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Where do you stand on this 'we're a great club' thing, oncy?
do you reckon we still are a great club, or is roy hodgson about our level?
Well we are still a big name club of course, but we are also in a state of flux. We havnt got any money, we have (it seems) dissafected playing staff, we have no european football and worst of all we have a squad and club set up that is concept built for the previous manager.
Could we do better than hodgson? Maybe, but noises from Pellegrino and Deschamps to name but two of the candidates suggested were that they werent interested in the job. You could i guess assume that in interview they were given little or no assurances about our financial position, ownership position and structure of the club. I would imagine the offer on the table is a one year rolling contract and that in itself will put off many of the potential candidates, you add that to our legion of other problems, i would suggest the situation is Hodgson may well be the best we can get.
Thats not to suggest out of nescessity beautiful things cant happen. But a club with no cash, no european football and possibly two or three less world class players then five or six teams above them really ought to know their limitations untill the status quo is ended.
For now, a good manager who knows his onions and is tactically sound and who can stabilise the club would be a step in the right direction. An untried euro manager would certainly not be.
Could we do better than hodgson? Maybe, but noises from Pellegrino and Deschamps to name but two of the candidates suggested were that they werent interested in the job. You could i guess assume that in interview they were given little or no assurances about our financial position, ownership position and structure of the club. I would imagine the offer on the table is a one year rolling contract and that in itself will put off many of the potential candidates, you add that to our legion of other problems, i would suggest the situation is Hodgson may well be the best we can get.
Thats not to suggest out of nescessity beautiful things cant happen. But a club with no cash, no european football and possibly two or three less world class players then five or six teams above them really ought to know their limitations untill the status quo is ended.
For now, a good manager who knows his onions and is tactically sound and who can stabilise the club would be a step in the right direction. An untried euro manager would certainly not be.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128052#msg1128052 date=1277769214]
Well we are still a big name club of course, but we are also in a state of flux. We havnt got any money, we have (it seems) dissafected playing staff, we have no european football and worst of all we have a squad and club set up that is concept built for the previous manager.
Could we do better than hodgson? Maybe, but noises from Pellegrino and Deschamps to name but two of the candidates suggested were that they werent interested in the job. You could i guess assume that in interview they were given little or no assurances about our financial position, ownership position and structure of the club. I would imagine the offer on the table is a one year rolling contract and that in itself will put off many of the potential candidates, you add that to our legion of other problems, i would suggest the situation is Hodgson may well be the best we can get.
Thats not to suggest out of nescessity beautiful things cant happen. But a club with no cash, no european football and possibly two or three less world class players then five or six teams above them really ought to know their limitations untill the status quo is ended.
For now, a good manager who knows his onions and is tactically sound and who can stabilise the club would be a step in the right direction. An untried euro manager would certainly not be.
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Let's hope you're right.
Well we are still a big name club of course, but we are also in a state of flux. We havnt got any money, we have (it seems) dissafected playing staff, we have no european football and worst of all we have a squad and club set up that is concept built for the previous manager.
Could we do better than hodgson? Maybe, but noises from Pellegrino and Deschamps to name but two of the candidates suggested were that they werent interested in the job. You could i guess assume that in interview they were given little or no assurances about our financial position, ownership position and structure of the club. I would imagine the offer on the table is a one year rolling contract and that in itself will put off many of the potential candidates, you add that to our legion of other problems, i would suggest the situation is Hodgson may well be the best we can get.
Thats not to suggest out of nescessity beautiful things cant happen. But a club with no cash, no european football and possibly two or three less world class players then five or six teams above them really ought to know their limitations untill the status quo is ended.
For now, a good manager who knows his onions and is tactically sound and who can stabilise the club would be a step in the right direction. An untried euro manager would certainly not be.
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Let's hope you're right.
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128056#msg1128056 date=1277770465]
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[/quote]If we lose (eg) Gerrard and Torres, we will NOT be favourites to beat Man U, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, Spurs and perhaps Villa.
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[/quote]If we lose (eg) Gerrard and Torres, we will NOT be favourites to beat Man U, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, Spurs and perhaps Villa.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128058#msg1128058 date=1277770597]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128056#msg1128056 date=1277770465]
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[/quote]If we lose (eg) Gerrard and Torres, we will NOT be favourites to beat Man U, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, Spurs and perhaps Villa.
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you think that because of how much the old manager relied on torres to do incredible things. we just need to play better football, then even an ordinary striker will be able to get goals. in fact its probably better we pay off the debt now while we still have these expensive players to sell.
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128056#msg1128056 date=1277770465]
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[/quote]If we lose (eg) Gerrard and Torres, we will NOT be favourites to beat Man U, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, Spurs and perhaps Villa.
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you think that because of how much the old manager relied on torres to do incredible things. we just need to play better football, then even an ordinary striker will be able to get goals. in fact its probably better we pay off the debt now while we still have these expensive players to sell.
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128059#msg1128059 date=1277771558]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128058#msg1128058 date=1277770597]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128056#msg1128056 date=1277770465]
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[/quote]If we lose (eg) Gerrard and Torres, we will NOT be favourites to beat Man U, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, Spurs and perhaps Villa.
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you think that because of how much the old manager relied on torres to do incredible things. we just need to play better football, then even an ordinary striker will be able to get goals. in fact its probably better we pay off the debt now while we still have these expensive players to sell.
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Rafa did more incredible things without Torres for Liverpool. Torres was best utilised by Rafa in the two seasons prior to this one, in a team that made him more effective than he's ever been before. As shit as this last season was, I cannot understand how no one thinks we didn't play some really good attacking football in the season before this.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128058#msg1128058 date=1277770597]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128056#msg1128056 date=1277770465]
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[/quote]If we lose (eg) Gerrard and Torres, we will NOT be favourites to beat Man U, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, Spurs and perhaps Villa.
[/quote]
you think that because of how much the old manager relied on torres to do incredible things. we just need to play better football, then even an ordinary striker will be able to get goals. in fact its probably better we pay off the debt now while we still have these expensive players to sell.
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Rafa did more incredible things without Torres for Liverpool. Torres was best utilised by Rafa in the two seasons prior to this one, in a team that made him more effective than he's ever been before. As shit as this last season was, I cannot understand how no one thinks we didn't play some really good attacking football in the season before this.
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128059#msg1128059 date=1277771558]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128058#msg1128058 date=1277770597]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128056#msg1128056 date=1277770465]
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[/quote]If we lose (eg) Gerrard and Torres, we will NOT be favourites to beat Man U, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, Spurs and perhaps Villa.
[/quote]
you think that because of how much the old manager relied on torres to do incredible things. we just need to play better football, then even an ordinary striker will be able to get goals. in fact its probably better we pay off the debt now while we still have these expensive players to sell.
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Wow!!!Managing LFC is so easy. Win 30 out of 38 and play well in the other 8 games and hope we get lucky. Ever heard of phenomena's known as injuries, fatigue, players being out of form, other teams playing out of their skin and occasionally winning games due to good team spirit or getting lucky.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128058#msg1128058 date=1277770597]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40759.msg1128056#msg1128056 date=1277770465]
whatever you think over a 38 game season, 30 of those games we are favourites to take the points. it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account, or who is sat in the boardroom, all of that is just looking for reasons to make failure acceptable.
the next manager will have a team able to win 30 games. and of the other 8 games he can always get lucky a few times and draw the home games or what not. accepting 5th or 6th or even 4th as our level is ridiculous. if we have another bad season it is not down to money or transfers or instability. it will be down to a useless fucking manager than can't get his team to play football. thats all there is to it
[/quote]If we lose (eg) Gerrard and Torres, we will NOT be favourites to beat Man U, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, Spurs and perhaps Villa.
[/quote]
you think that because of how much the old manager relied on torres to do incredible things. we just need to play better football, then even an ordinary striker will be able to get goals. in fact its probably better we pay off the debt now while we still have these expensive players to sell.
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Wow!!!Managing LFC is so easy. Win 30 out of 38 and play well in the other 8 games and hope we get lucky. Ever heard of phenomena's known as injuries, fatigue, players being out of form, other teams playing out of their skin and occasionally winning games due to good team spirit or getting lucky.
Roy Hodgson is a good coach/manager. We will finish better than 7th if he takes over.
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=40759.msg1128022#msg1128022 date=1277765527]
Assuming Kenny's not going to happen KopKing, who do you want?
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I tell you who I don't want: Roy fucking Hodgson and I know you don't too, deep down. I want a manager that signals an intent that we want to be the best. When I See Roy Hodgson in the frame, I see nothing but mediocrity. That's all his career has achieved. Why all of a sudden at age 62 will be a top European coach?
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But we are mediocre! What do we have? History?
We have nothing to show for 20 years that we merit of a top club other than one night in istanbul. One. Night. What do Barca, or Real have to show for themselves? Fuckloads, and thats why they are better and bigger clubs than us. There is no reason to suggest we should sign a better manager, because Roy is just about our level.
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It's not our level. We still are one of the top teams in Europe, at one point number 1! We beat both of those teams you mentioned home and away in the Champions League *recently*. I refuse to accept that and you should too.
Of course realistically we are skint. But that does not mean we are not a big club with even bigger aspirations. If we think like that, H&G win in downgrading our club and the longer we refuse to accept *their* vision, they will have no option but to leave sooner rather than later.
We are Liverpool. Skint or not we are still a great club and never forget that.
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Your argument is centred solely on your support of Benitez. Madrid and Barca, regardless of what we did to them in the CL, have had much more successful recent times than we have, to suggest otherwise is your own ideal that Rafa winning the CL has given him a benchmark for Hodgson to match in this upcoming season.
Rafa finished 7th in the league last season, Hodgson has to better that, that's the minimum requirement. I'd imagine should Roy fail in Europe you'll be the first to remind us how much better Rafa was in this competition, and a higher league place will then count for nothing, because Rafa won the CL in his first season, etc.
The fact of the matter is, circumstance is now alot different to when Rafa took over. For one, it's doubtful Hodgson will spend anywhere near what Rafa did (and therefore he won't squander as much either), when Rafa took over he had the top three to compete with, with a huge gulf beyond that. We now have Everton, Villa and Spurs as a threat to at least 4th place. We have ownership issues that are far more serious than those when Rafa took over, which has now effected the loyalty of certain playing staff, like Yossi and Mascher, and with question marks over Torres and Gerrard. No doubt if there's a mini exodus this will be Hodgson's fault too, and the failings and lack of success over the last two or three seasons will count for nothing, despite being hugely contributory (Torres and Gerrard not wanting to waste anymore time waiting for silverware).
So ultimately, Hodgson is onto a hiding for nothing, in your eyes, because he's cornered whatever he does.
Players leave > his fault.
A better finish than last years league position > Unless it's a better finish than Rafa's highest, no doubt it won't be good enough either and comparisons will continue until he does match second place, even then I'm sure you'll be eager to point out if the points total isn't as high.
Failure in Europe > Ditto.
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40759.msg1128027#msg1128027 date=1277766453]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=40759.msg1128022#msg1128022 date=1277765527]
Assuming Kenny's not going to happen KopKing, who do you want?
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I tell you who I don't want: Roy fucking Hodgson and I know you don't too, deep down. I want a manager that signals an intent that we want to be the best. When I See Roy Hodgson in the frame, I see nothing but mediocrity. That's all his career has achieved. Why all of a sudden at age 62 will be a top European coach?
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But we are mediocre! What do we have? History?
We have nothing to show for 20 years that we merit of a top club other than one night in istanbul. One. Night. What do Barca, or Real have to show for themselves? Fuckloads, and thats why they are better and bigger clubs than us. There is no reason to suggest we should sign a better manager, because Roy is just about our level.
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It's not our level. We still are one of the top teams in Europe, at one point number 1! We beat both of those teams you mentioned home and away in the Champions League *recently*. I refuse to accept that and you should too.
Of course realistically we are skint. But that does not mean we are not a big club with even bigger aspirations. If we think like that, H&G win in downgrading our club and the longer we refuse to accept *their* vision, they will have no option but to leave sooner rather than later.
We are Liverpool. Skint or not we are still a great club and never forget that.
[/quote]
Your argument is centred solely on your support of Benitez. Madrid and Barca, regardless of what we did to them in the CL, have had much more successful recent times than we have, to suggest otherwise is your own ideal that Rafa winning the CL has given him a benchmark for Hodgson to match in this upcoming season.
Rafa finished 7th in the league last season, Hodgson has to better that, that's the minimum requirement. I'd imagine should Roy fail in Europe you'll be the first to remind us how much better Rafa was in this competition, and a higher league place will then count for nothing, because Rafa won the CL in his first season, etc.
The fact of the matter is, circumstance is now alot different to when Rafa took over. For one, it's doubtful Hodgson will spend anywhere near what Rafa did (and therefore he won't squander as much either), when Rafa took over he had the top three to compete with, with a huge gulf beyond that. We now have Everton, Villa and Spurs as a threat to at least 4th place. We have ownership issues that are far more serious than those when Rafa took over, which has now effected the loyalty of certain playing staff, like Yossi and Mascher, and with question marks over Torres and Gerrard. No doubt if there's a mini exodus this will be Hodgson's fault too, and the failings and lack of success over the last two or three seasons will count for nothing, despite being hugely contributory (Torres and Gerrard not wanting to waste anymore time waiting for silverware).
So ultimately, Hodgson is onto a hiding for nothing, in your eyes, because he's cornered whatever he does.
Players leave > his fault.
A better finish than last years league position > Unless it's a better finish than Rafa's highest, no doubt it won't be good enough either and comparisons will continue until he does match second place, even then I'm sure you'll be eager to point out if the points total isn't as high.
Failure in Europe > Ditto.
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=40759.msg1128063#msg1128063 date=1277777384]
Kopking does a marvellous impersonation of a complete and utter tosspot. Hats off to him.
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True, but he's right about Woy.
A sexagenarian non-entity who has won fuck all ever and finished 12th in the Premiership behind Tony Pulis's Stoke.
Him managing Liverpool is a foetid joke.
Kopking does a marvellous impersonation of a complete and utter tosspot. Hats off to him.
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True, but he's right about Woy.
A sexagenarian non-entity who has won fuck all ever and finished 12th in the Premiership behind Tony Pulis's Stoke.
Him managing Liverpool is a foetid joke.
Is the Roy Hodgson confirmed?
If not can people stop posting as if it is confirmed?
No disrespect to your sources, and i'm sure they are legit, but till its in the news can you avoid speaking as if it has been done and dusted? What is the harm in adding an "IF" to most of these statements?
I'm sure people have gone through a couple of threads in the forum wondering if the appointment has already been confirmed. It is fucking annoying.
If not can people stop posting as if it is confirmed?
No disrespect to your sources, and i'm sure they are legit, but till its in the news can you avoid speaking as if it has been done and dusted? What is the harm in adding an "IF" to most of these statements?
I'm sure people have gone through a couple of threads in the forum wondering if the appointment has already been confirmed. It is fucking annoying.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=40759.msg1128132#msg1128132 date=1277801319]
Is the Roy Hodgson confirmed?
If not can people stop posting as if it is confirmed?
No disrespect to your sources, and i'm sure they are legit, but till its in the news can you avoid speaking as if it has been done and dusted? What is the harm in adding an "IF" to most of these statements?
I'm sure people have gone through a couple of threads in the forum wondering if the appointment has already been confirmed. It is fucking annoying.
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I don't find it annoying, and I'm pretty much the litmus test for that kind of thing.
Is the Roy Hodgson confirmed?
If not can people stop posting as if it is confirmed?
No disrespect to your sources, and i'm sure they are legit, but till its in the news can you avoid speaking as if it has been done and dusted? What is the harm in adding an "IF" to most of these statements?
I'm sure people have gone through a couple of threads in the forum wondering if the appointment has already been confirmed. It is fucking annoying.
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I don't find it annoying, and I'm pretty much the litmus test for that kind of thing.
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=40759.msg1128022#msg1128022 date=1277765527]
Assuming Kenny's not going to happen KopKing, who do you want?
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I tell you who I don't want: Roy fucking Hodgson and I know you don't too, deep down. I want a manager that signals an intent that we want to be the best. When I See Roy Hodgson in the frame, I see nothing but mediocrity. That's all his career has achieved. Why all of a sudden at age 62 will be a top European coach?
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But we are mediocre! What do we have? History?
We have nothing to show for 20 years that we merit of a top club other than one night in istanbul. One. Night. What do Barca, or Real have to show for themselves? Fuckloads, and thats why they are better and bigger clubs than us. There is no reason to suggest we should sign a better manager, because Roy is just about our level.
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It's not our level. We still are one of the top teams in Europe, at one point number 1! We beat both of those teams you mentioned home and away in the Champions League *recently*. I refuse to accept that and you should too.
Of course realistically we are skint. But that does not mean we are not a big club with even bigger aspirations. If we think like that, H&G win in downgrading our club and the longer we refuse to accept *their* vision, they will have no option but to leave sooner rather than later.
We are Liverpool. Skint or not we are still a great club and never forget that.
[/quote]
Your argument is centred solely on your support of Benitez. Madrid and Barca, regardless of what we did to them in the CL, have had much more successful recent times than we have, to suggest otherwise is your own ideal that Rafa winning the CL has given him a benchmark for Hodgson to match in this upcoming season.
Rafa finished 7th in the league last season, Hodgson has to better that, that's the minimum requirement. I'd imagine should Roy fail in Europe you'll be the first to remind us how much better Rafa was in this competition, and a higher league place will then count for nothing, because Rafa won the CL in his first season, etc.
The fact of the matter is, circumstance is now alot different to when Rafa took over. For one, it's doubtful Hodgson will spend anywhere near what Rafa did (and therefore he won't squander as much either), when Rafa took over he had the top three to compete with, with a huge gulf beyond that. We now have Everton, Villa and Spurs as a threat to at least 4th place. We have ownership issues that are far more serious than those when Rafa took over, which has now effected the loyalty of certain playing staff, like Yossi and Mascher, and with question marks over Torres and Gerrard. No doubt if there's a mini exodus this will be Hodgson's fault too, and the failings and lack of success over the last two or three seasons will count for nothing, despite being hugely contributory (Torres and Gerrard not wanting to waste anymore time waiting for silverware).
So ultimately, Hodgson is onto a hiding for nothing, in your eyes, because he's cornered whatever he does.
Players leave > his fault.
A better finish than last years league position > Unless it's a better finish than Rafa's highest, no doubt it won't be good enough either and comparisons will continue until he does match second place, even then I'm sure you'll be eager to point out if the points total isn't as high.
Failure in Europe > Ditto.
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Decent post
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=40759.msg1128022#msg1128022 date=1277765527]
Assuming Kenny's not going to happen KopKing, who do you want?
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I tell you who I don't want: Roy fucking Hodgson and I know you don't too, deep down. I want a manager that signals an intent that we want to be the best. When I See Roy Hodgson in the frame, I see nothing but mediocrity. That's all his career has achieved. Why all of a sudden at age 62 will be a top European coach?
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But we are mediocre! What do we have? History?
We have nothing to show for 20 years that we merit of a top club other than one night in istanbul. One. Night. What do Barca, or Real have to show for themselves? Fuckloads, and thats why they are better and bigger clubs than us. There is no reason to suggest we should sign a better manager, because Roy is just about our level.
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It's not our level. We still are one of the top teams in Europe, at one point number 1! We beat both of those teams you mentioned home and away in the Champions League *recently*. I refuse to accept that and you should too.
Of course realistically we are skint. But that does not mean we are not a big club with even bigger aspirations. If we think like that, H&G win in downgrading our club and the longer we refuse to accept *their* vision, they will have no option but to leave sooner rather than later.
We are Liverpool. Skint or not we are still a great club and never forget that.
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Your argument is centred solely on your support of Benitez. Madrid and Barca, regardless of what we did to them in the CL, have had much more successful recent times than we have, to suggest otherwise is your own ideal that Rafa winning the CL has given him a benchmark for Hodgson to match in this upcoming season.
Rafa finished 7th in the league last season, Hodgson has to better that, that's the minimum requirement. I'd imagine should Roy fail in Europe you'll be the first to remind us how much better Rafa was in this competition, and a higher league place will then count for nothing, because Rafa won the CL in his first season, etc.
The fact of the matter is, circumstance is now alot different to when Rafa took over. For one, it's doubtful Hodgson will spend anywhere near what Rafa did (and therefore he won't squander as much either), when Rafa took over he had the top three to compete with, with a huge gulf beyond that. We now have Everton, Villa and Spurs as a threat to at least 4th place. We have ownership issues that are far more serious than those when Rafa took over, which has now effected the loyalty of certain playing staff, like Yossi and Mascher, and with question marks over Torres and Gerrard. No doubt if there's a mini exodus this will be Hodgson's fault too, and the failings and lack of success over the last two or three seasons will count for nothing, despite being hugely contributory (Torres and Gerrard not wanting to waste anymore time waiting for silverware).
So ultimately, Hodgson is onto a hiding for nothing, in your eyes, because he's cornered whatever he does.
Players leave > his fault.
A better finish than last years league position > Unless it's a better finish than Rafa's highest, no doubt it won't be good enough either and comparisons will continue until he does match second place, even then I'm sure you'll be eager to point out if the points total isn't as high.
Failure in Europe > Ditto.
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Decent post
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128133#msg1128133 date=1277801361]
Mark good post, but I don't know why you are trying to reason with him. In one thread he thinks we should be in administration and then in another Hodgson isn't good enough for a club of our size. Logic > Window!
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Thanks mate, I don't know why I bothered replying to him but he winds me up...
Also re the challenge for 4th, I forgot to mention the minor matter of Man City..
Mark good post, but I don't know why you are trying to reason with him. In one thread he thinks we should be in administration and then in another Hodgson isn't good enough for a club of our size. Logic > Window!
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Thanks mate, I don't know why I bothered replying to him but he winds me up...
Also re the challenge for 4th, I forgot to mention the minor matter of Man City..
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40759.msg1128143#msg1128143 date=1277801863]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128133#msg1128133 date=1277801361]
Mark good post, but I don't know why you are trying to reason with him. In one thread he thinks we should be in administration and then in another Hodgson isn't good enough for a club of our size. Logic > Window!
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Thanks mate, I don't know why I bothered replying to him but he winds me up...
Also re the challenge for 4th, I forgot to mention the minor matter of Man City..
[/quote]I know you did but I didn't wanna say.
I reckon almost every premiership team will outspend us this year
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128133#msg1128133 date=1277801361]
Mark good post, but I don't know why you are trying to reason with him. In one thread he thinks we should be in administration and then in another Hodgson isn't good enough for a club of our size. Logic > Window!
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Thanks mate, I don't know why I bothered replying to him but he winds me up...
Also re the challenge for 4th, I forgot to mention the minor matter of Man City..
[/quote]I know you did but I didn't wanna say.
I reckon almost every premiership team will outspend us this year
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128145#msg1128145 date=1277802061]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40759.msg1128143#msg1128143 date=1277801863]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128133#msg1128133 date=1277801361]
Mark good post, but I don't know why you are trying to reason with him. In one thread he thinks we should be in administration and then in another Hodgson isn't good enough for a club of our size. Logic > Window!
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Thanks mate, I don't know why I bothered replying to him but he winds me up...
Also re the challenge for 4th, I forgot to mention the minor matter of Man City..
[/quote]I know you did but I didn't wanna say.
I reckon almost every premiership team will outspend us this year
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You're probably right. We dont even figure on the BBC gossip these days ffs.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40759.msg1128143#msg1128143 date=1277801863]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1128133#msg1128133 date=1277801361]
Mark good post, but I don't know why you are trying to reason with him. In one thread he thinks we should be in administration and then in another Hodgson isn't good enough for a club of our size. Logic > Window!
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Thanks mate, I don't know why I bothered replying to him but he winds me up...
Also re the challenge for 4th, I forgot to mention the minor matter of Man City..
[/quote]I know you did but I didn't wanna say.
I reckon almost every premiership team will outspend us this year
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You're probably right. We dont even figure on the BBC gossip these days ffs.
Deschamps has extended his contract with Marseille so its looking more and more likely that Roy is the man
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=40759.msg1128231#msg1128231 date=1277815162]
Deschamps has extended his contract with Marseille so its looking more and more likely that Roy is the man
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Wow, really?
Deschamps has extended his contract with Marseille so its looking more and more likely that Roy is the man
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Wow, really?
Hodgson perfect for Liverpool
Phil McNulty | 13:27 UK time, Tuesday, 29 June 2010
As Roy Hodgson attempted to give his nomadic career new direction with a spell in the United Arab Emirates earlier this decade, the notion of Liverpool and England fighting for his services seemed a distant prospect.
And yet, while Liverpool close in on Hodgson as Rafael Benitez's successor and the Football Association debates Fabio Capello's future as England coach, the 62-year-old Londoner has emerged as the prime candidate for two of the biggest posts in football.
Hodgson, barring a late FA intervention, is expected to be confirmed as Liverpool boss in the next 48 hours, mainly as a result of his outstanding work at Fulham, where a rescue from relegation months after his appointment in December 2007 was followed by a dream run to last season's Europa League final.
Fulham's defeat by Atletico Madrid looks to have been his farewell to the banks of the Thames as he now prepares to move to Merseyside.
And while Hodgson's arrival may get a muted response in some quarters, Liverpool's current reality makes him the perfect appointment.
There may be disquiet among some Liverpool fans that the romantic option of Kenny Dalglish's return has not been explored, particularly after one of Anfield's iconic figures made it clear he wanted to resume the job he left in 1991.
Roy Hodgson has been working for the BBC during the World Cup in South Africa. Photo: Reuters
Hodgson and Dalglish have been friends from the days when Liverpool used to warm up for title-winning campaigns by playing Hodgson's Malmo side in Sweden, so the suggestion the Scot will sulk in the background as some malign influence after missing out is unlikely.
It has been a long road from Carshalton Athletic to Anfield for Hodgson, taking in Sweden, Switzerland, Italy, Denmark, Norway, Finland and the UAE - plus a spell at Blackburn Rovers - before reviving Fulham.
He may not be the stellar name many on the Kop will have wanted when Benitez ended his six-year reign earlier in June, but Liverpool's reduced circumstances call for the sort of common sense management Hodgson can apply.
The Reds can offer any manager a rich history but what they cannot put on the table is Champions League football or vast riches to rebuild a troubled team. The idea someone of Jose Mourinho's status may have been tempted to Liverpool originated in dreamland, even before the former Chelsea manager won the Champions League at Inter Milan and moved to Real Madrid.
Boring as it might sound to some, Liverpool need a pair of safe hands that will restore dignity and credibility to Anfield after times of turbulence on and off the field.
Hodgson is a deep thinker about football and other things besides, as an avid reader of Milan Kundera, John Updike and Philip Roth. Liverpool will hope he can apply the intelligence gleaned throughout a long career to rebuild one of the fallen giants of the game.
A close study of his work at Craven Cottage confirms he fulfils all requirements at Liverpool. Listen to Anfield old boy Danny Murphy, speaking in Hamburg on the night before the Europa League final.
"The manager doesn't sprinkle magic dust on us," said Murphy. "The manager and his staff work damn hard to make sure the lads know their jobs. He does his research on players and the mentality of players who come into the club. He is a manager who organises his team well."
There are other facets of Hodgson's character that will have appealed to Liverpool's power brokers as they drew up their shortlist.
If he had any difficulties behind the scenes with Fulham's flamboyant chairman Mohamed Al Fayed, he never chose to air them in public. In contrast, Benitez's tiresome politicking added to Anfield's instability at a time when there was more than enough to go around.
Hodgson will arrive at a delicate period for Liverpool, with the search for new owners ongoing and yet to bear fruit, leaving the dysfunctional tenure of Tom Hicks and George Gillett still in place.
As someone with vast experience, Hodgson will know the obstacles that may await him at Anfield but his measured approach will suit the situation.
And, crucially in Liverpool's financial state, Hodgson has shown a sure touch when working the markets without the aid of a plentiful budget and without complaint.
He mastered the art of renewing careers at Fulham, with Murphy, Damien Duff, Zoltan Gera and Bobby Zamora prime examples. Hodgson's eye for a bargain enabled him to sign Brede Hangeland relatively cheaply and turn him into one of the most coveted defenders in the Premier League.
Hodgson consoles his players after Fulham's defeat in the Europa League final. Photo: Getty
He has earned huge respect - and not only from those inside football. When Fulham beat Hamburg to reach the Europa League final, his arrival at his after-match press conference was greeted with the rare accolade of spontaneous applause from assembled journalists, such was the scale of his achievement.
And Liverpool will embrace Hodgson's ability to do his job without fuss and fanfare, just like old times at Anfield.
One of my abiding memories of last season was watching Hodgson stroll across Craven Cottage with his hand in his pocket as the old place went crazy after the victory over Hamburg. He navigated his way through the throng of players, celebrating or otherwise, lying on the turf, stopping only to console Hamburg's stars on his way off.
He will work with a small backroom staff, which Liverpool's hierarchy will find a refreshing change from the entire community that appeared to have been assembled by Benitez in his latter days at Anfield.
When Hodgson is appointed, he will need to work quickly to make changes to his squad. Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard are seen as easy targets, with Liverpool lacking in financial resources and the appeal of the Champions League.
Persuading them to stay will be top of his list of priorities - or, if not, ensuring the best deal is done to allow him to fashion a new-look team to prepare for life without them.
Liverpool's hierarchy have been lampooned with relish amid their recent traumas but they have restored a measure of their tattered reputation with the swiftness of Benitez's departure and the good sense shown by installing Hodgson.
It ranks alongside Inter Milan as the biggest job in Hodgson's career - but his work at Fulham alone suggests he is up to the task.
Phil McNulty | 13:27 UK time, Tuesday, 29 June 2010
As Roy Hodgson attempted to give his nomadic career new direction with a spell in the United Arab Emirates earlier this decade, the notion of Liverpool and England fighting for his services seemed a distant prospect.
And yet, while Liverpool close in on Hodgson as Rafael Benitez's successor and the Football Association debates Fabio Capello's future as England coach, the 62-year-old Londoner has emerged as the prime candidate for two of the biggest posts in football.
Hodgson, barring a late FA intervention, is expected to be confirmed as Liverpool boss in the next 48 hours, mainly as a result of his outstanding work at Fulham, where a rescue from relegation months after his appointment in December 2007 was followed by a dream run to last season's Europa League final.
Fulham's defeat by Atletico Madrid looks to have been his farewell to the banks of the Thames as he now prepares to move to Merseyside.
And while Hodgson's arrival may get a muted response in some quarters, Liverpool's current reality makes him the perfect appointment.
There may be disquiet among some Liverpool fans that the romantic option of Kenny Dalglish's return has not been explored, particularly after one of Anfield's iconic figures made it clear he wanted to resume the job he left in 1991.
Roy Hodgson has been working for the BBC during the World Cup in South Africa. Photo: Reuters
Hodgson and Dalglish have been friends from the days when Liverpool used to warm up for title-winning campaigns by playing Hodgson's Malmo side in Sweden, so the suggestion the Scot will sulk in the background as some malign influence after missing out is unlikely.
It has been a long road from Carshalton Athletic to Anfield for Hodgson, taking in Sweden, Switzerland, Italy, Denmark, Norway, Finland and the UAE - plus a spell at Blackburn Rovers - before reviving Fulham.
He may not be the stellar name many on the Kop will have wanted when Benitez ended his six-year reign earlier in June, but Liverpool's reduced circumstances call for the sort of common sense management Hodgson can apply.
The Reds can offer any manager a rich history but what they cannot put on the table is Champions League football or vast riches to rebuild a troubled team. The idea someone of Jose Mourinho's status may have been tempted to Liverpool originated in dreamland, even before the former Chelsea manager won the Champions League at Inter Milan and moved to Real Madrid.
Boring as it might sound to some, Liverpool need a pair of safe hands that will restore dignity and credibility to Anfield after times of turbulence on and off the field.
Hodgson is a deep thinker about football and other things besides, as an avid reader of Milan Kundera, John Updike and Philip Roth. Liverpool will hope he can apply the intelligence gleaned throughout a long career to rebuild one of the fallen giants of the game.
A close study of his work at Craven Cottage confirms he fulfils all requirements at Liverpool. Listen to Anfield old boy Danny Murphy, speaking in Hamburg on the night before the Europa League final.
"The manager doesn't sprinkle magic dust on us," said Murphy. "The manager and his staff work damn hard to make sure the lads know their jobs. He does his research on players and the mentality of players who come into the club. He is a manager who organises his team well."
There are other facets of Hodgson's character that will have appealed to Liverpool's power brokers as they drew up their shortlist.
If he had any difficulties behind the scenes with Fulham's flamboyant chairman Mohamed Al Fayed, he never chose to air them in public. In contrast, Benitez's tiresome politicking added to Anfield's instability at a time when there was more than enough to go around.
Hodgson will arrive at a delicate period for Liverpool, with the search for new owners ongoing and yet to bear fruit, leaving the dysfunctional tenure of Tom Hicks and George Gillett still in place.
As someone with vast experience, Hodgson will know the obstacles that may await him at Anfield but his measured approach will suit the situation.
And, crucially in Liverpool's financial state, Hodgson has shown a sure touch when working the markets without the aid of a plentiful budget and without complaint.
He mastered the art of renewing careers at Fulham, with Murphy, Damien Duff, Zoltan Gera and Bobby Zamora prime examples. Hodgson's eye for a bargain enabled him to sign Brede Hangeland relatively cheaply and turn him into one of the most coveted defenders in the Premier League.
Hodgson consoles his players after Fulham's defeat in the Europa League final. Photo: Getty
He has earned huge respect - and not only from those inside football. When Fulham beat Hamburg to reach the Europa League final, his arrival at his after-match press conference was greeted with the rare accolade of spontaneous applause from assembled journalists, such was the scale of his achievement.
And Liverpool will embrace Hodgson's ability to do his job without fuss and fanfare, just like old times at Anfield.
One of my abiding memories of last season was watching Hodgson stroll across Craven Cottage with his hand in his pocket as the old place went crazy after the victory over Hamburg. He navigated his way through the throng of players, celebrating or otherwise, lying on the turf, stopping only to console Hamburg's stars on his way off.
He will work with a small backroom staff, which Liverpool's hierarchy will find a refreshing change from the entire community that appeared to have been assembled by Benitez in his latter days at Anfield.
When Hodgson is appointed, he will need to work quickly to make changes to his squad. Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard are seen as easy targets, with Liverpool lacking in financial resources and the appeal of the Champions League.
Persuading them to stay will be top of his list of priorities - or, if not, ensuring the best deal is done to allow him to fashion a new-look team to prepare for life without them.
Liverpool's hierarchy have been lampooned with relish amid their recent traumas but they have restored a measure of their tattered reputation with the swiftness of Benitez's departure and the good sense shown by installing Hodgson.
It ranks alongside Inter Milan as the biggest job in Hodgson's career - but his work at Fulham alone suggests he is up to the task.
Fulham came 12th.
Below Stoke.
Fuck off.
This will "restore the tattered reputation" of "Liverpool's hierarchy" sez who? A bluenose mate of mine told me just today that as many of them have been hoping for this as were hoping Rafa would stay on.
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