The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[LeTallecWiz]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453038#msg1453038 date=1325358285]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48021.msg1453028#msg1453028 date=1325357863]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453024#msg1453024 date=1325357636]
Honestly will you all go and read the fucking thing. It's easy to read, easy to understand and explains every question you're asking.
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It has been read. It is understandable because it's based on interpretation of uncorroborated 'evidence'. The FA has exercised it's right to be judge and jury but there is enough doubt about the means used to make this a matter for burning injustice for along time to come.
[/quote]

"burning injustice"

Get a fucking grip of yourself.

Video evidence is corroborating the statements, as well as the various statements corroborating each other. But lets just ignore everything and bang on about how hard done by Suarez is.
[/quote]

Video evidence of him saying negro 10 times? Why won't you answer WHO heard this bar Evra? I don't want to read it, I trust you to be honest.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=48021.msg1453042#msg1453042 date=1325358385]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1453037#msg1453037 date=1325358223]
You missed this boat Ryan ... The first to turn on Torres, you're way back in this line of the anti-Suarez group ... It's growing too!
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I've never liked him. Great footballer all thatnshit, but he's not likable is he?

Don't worry but the bandwagon jumping though, I was the first to ridicule Carroll.
[/quote]

He comes off as a good guy on his FB page ... Down to earth, humble kid ...

You LIKE carroll though, just not the system we've employed for him.

 

[King Binny]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Dahuge link=topic=48021.msg1453021#msg1453021 date=1325357354]
Hasn't Evra's changed it to he only said it 5 times?
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382. In all the circumstances, we preferred the evidence of Mr Evra. His account was clear and consistent in all material respects. There is no basis for saying that he lied or was mistaken in what he heard. We found that Mr Evra's account is probably what happened. The conversation was all in Spanish. The words which follow (below) were either Mr Evra's exact words or close approximations to them. Mr Evra said to Mr Suarez "Concha de tu hermana, porque me diste un golpe?", meaning "fucking hell, why did you kick me?". Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro", meaning "Because you're black". Mr Evra then said "Habla otra vez asi, te voy a dar una porrada", which means "Say it to me again, I'm going to kick you". Mr Suarez responded "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to
blacks". Mr Evra then said "Ahora te voy a dar realmente una porrada", meaning "Okay, now I think I'm going to punch you". Mr Suarez responded "Dale, negro, negro, negro", meaning "Okay, blackie, blackie, blackie." This meant that Mr Suarez used the word "negro" five times in the goalmouth. This was the number that Sir Alex Ferguson reported to the referee after the game, and which Sir Alex probably learned from Mr Evra.The "five times" reported to the referee straight after the game corroborates Mr Evra's evidence that the word was used five times in the goalmouth.

 

[Rosco]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1453044#msg1453044 date=1325358420]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453038#msg1453038 date=1325358285]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48021.msg1453028#msg1453028 date=1325357863]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453024#msg1453024 date=1325357636]
Honestly will you all go and read the fucking thing. It's easy to read, easy to understand and explains every question you're asking.
[/quote]

It has been read. It is understandable because it's based on interpretation of uncorroborated 'evidence'. The FA has exercised it's right to be judge and jury but there is enough doubt about the means used to make this a matter for burning injustice for along time to come.
[/quote]

"burning injustice"

Get a fucking grip of yourself.

Video evidence is corroborating the statements, as well as the various statements corroborating each other. But lets just ignore everything and bang on about how hard done by Suarez is.
[/quote]

Video evidence of him saying negro 10 times? Why won't you answer WHO heard this bar Evra? I don't want to read it, I trust you to be honest.
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He only has to be seen once to be guilty, the Independent panel found it 7 times using witness statements together with video evidence from what I can gather.

 

[Asbo]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453048#msg1453048 date=1325358636]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1453044#msg1453044 date=1325358420]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453038#msg1453038 date=1325358285]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48021.msg1453028#msg1453028 date=1325357863]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453024#msg1453024 date=1325357636]
Honestly will you all go and read the fucking thing. It's easy to read, easy to understand and explains every question you're asking.
[/quote]

It has been read. It is understandable because it's based on interpretation of uncorroborated 'evidence'. The FA has exercised it's right to be judge and jury but there is enough doubt about the means used to make this a matter for burning injustice for along time to come.
[/quote]

"burning injustice"

Get a fucking grip of yourself.

Video evidence is corroborating the statements, as well as the various statements corroborating each other. But lets just ignore everything and bang on about how hard done by Suarez is.
[/quote]

Video evidence of him saying negro 10 times? Why won't you answer WHO heard this bar Evra? I don't want to read it, I trust you to be honest.
[/quote]

He only has to be seen once to be guilty, the Independent panel found it 7 times using witness statements together with video evidence from what I can gather.
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You gathered wrong, its all on Evra's word .... also the once ( Suarez addmitted to) can be used to describe someone with black hair too, (also according to Suarez) similar to calling a ginger 'Red' here after all the Spanish for Black is Negro, or don't you know that?

Black Paint is Pintura Negro as an example

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453048#msg1453048 date=1325358636]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1453044#msg1453044 date=1325358420]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453038#msg1453038 date=1325358285]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48021.msg1453028#msg1453028 date=1325357863]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453024#msg1453024 date=1325357636]
Honestly will you all go and read the fucking thing. It's easy to read, easy to understand and explains every question you're asking.
[/quote]

It has been read. It is understandable because it's based on interpretation of uncorroborated 'evidence'. The FA has exercised it's right to be judge and jury but there is enough doubt about the means used to make this a matter for burning injustice for along time to come.
[/quote]

"burning injustice"

Get a fucking grip of yourself.

Video evidence is corroborating the statements, as well as the various statements corroborating each other. But lets just ignore everything and bang on about how hard done by Suarez is.
[/quote]

Video evidence of him saying negro 10 times? Why won't you answer WHO heard this bar Evra? I don't want to read it, I trust you to be honest.
[/quote]

He only has to be seen once to be guilty, the Independent panel found it 7 times using witness statements together with video evidence from what I can gather.
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Again, 'once to be guilty' isn't to be argued. I was fairly positive he said it (at least once) and hence always supported a ban (just not 8 games).

What witness statements? I'm really curious as no Manc player said they heard it, or for that matter, our players. And Sky found no video evidence showing it either.

 

[jexykrodic]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453038#msg1453038 date=1325358285]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48021.msg1453028#msg1453028 date=1325357863]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453024#msg1453024 date=1325357636]
Honestly will you all go and read the fucking thing. It's easy to read, easy to understand and explains every question you're asking.
[/quote]

It has been read. It is understandable because it's based on interpretation of uncorroborated 'evidence'. The FA has exercised it's right to be judge and jury but there is enough doubt about the means used to make this a matter for burning injustice for along time to come.
[/quote]

"burning injustice"

Get a fucking grip of yourself.

Video evidence is corroborating the statements, as well as the various statements corroborating each other. But lets just ignore everything and bang on about how hard done by Suarez is.
[/quote]

Never said he was hard done by, simply said that one mans word against anothers is not sufficient (at least not in a properly convened court) to convict. The FA have simply reserved the right to decide on the 'balance of probability'. It's their prerogative. I'm surprised I've had to explain this to you.

Whatever, in the absence of hard evidence, an interpretation is always going to be injustice for some and a vindication for others. I wouldn't be happy implying racism without much better evidence.

 

[Dylan]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1453045#msg1453045 date=1325358492]

He comes off as a good guy on his FB page ... [/quote]

!

 

[King Binny]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

Like Rosco mentioned, the report is worth a read. Takes time to digest and certainly might not agree with the points/views but does state their stand/findings and clarify some doubts - albeit not convincingly or fully.

118. We received evidence from four of Mr Evra's team-mates about what happened immediately after the game. They were Valencia, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson. Their evidence was given in the form of written witness statements. These were served on Mr Suarez on 16 November 2011 with the Charge letter. Mr Suarez did not require any of these four players to attend the hearing for cross-examination and so Mr Suarez accepted their evidence in full. We proceeded, therefore, on the basis that the evidence contained in those witness statements is true and sets out what did, in fact, happen immediately after the game.

More info of the players' statements from points 117-126 (Man Utd players). Others' statements run all the way till point 151.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Binny link=topic=48021.msg1453059#msg1453059 date=1325359185]
Like Rosco mentioned, the report is worth a read. Takes time to digest and certainly might not agree with the points/views but does state their stand/findings and clarify some doubts - albeit not convincingly or fully.

118. We received evidence from four of Mr Evra's team-mates about what happened immediately after the game. They were Valencia, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson. Their evidence was given in the form of written witness statements. These were served on Mr Suarez on 16 November 2011 with the Charge letter. Mr Suarez did not require any of these four players to attend the hearing for cross-examination and so Mr Suarez accepted their evidence in full. We proceeded, therefore, on the basis that the evidence contained in those witness statements is true and sets out what did, in fact, happen immediately after the game.

More info of the players' statements from points 117-126.
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Since they use the term too (as per Suarez's comments in the newspaper), should we pursue 8 game bans for them too?

 

[Rosco]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

Wizzy - please read the thing. For me.

Jexy - you're on a conspiracy theory buzz, I'll leave you to it.

 

[Rosco]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1453060#msg1453060 date=1325359249]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=48021.msg1453059#msg1453059 date=1325359185]
Like Rosco mentioned, the report is worth a read. Takes time to digest and certainly might not agree with the points/views but does state their stand/findings and clarify some doubts - albeit not convincingly or fully.

118. We received evidence from four of Mr Evra's team-mates about what happened immediately after the game. They were Valencia, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson. Their evidence was given in the form of written witness statements. These were served on Mr Suarez on 16 November 2011 with the Charge letter. Mr Suarez did not require any of these four players to attend the hearing for cross-examination and so Mr Suarez accepted their evidence in full. We proceeded, therefore, on the basis that the evidence contained in those witness statements is true and sets out what did, in fact, happen immediately after the game.

More info of the players' statements from points 117-126.
[/quote]

Since they use the term too (as per Suarez's comments in the newspaper), should we pursue 8 game bans for them too?
[/quote]

Do you honestly believe the United team go around calling Evra negro ?

Really ?

 

[hmmmmm1]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

To the 2 people on site who have read the report.............

So can we appeal and can the ban by overturned or reduced?

 

[Dylan]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

LTW - do you think Suarez writes his own FB page? Like he does his own tweets in Spanish and English?

 

[jexykrodic]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Binny link=topic=48021.msg1453059#msg1453059 date=1325359185]
Like Rosco mentioned, the report is worth a read. Takes time to digest and certainly might not agree with the points/views but does state their stand/findings and clarify some doubts - albeit not convincingly or fully.

118. We received evidence from four of Mr Evra's team-mates about what happened immediately after the game. They were Valencia, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson. Their evidence was given in the form of written witness statements. These were served on Mr Suarez on 16 November 2011 with the Charge letter. Mr Suarez did not require any of these four players to attend the hearing for cross-examination and so Mr Suarez accepted their evidence in full. We proceeded, therefore, on the basis that the evidence contained in those witness statements is true and sets out what did, in fact, happen immediately after the game.

More info of the players' statements from points 117-126 (Man Utd players). Others' statements run all the way till point 151.
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That makes no sense, can you infer he 'accepted their evidence in full' and therefore 'those witness statements is true'?. I'd say Suarez would be inclined to think that it would be pointless calling Evra's team mates, as they'd just re-iterate their written statements. Get's more bizarre by the paragraph.

 

[Hansern]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453062#msg1453062 date=1325359469]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1453060#msg1453060 date=1325359249]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=48021.msg1453059#msg1453059 date=1325359185]
Like Rosco mentioned, the report is worth a read. Takes time to digest and certainly might not agree with the points/views but does state their stand/findings and clarify some doubts - albeit not convincingly or fully.

118. We received evidence from four of Mr Evra's team-mates about what happened immediately after the game. They were Valencia, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson. Their evidence was given in the form of written witness statements. These were served on Mr Suarez on 16 November 2011 with the Charge letter. Mr Suarez did not require any of these four players to attend the hearing for cross-examination and so Mr Suarez accepted their evidence in full. We proceeded, therefore, on the basis that the evidence contained in those witness statements is true and sets out what did, in fact, happen immediately after the game.

More info of the players' statements from points 117-126.
[/quote]

Since they use the term too (as per Suarez's comments in the newspaper), should we pursue 8 game bans for them too?
[/quote]

Do you honestly believe the United team go around calling Evra negro ?

Really ?
[/quote]

Thats not the point though is it?

 

[King Binny]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

The Club can confirm that they received the written reasons from the Regulatory Commission at short notice last night on the evening of the game against Newcastle United.

The player, the Club and our legal advisors will now take the necessary amount of time to read, digest and properly consider the contents of the 115 page judgment and will make no further comment at present.

The club is obviously not pleased with the timing of the receival.

 

[Rosco]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

I can actually see where Kenny is coming from in his defence of Suarez. I'm happy about that.

He's going on exactly what was said at the time in the dressing rooms after the game, rather than what the charge is IMO.

 

[jexykrodic]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453061#msg1453061 date=1325359381]
Wizzy - please read the thing. For me.

Jexy - you're on a conspiracy theory buzz, I'll leave you to it.
[/quote]

There's no conspiracy where there's hard evidence. Unless you're interpreting my posts on the balance of your idea of probability? I suggest you actually read it, and then point out the hard evidence for us.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453062#msg1453062 date=1325359469]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1453060#msg1453060 date=1325359249]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=48021.msg1453059#msg1453059 date=1325359185]
Like Rosco mentioned, the report is worth a read. Takes time to digest and certainly might not agree with the points/views but does state their stand/findings and clarify some doubts - albeit not convincingly or fully.

118. We received evidence from four of Mr Evra's team-mates about what happened immediately after the game. They were Valencia, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson. Their evidence was given in the form of written witness statements. These were served on Mr Suarez on 16 November 2011 with the Charge letter. Mr Suarez did not require any of these four players to attend the hearing for cross-examination and so Mr Suarez accepted their evidence in full. We proceeded, therefore, on the basis that the evidence contained in those witness statements is true and sets out what did, in fact, happen immediately after the game.

More info of the players' statements from points 117-126.
[/quote]

Since they use the term too (as per Suarez's comments in the newspaper), should we pursue 8 game bans for them too?
[/quote]

Do you honestly believe the United team go around calling Evra negro ?

Really ?
[/quote]

So you think Suarez is an out n' out liar and that this term is not used for black/dark players (like chicharito using it when talking about Omar Esparanza)?

I can't be bothered to read all of it mate ... I'd rather read a book you recommend about Irish history tbh ...

Dylan - It seems pretty 'poor' English, so I'm guessing yes ... Many players do this now ....

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

Just finished reading it, in all likelyhood it looks like Suarez did as was charged to some degree, however the lack of any real evidence bar Evra's word doesn't sit quite right with me. What happened to beyond resonable doubt here?

One mans word against another is never enough. Its no great suprise that Evra who has been living in England for 5 years presented himself better than Suarez who barely speaks english, the same thing can be said of the shortened transcript of events on Suarez's part. I think Suarez defence team didnt serve him well here, surely they should have ironed out the full account before the hearing.

Added to that Evra/The FA claim they don't think Suarez is a racist, given Evra's version of events that seems rather strange - contradictory even. As if his version of events is true Suarez is a racist!

I think the truth lies somewhere between both sets of events and its shit for us that th FA have gone with Evra totally.

 

[Hansern]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

The witness reports from the 4 utd players is not the best evidence is it? They didnt hear the comments from Suarez, bur could see he was upset and he told them what happened. What a joke.

 

[Rosco]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48021.msg1453071#msg1453071 date=1325359795]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453061#msg1453061 date=1325359381]
Wizzy - please read the thing. For me.

Jexy - you're on a conspiracy theory buzz, I'll leave you to it.
[/quote]

There's no conspiracy where there's hard evidence. Unless you're interpreting my posts on the balance of your idea of probability? I suggest you actually read it, and then point out the hard evidence for us.
[/quote]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

You suggested the FA "decided" to use the balance of probabilities , as if it wasn't normal and was specifically picked out for this instance. You've also suggested the FA made the decision, they didn't. The FA bring the charge, the independent panel decide on it.

Beyond reasonable doubt is only used in criminal trials. No criminal offence was being tried here. It was a breach of FA rules.
The Independent panel noted that the more serious the offence, the higher the burden of evidence.

 

[Asbo]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=48021.msg1453081#msg1453081 date=1325360222]
The witness reports from the 4 utd players is not the best evidence is it? They didnt hear the comments from Suarez, bur could see he was upset and he told them what happened. What a joke.
[/quote]

Yeah talk about 'after the fact'

 

[Asbo]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453083#msg1453083 date=1325360332]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48021.msg1453071#msg1453071 date=1325359795]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453061#msg1453061 date=1325359381]
Wizzy - please read the thing. For me.

Jexy - you're on a conspiracy theory buzz, I'll leave you to it.
[/quote]

There's no conspiracy where there's hard evidence. Unless you're interpreting my posts on the balance of your idea of probability? I suggest you actually read it, and then point out the hard evidence for us.
[/quote]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

You suggested the FA "decided" to use the balance of probabilities , as if it wasn't normal and was specifically picked out for this instance. You've also suggested the FA made the decision, they didn't. The FA bring the charge, the independent panel decide on it.

Beyond reasonable doubt is only used in criminal trials. No criminal offence was being tried here. It was a breach of FA rules.
The Independent panel noted that the more serious the offence, the higher the burden of evidence.
[/quote]

The FA opened their staement saying Luis Suarez ISN'T a Racist, they THEN say they are banning him for EIGHT games because he was accused of using the Spanish word Negro ( Which is the Spanish word for Black by the way) EIGHT TIMES by Evra although there is NO VIDEO evidence of it AT ALL.

Just for me, if they think Negro is Racist and he is supposed to have said it 8 times, just how many fucking times would he HAVE to say it to be considered a racist???

Its fucking ludicrous, the whole thing fucking Stinks ......

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

I have not said a lot in this thread, mainly as there has been an inordinate amount of bollocks being spouted.

"We found that Mr Evra's account is probably what happened "

Sums up the kangaroo court that was the panel

regards

 

[Hansern]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

Its not worth reading Imho Wizzy, its 115 pages of bollocks before they state that They believe Evras version and not Suarez. Hope the club takes this a far as they can.

 

[King Binny]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

Playing with words? The charge is with regard to the "use of racially insulting language".

428. In considering what sanction the Commission would have applied had the aggravating factor of colour not been present, we note Paragraph 8(d) of the Disciplinary Procedures which provides for an automatic two-match suspension if a player is sent off for insulting language. Thus, a player who used insulting language, which did not include any reference to ethnic origin, colour or race, would receive an automatic two-match suspension.

429. Rule E3(2) then directs us to consider, as an entry point, a sanction that is double the automatic two match suspension for insulting behaviour on account of the presence of the aggravating factor of a reference to colour. Doubling the automatic two-match suspension would result in a four-match suspension. We decided that an entry point of a four-match suspension was appropriate in this case in line with the guidance in Rule E3(2).

430. We then considered the factors that supported a greater penalty than the entry point of a four-match suspension ("aggravating factors&quot😉.

431. The first aggravating factor was the number of times Mr Suarez used the word "negro" or "negros". The entry point of a four-match suspension could apply in a case where the alleged offender had used insulting words including a reference to colour once only during a match. We have found that Mr Suarez used the word "negro" or "negros" seven times in his exchanges with Mr Evra. It happened, also, in a number of phases. First, there were the exchanges in the goalmouth. Secondly, there was the exchange just before the referee spoke to the players. Thirdly, there was the exchange just after the referee had spoken to the players. Whilst we recognised that the exchanges occurred over only a two-minute spell in the second half of the match, there were multiple uses of the insulting words by Mr Suarez.

432. The second aggravating factor was what Mr Suarez said when using the insulting words. He did not simply use the word "negro" to address Mr Evra. He did that, but he also said that he had kicked Mr Evra because he was black, and that he did not talk to blacks. Even if Mr Suarez said these things in the heat of the moment without really meaning them, nevertheless this was more than just calling Mr Evra "negro". According to the Spanish language experts, the uses would have been regarded as racially offensive in Uruguay.

433. The third aggravating factor was the context in which Mr Suarez used the insulting words. The context was of an acrimonious exchange, which included Mr Suarez pinching Mr Evra's skin and putting his hand on the back of his head, both of which we found were an attempt by Mr Suarez to wind up Mr Evra. Although we have found that the pinching itself was not insulting behaviour nor did it refer to Mr Evra's colour, such physical contact as part of a confrontation in which the insulting words were used served to aggravate the misconduct.

They they went on to list more aggravating and mitigating factors.

 

[jexykrodic]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453083#msg1453083 date=1325360332]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48021.msg1453071#msg1453071 date=1325359795]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453061#msg1453061 date=1325359381]
Wizzy - please read the thing. For me.

Jexy - you're on a conspiracy theory buzz, I'll leave you to it.
[/quote]

There's no conspiracy where there's hard evidence. Unless you're interpreting my posts on the balance of your idea of probability? I suggest you actually read it, and then point out the hard evidence for us.
[/quote]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

You suggested the FA "decided" to use the balance of probabilities , as if it wasn't normal and was specifically picked out for this instance. You've also suggested the FA made the decision, they didn't. The FA bring the charge, the independent panel decide on it.

Beyond reasonable doubt is only used in criminal trials. No criminal offence was being tried here. It was a breach of FA rules.
The Independent panel noted that the more serious the offence, the higher the burden of evidence.
[/quote]


Thank you for correcting me on the procedure, i'm not surprised you couldn't point out hard evidence though.

Really, if Suarez had said what Evra alleges then this a matter too serious for 'breaching rules' it should have been reported to the Police.

The balance of proof should be much higher than probability when a persons reputation is at stake. Regardless of the FA's playing with words they have implied he is racist and should be taken to task for it, if only to allow the accused to clear their name.

By the way, I don't think the FA are malicious; I just think they don't have the competence to interpret and made a bad situation worse.

 

[jimmy]

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

115 pages!!! ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN PAGES!!!
To analyze such an incident. These people are so full of themselves.
They are probably getting paid by the word.