do with agents and all that stuff – why should I do this? You need a network and a lot of people, little talks and big talks. I’m involved in all of the big talks but not the small things. So there’s not a lot more time for me or something. What we’re trying to create is a structure for the future of LFC. The problem, I would say, is that this wonderful club changed philosophy three or four times in the last 10 or 15 years because different managers came in. That’s the English [way] of doing things obviously. The new manager is coming in. ‘What do I have to change?’ –‘Everything’. The former manager gets sacked because results were not good but a lot of things around this could have been good, actually. And we try to create a situation where everything around is perfect and if the manager changes in the future, then this club still has a good base. For this, you need the right people in the right position and Michael Edwards has been at the club for five years – did different jobs, knows everything about it, was involved in big decisions and will be involved in big decisions. But at the end, of course there is one thing where the manager needs the final say, ‘Do we take him or not?’ But the young players who are already in and we all like, were already his responsibility. And now we’re bringing all this together and really working on a structure for the future. That’s the plan. Having a sporting director now is only one step. We are working all day for the good of LFC. The most important thing each week is the game, but between the two games there are a lot of things to do. I don’t have more time now for different things, but decision ways are shorter for us because our owners give us the faith and the trust that we do the right things in the right moment. Everything is good and we work in this situation now.[/article]
If we relate these to the VdV and Keita cases, Klopp has done the big talks and the little talks ought to be covered by Edwards.
Anyway, has Klopp ever said bad things about anyone/any club publicly? Does that mean he really loves everyone (Sakho's case suggests not) and is satisfied with everything (mentioning "I have bosses, you know?" seems to suggest otherwise)? I will take his (over) optimism (just looked at his raving review of Edwards, whom he had barely worked with a yr and the transfer signings between Oct 15 to Nov 16) with a pinch of salt. Not that I'm complaining though, this way of dealing with stuffs is better than airing dirty linen in public for sure.
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/241974-we-re-creating-a-structure-for-the-future-of-lfc
[article]Transfers are going always the same way, actually. The start is maybe different; whoever brings the player [to the table] – if it’s me, my assistant, the scouting department, Michael or whoever, then we have a lot of things to watch and to talk about and all this stuff. In the end, I will always have the final say. Maybe that’s the most important thing for you to know. If something was wrong since I’ve been here or will be wrong in the future, with transfers, it’s my responsibility. But for all the work we have to do until the player is here, you need a lot of really good people around – and he is a really good person who has done a lot of different jobs in the club. So it’s absolutely natural and absolutely easy to make this decision. How I understand it, only because it’s England it’s a little bit ‘bigger’, because all over the world football clubs work like this – short ways, quick decisions, knowledge, everything you need to make the right decision in the right moment. From now on, that’s with sporting director Michael Edwards involved.[/article]
As I have questioned before, who's to say that Klopp refused suggested alternatives (eg. a Balotelli) because he doesn't want/believe in them? He'll obviously be open to good/interesting/worthy ones such as Solanke and Robertson but I think it's possible that his stance is "I'll rather take no one than have someone forced upon me"
No sealed signings = can't point the finger at me 😛 + why should I take the blame for signings you advocated (whom I don't agree with).
[article]We worked pretty close together before this. Ian Ayre, of course, is a very important person in all negotiations with agents and all that stuff. As a manager, I say ‘We have to go for this player’ and a lot of talks are to do with agents and all that stuff – why should I do this? You need a network and a lot of people, little talks and big talks. I’m involved in all of the big talks but not the small things. So there’s not a lot more time for me or something. What we’re trying to create is a structure for the future of LFC. The problem, I would say, is that this wonderful club changed philosophy three or four times in the last 10 or 15 years because different managers came in. That’s the English [way] of doing things obviously. The new manager is coming in. ‘What do I have to change?’ –‘Everything’. The former manager gets sacked because results were not good but a lot of things around this could have been good, actually. And we try to create a situation where everything around is perfect and if the manager changes in the future, then this club still has a good base. For this, you need the right people in the right position and Michael Edwards has been at the club for five years – did different jobs, knows everything about it, was involved in big decisions and will be involved in big decisions. But at the end, of course there is one thing where the manager needs the final say, ‘Do we take him or not?’ But the young players who are already in and we all like, were already his responsibility. And now we’re bringing all this together and really working on a structure for the future. That’s the plan. Having a sporting director now is only one step. We are working all day for the good of LFC. The most important thing each week is the game, but between the two games there are a lot of things to do. I don’t have more time now for different things, but decision ways are shorter for us because our owners give us the faith and the trust that we do the right things in the right moment. Everything is good and we work in this situation now.[/article]
If we relate these to the VdV and Keita cases, Klopp has done the big talks and the little talks ought to be covered by Edwards.
Anyway, has Klopp ever said bad things about anyone/any club publicly? Does that mean he really loves everyone (Sakho's case suggests not) and is satisfied with everything (mentioning "I have bosses, you know?" seems to suggest otherwise)? I will take his (over) optimism (just looked at his raving review of Edwards, whom he had barely worked with a yr and the transfer signings between Oct 15 to Nov 16) with a pinch of salt. Not that I'm complaining though, this way of dealing with stuffs is better than airing dirty linen in public for sure.
You're fucking mental if you believe what Klopp thinks doesn't matter. If Klopp isn't in on this whole ruse, he'll walk sooner rather than later. And we won't attract a better manager than him. It's crucial that FSG back him.
Why? If they are backing him, he has decided we didnt need a LB, CB, CDM and a CF and we are fucked.
If we arent backing him the board have decided we dont need a LB, CB, CDM and a CF and we are fucked.
Youre trying to make it a Klopp vs the Board thing, im saying its irrelevant.
We are being fucked regardless.
I dont see the point you are trying to make.
Heres mine. And ill make it dead easy to understand.
WHERE ARE THE PLAYERS WE NEED TO COMPETE TO 'WIN' TROPHIES!!!
Because they have NOT been signed.
We need richer owners (or owners willing to bankroll the club from their own pockets) to actually win trophies regularly.
But, yeah, it will have been a poor summer if it ends like this.
we're absolute twat heads. we never ever ever strengthen from a position of strength. it's a big fucking constant excuse factory this club.
I dont buy that at all.
We need owners who arent profiteers.
totes melotes.
it's really fucking clear that they don't give a solitary turd about us being boss.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/8/24/16195480/life-of-pro-scouts[article]
The Unheralded Work of Pro NFL Scouts
Maintaining a football roster isn’t just about evaluating top-flight players or even guys on the bench. It involves keeping tabs on practice-squad guys, scout team fill-ins, opponents’ benches, and even the Arena Football League. An anonymous army of pro scouts puts all the pieces together—here’s how they do it.
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Read this (lengthy) article and tell me if you think our scouting department resembles anything like this. Our lack of preparation and forethought is farcical.[/article]
The Unheralded Work of Pro NFL Scouts
Maintaining a football roster isn’t just about evaluating top-flight players or even guys on the bench. It involves keeping tabs on practice-squad guys, scout team fill-ins, opponents’ benches, and even the Arena Football League. An anonymous army of pro scouts puts all the pieces together—here’s how they do it.
/article][/article][article]
Read this (lengthy) article and tell me if you think our scouting department resembles anything like this. Our lack of preparation and forethought is farcical.[/article]
Dunno what they're up to. I ain't seen the figures.
He's a fairly respectful guy. I'm not sure how much these failures will continue wash over him though, I mean, he was arguably complicit in the whole VVD carry on, so maybe at the moment it's a case of six of one, half a dozen of the other, when it comes to failures this Summer between him and FSG.
I don't think Rafa was kicking off straight away about a lack of financial clout, and I don't think Klopp has much history in doing so either. He seems a fairly easy going type for the most part, who will have a go with what he's got and maybe then say "look, I need more".
As Oncy says though, whether he's in on it, separate to it or whatever. The difference in spending between us and those around us is fairly significant. It's as though FSG are probably pointing at where we got last season and are saying that to some degree, their "money ball/spend on Premiership proven" policy is working and that they should continue as such.
There are times when we need to just be ambitious from a position of strength (ie being in the CL, having a much sought after manager) and they don't seem capable of recognising that and adapting their policy, which will ultimately be our undoing, because it's exactly why we continue to lose big players. We don't show enough ambition and ruthlessness when we really need to and it results in the same old tired process of one season where we come really close and then several seasons of mediocrity. Whatever the ambition was this summer, it didn't happen and we've been here too many times now for it to be just the luck of the draw.
They say they want to build a team that can repeatedly challenge, you only do that by showing the ambition to realise it. I fully applaud the way we've built a "good" squad gradually, but it needs more now and I'm not sure they want to speculate to accumulate.
You can argue you're usual "it's not they're fault they're not billionaires" thing, we're bridging the gap in terms of marketing and advertising, we've increased capacity, TV and prize moneys are at an all time high. Where's it going and why the hell have we gone into a crucial transfer window without what appears to be a carefully thought out plan moving forward? Other people have said that it's great that for once we haven't spent for the sake of it, fair enough, but it won't be much use if we're out of two or three competitions by Christmas.
I get not spending for the sake of it or when there is no-one to sign but this summer we needed to kick on and good players were / are available. There is simply no excuse.
We all pretty much know where this is heading ultimately. It's just frustrating and depressing to think that it doesn't have to be this way.
We all pretty much know where this is heading ultimately. It's just frustrating and depressing to think that it doesn't have to be this way.
Im absolutely certain that we're going to make a signing or two before the window closes.
A dream scenario would be Goretzka, Van Dijk and Draxler.
If that happened it would probably make this the best window ever. But it won't.
We'll most likely just end up signing some arbitrary third option CB or a CM.
A dream scenario would be Goretzka, Van Dijk and Draxler.
If that happened it would probably make this the best window ever. But it won't.
We'll most likely just end up signing some arbitrary third option CB or a CM.
FSG came in and sold the dream
Red Sox a gazillion years since they win their cup and within a few seasons under their watch it happened.
The money ball thing
H&G thing
Bringing Kenny back
Omg they get the club, they know what anfield means to the supporters, the city etc that's why they choose to build a new stand v a new stadium etc.
Oh we are confident savvy now we even have sleeve sponsors from companies no one had heard of.. but they share our vision of being the world's best.
Ultimately though, we net spend exactly fuck all
If we manage to get to 2 in champs league and maybe even get 4 th again they'll be happy.
Coutinho had provided us with decent distraction from our own lack of signings.
The cracks from the end of last season hands not been covered very well and will no doubt become undone soon enough.. Unless the players we need are purchased in the next few days
Red Sox a gazillion years since they win their cup and within a few seasons under their watch it happened.
The money ball thing
H&G thing
Bringing Kenny back
Omg they get the club, they know what anfield means to the supporters, the city etc that's why they choose to build a new stand v a new stadium etc.
Oh we are confident savvy now we even have sleeve sponsors from companies no one had heard of.. but they share our vision of being the world's best.
Ultimately though, we net spend exactly fuck all
If we manage to get to 2 in champs league and maybe even get 4 th again they'll be happy.
Coutinho had provided us with decent distraction from our own lack of signings.
The cracks from the end of last season hands not been covered very well and will no doubt become undone soon enough.. Unless the players we need are purchased in the next few days
This suggests we are working to bring in (attacking) players?
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