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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

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[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=47188.msg1449166#msg1449166 date=1324483575]
I nominate most of this thread for kneejerk post of the year.
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Shut it, you Oniony bastardo !
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Onionist!
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Lick *my* summer onions !
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1449220#msg1449220 date=1324484800]
This thread should really be locked, I said it aboiut 50 pages back, there are things being said here that will split us.

Just lock it and talk again when the FA release the full evidence ITS CHRISTMAS!!
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yayyyy peace and goodwill. unfortunately does not apply to luis...
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1449170#msg1449170 date=1324483776]
I'm not going to react to your post the way I want to Andy. So I'll say that I find the fact you've mocked countless of people on this thread, and then get angry (with me, others) when it lights a fuse or people respond in kind, pathetic.
[/quote]React however you want Wiz. I dont care.
Im not angry with you at all. I think youre just one of the posters whos made a bit of a twat of themselves in this thread.
But i would never suggest you cant say to me whatever you think.
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I've got angry at people, and said some unnecessary things - but I apologized sincerely, unlike you and others on the 'other side.'

I don't think I've made myself look like a twat, but if I have - I'm happy to move on b/c frankly, I can't believe the attitude of many on this thread towards a person who's been accused of being racist (as I said from early on, I don't give two shits about the ban - this isn't about football for me).

Yours,
Twat
[/quote]Ive nothing to apologise for. I havnt been abusive or rude to people. I havnt called people names or ranted or lost my temper.
My contention was always there must be more info than we have and that he probably said more than we were told. That doesnt appear to be the case and I dont think what he said constitutes racism. But hes been niave and stupid and got himself in trouble.
No one on here is suggesting he is racist.
No one is happy about him being convicted.
No one wanted this.
But we who think he shouldnt have said something and shouldnt have admitted to it whatever the context are being painted as fergies apologists and anti liverpool.
Its laughable and pathetic.
And yeah I think a whole host of people have made twats of themselves.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1449220#msg1449220 date=1324484800]
This thread should really be locked, I said it aboiut 50 pages back, there are things being said here that will split us.

Just lock it and talk again when the FA release the full evidence ITS CHRISTMAS!!

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Definitely. People cannot control themselves.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47188.msg1449228#msg1449228 date=1324484966]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1449220#msg1449220 date=1324484800]
This thread should really be locked, I said it aboiut 50 pages back, there are things being said here that will split us.

Just lock it and talk again when the FA release the full evidence ITS CHRISTMAS!!

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Definitely. People cannot control themselves.
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This isn't like fat people at a free buffet.
 
I haven't called anyone anti-Liverpool ... or fergie apologists (that people believe he 'moved' the FA is silly). I've just said that people seemingly enjoyed this, stuck up their noses at the definite cultural differences there are here and just acted as if the 'other side' were froth at the month, blind liverpool fans. Asbo is right, split us it has. Was fun though.
 
Fuck it I'm joining in.

I am on Suarez side, I don't believe he is a racist because Kenny and LFC would not be standing shoulder to shoulder with him if he was.

All this 'there must be something else' well Kenny and the Club have heared EVERYTHING that was said, and they STILL stand by our man.

Anyone who thinks Suarez is a racist should be fucking ashamed of themselves, for doubting our player, our manager and our Club.

Good night and have a Happy Christmas ....
 
Kick It Out has released the following statement after Liverpool’s Luis Suarez was handed an eight-match ban and fined £40,000 for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra:

Lord Herman Ouseley, Chair of Kick It Out, said: “The FA has shown leadership and intent through what has clearly been a difficult and complex complaint to deal with, and invested time and expertise to ensure this outcome.

"It has demonstrated that it will not stand for discrimination, something organisations such as FIFA and UEFA should take heed of.

“Kick It Out will continue to work with clubs and players, at professional and grass roots level, offering education on what is deemed offensive and unacceptable behaviour."

I wonder when they will make a statement on Terry's charge. Probably will avoid it or go along with the" innocent until proven guilty" saying.
 
Suarez reputation already took a battering, labelled a cheat by loads on here before he came when he handballed in the world cup and then banned for ages after bitting an opposition player during a game.

The guys a nutter let's face it. I'm not saying he is a racist before anyone starts banging on btw. We know what happens when you fuck up and he has fucked up a few times already. He will also be banned for swearing at the fulham fans but then a load of posters will say it's the fa against lfc and the worlds against us etc the London press etc etc.
 
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=47188.msg1449238#msg1449238 date=1324485214]
Suarez reputation already took a battering, labelled a cheat by loads on here before he came when he handballed in the world cup and then banned for ages after bitting an opposition player during a game.

The guys a nutter let's face it. I'm not saying he is a racist before anyone starts banging on btw. We know what happens when you fuck up and he has fucked up a few times already. He will also be banned for swearing at the fulham fans but then a load of posters will say it's the fa against lfc and the worlds against us etc the London press etc etc.
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Err is Defoe a nutter too?

He bit Macherano on the shoulder when he was a West Ham player
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1449233#msg1449233 date=1324485137]
Fuck it I'm joining in.

I am on Suarez side, I don't believe he is a racist because Kenny and LFC would not be standing shoulder to shoulder with him if he was.

All this 'there must be something else' well Kenny and the Club have heared EVERYTHING that was said, and they STILL stand by our man.

Anyone who thinks Suarez is a racist should be fucking ashamed of themselves, for doubting our player, our manager and our Club.

Good night and have a Happy Christmas ....
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Not one person has called Suarez a racist.

Good night.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47188.msg1449234#msg1449234 date=1324485149]
Kick It Out has released the following statement after Liverpool’s Luis Suarez was handed an eight-match ban and fined £40,000 for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra:

Lord Herman Ouseley, Chair of Kick It Out, said: “The FA has shown leadership and intent through what has clearly been a difficult and complex complaint to deal with, and invested time and expertise to ensure this outcome.

"It has demonstrated that it will not stand for discrimination, something organisations such as FIFA and UEFA should take heed of.

“Kick It Out will continue to work with clubs and players, at professional and grass roots level, offering education on what is deemed offensive and unacceptable behaviour."

I wonder when they will make a statement on Terry's charge. Probably will avoid it or go along with the" innocent until proven guilty" saying.
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I heard the good Lord Ouseley on radio this morning. He welcome the verdict but said " Nobody is saying Luis Suarez is a racist. He's probably a nice guy". Must have been before he got his daily paper delivered.
 
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1449233#msg1449233 date=1324485137]
Fuck it I'm joining in.

I am on Suarez side, I don't believe he is a racist because Kenny and LFC would not be standing shoulder to shoulder with him if he was.

All this 'there must be something else' well Kenny and the Club have heared EVERYTHING that was said, and they STILL stand by our man.

Anyone who thinks Suarez is a racist should be fucking ashamed of themselves, for doubting our player, our manager and our Club.

Good night and have a Happy Christmas ....
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Not one person has called Suarez a racist.

Good night.
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No Happy Christmas?
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47188.msg1449242#msg1449242 date=1324485319]
More so than the gesture towards the Fulham fans, I find it stunning that we've been charged with failing to control our players. Amazing.
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Yeah that was one of the most unbelievable things to come from the FA in recent times. Madness.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1449233#msg1449233 date=1324485137]
Fuck it I'm joining in.

I am on Suarez side, I don't believe he is a racist because Kenny and LFC would not be standing shoulder to shoulder with him if he was.

All this 'there must be something else' well Kenny and the Club have heared EVERYTHING that was said, and they STILL stand by our man.

Anyone who thinks Suarez is a racist should be fucking ashamed of themselves, for doubting our player, our manager and our Club.
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I'm not sure many people (if any) have said Suarez is a racist outright. Iv not even seen any posters 'suggest' he is racist. So that part of your post is dismissed straightaway.

As mentioned anyone who doesn't conform and stand in line should be ashamed of themselves, it's kinda rubbish really.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1449232#msg1449232 date=1324485110]
I haven't called anyone anti-Liverpool ... or fergie apologists (that people believe he 'moved' the FA is silly). I've just said that people seemingly enjoyed this, stuck up their noses at the definite cultural differences there are here and just acted as if the 'other side' were froth at the month, blind liverpool fans. Asbo is right, split us it has. Was fun though.
[/quote]Im not splitting from anyone.
I think theres been some laughable and twattish shit thrown about but thats what happens when you have sensitive subject matter.
Thats why I dont post in these threads in general chat, because i strongly disagree with most people on issues like these.
This one has gone even weirder now though as almost to a man we have agreed he isnt racist but some posters are still STILL calling us out for saying he is racist.
Nevertheless. I care little. In fact i care non.
Haters goin hate.
 
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449150#msg1449150 date=1324482843]
Ah yeah, top post my arse
[/quote]Just ignore this silliness Anita.
The club have said that Evra was insulting to Suarez (in the most objectionable way) and we are being asked to believe that when he was being abused in the most objectionable way he just responded with a term of endearment back and wasnt in any way abusive to Evra...

Riiiiiiiiiiiight!!
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Objection you honour.

I put it to you that the club said Suarez didnt hear the Evra comment.

Sustained
[/quote]I think maybe you need to read the club statement again.
Or dont. I couldnt care less to be honest.
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"We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult."


Is this the bit you mean?
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1449232#msg1449232 date=1324485110]
I haven't called anyone anti-Liverpool ... or fergie apologists (that people believe he 'moved' the FA is silly). I've just said that people seemingly enjoyed this, stuck up their noses at the definite cultural differences there are here and just acted as if the 'other side' were froth at the month, blind liverpool fans. Asbo is right, split us it has. Was fun though.
[/quote]Im not splitting from anyone.
I think theres been some laughable and twattish shit thrown about but thats what happens when you have sensitive subject matter.
Thats why I dont post in these threads in general chat, because i strongly disagree with most people on issues like these.
This one has gone even weirder now though as almost to a man we have agreed he isnt racist but some posters are still STILL calling us out for saying he is racist.
Nevertheless. I care little. In fact i care non.
Haters goin hate.
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balohatersgonnahate.jpg
 
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1449233#msg1449233 date=1324485137]
Fuck it I'm joining in.

I am on Suarez side, I don't believe he is a racist because Kenny and LFC would not be standing shoulder to shoulder with him if he was.

All this 'there must be something else' well Kenny and the Club have heared EVERYTHING that was said, and they STILL stand by our man.

Anyone who thinks Suarez is a racist should be fucking ashamed of themselves, for doubting our player, our manager and our Club.
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I'm not sure many people (if any) have said Suarez is a racist outright. Iv not even seen any posters 'suggest' he is racist. So that part of your post is dismissed straightaway.

As mentioned anyone who doesn't conform and stand in line should be ashamed of themselves, it's kinda rubbish really.
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As is the idea that anyone who disagrees with your school of thought is "mental" or "putting their head in the sand". Such accusations have come AT LEAST as often from your side of the debate, and are largely responsible for getting decent guys like Wizzy as annoyed as they've been.
 
*Neutral swiss staying on the fence*

Cant wait to come for Drinkies with other neutral swedish guy :-X

Portly: It will be a farce if Terry gets less.

Just technically 8 match ban is ridiculous. And Im not getting into this debate. You both ban them for 3 games, like a red card, with a fine and send them to anti-racism civil action or whatever. 8 matches is non sense and we can just feel some kind of Fergie's conspiration, which is not good for the game. Just ban him for the rest of the season then
 
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449150#msg1449150 date=1324482843]
Ah yeah, top post my arse
[/quote]Just ignore this silliness Anita.
The club have said that Evra was insulting to Suarez (in the most objectionable way) and we are being asked to believe that when he was being abused in the most objectionable way he just responded with a term of endearment back and wasnt in any way abusive to Evra...

Riiiiiiiiiiiight!!
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Objection you honour.

I put it to you that the club said Suarez didnt hear the Evra comment.

Sustained
[/quote]I think maybe you need to read the club statement again.
Or dont. I couldnt care less to be honest.
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"We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult."


Is this the bit you mean?
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Well? Is it?
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1449269#msg1449269 date=1324485847]
Lawyer just on SSN suggesting that if we appeal, any ban might not come into play until at least the end of Feb.
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...and not necessarily even then, if we take the FA to court for judicial review when the appeal process is finished.
 
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