The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
- Thread starter Stulikesdrums
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47188.msg1449133#msg1449133 date=1324481987]
Anita, a reference to race does not make it a racist remark. Yet again, you're failing to realise that such words are perfectly normal/inoffensive in South America. You've simply proven my point.
As for lawyers, since when did the FA kangaroo court constitute a court of law? Feel free to question Suarez as a racist by all means but, by doing realise, you question the clubs and Kennys attitude to racism who are backing him to the hilt on this and rightly so. Suarez may be many things but being labelled, or even suggested, as a racist due to a misunderstanding on translation is as disgusting as racism itself in my view. Fucking internet lynch mob.
[/quote]
Ace post Sunny
Anita, a reference to race does not make it a racist remark. Yet again, you're failing to realise that such words are perfectly normal/inoffensive in South America. You've simply proven my point.
As for lawyers, since when did the FA kangaroo court constitute a court of law? Feel free to question Suarez as a racist by all means but, by doing realise, you question the clubs and Kennys attitude to racism who are backing him to the hilt on this and rightly so. Suarez may be many things but being labelled, or even suggested, as a racist due to a misunderstanding on translation is as disgusting as racism itself in my view. Fucking internet lynch mob.
[/quote]
Ace post Sunny
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47188.msg1449133#msg1449133 date=1324481987]
Anita, a reference to race does not make it a racist remark. Yet again, you're failing to realise that such words are perfectly normal/inoffensive in South America. You've simply proven my point.
As for lawyers, since when did the FA kangaroo court constitute a court of law? Feel free to question Suarez as a racist by all means but, by doing realise, you question the clubs and Kennys attitude to racism who are backing him to the hilt on this and rightly so. Suarez may be many things but being labelled, or even suggested, as a racist due to a misunderstanding on translation is as disgusting as racism itself in my view. Fucking internet lynch mob.
[/quote]
End of thread. Well done that man.....
Anita, a reference to race does not make it a racist remark. Yet again, you're failing to realise that such words are perfectly normal/inoffensive in South America. You've simply proven my point.
As for lawyers, since when did the FA kangaroo court constitute a court of law? Feel free to question Suarez as a racist by all means but, by doing realise, you question the clubs and Kennys attitude to racism who are backing him to the hilt on this and rightly so. Suarez may be many things but being labelled, or even suggested, as a racist due to a misunderstanding on translation is as disgusting as racism itself in my view. Fucking internet lynch mob.
[/quote]
End of thread. Well done that man.....
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47188.msg1449133#msg1449133 date=1324481987]
Anita, a reference to race does not make it a racist remark. Yet again, you're failing to realise that such words are perfectly normal/inoffensive in South America. You've simply proven my point.
As for lawyers, since when did the FA kangaroo court constitute a court of law? Feel free to question Suarez as a racist by all means but, by doing realise, you question the clubs and Kennys attitude to racism who are backing him to the hilt on this and rightly so. Suarez may be many things but being labelled, or even suggested, as a racist due to a misunderstanding on translation is as disgusting as racism itself in my view. Fucking internet lynch mob.
[/quote]
Yep.
Anita, a reference to race does not make it a racist remark. Yet again, you're failing to realise that such words are perfectly normal/inoffensive in South America. You've simply proven my point.
As for lawyers, since when did the FA kangaroo court constitute a court of law? Feel free to question Suarez as a racist by all means but, by doing realise, you question the clubs and Kennys attitude to racism who are backing him to the hilt on this and rightly so. Suarez may be many things but being labelled, or even suggested, as a racist due to a misunderstanding on translation is as disgusting as racism itself in my view. Fucking internet lynch mob.
[/quote]
Yep.
We still don't know the context of when Suarez said "negro".
Our club's statement said Suarez didn't hear Evra say "sudaca" and according to the Telegraph article, he denied saying it during the goalmouth incident when that heated exchange apparently happened. Hence our club's stance of the conviction based on Evra's word alone.
However, according to that same Telegraph article, Suarez has admitted to saying "negro" once but we don't know the context of it at this time. I'm guessing LFC sees the use of the word as being neutral on this occasion.
This is my understanding of it. We just have to wait and see the FA evidence to see why they punished him the way they have.
Our club's statement said Suarez didn't hear Evra say "sudaca" and according to the Telegraph article, he denied saying it during the goalmouth incident when that heated exchange apparently happened. Hence our club's stance of the conviction based on Evra's word alone.
However, according to that same Telegraph article, Suarez has admitted to saying "negro" once but we don't know the context of it at this time. I'm guessing LFC sees the use of the word as being neutral on this occasion.
This is my understanding of it. We just have to wait and see the FA evidence to see why they punished him the way they have.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/21/luis-suarez-liverpool-appeal-options?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theguardian%2Ffootball%2Frss+%28Football%29
Luis Suárez and Liverpool have limited appeal options to FA and courts
Liverpool could seek arbitration, or go to the high court or even the European courts – but Luis Suárez may be better advised to try to put the racism furore behind him
Steven Friel
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 21 December 2011 14.15 GMT
Luis Suárez has 14 days to consider whether to appeal against his eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra from the date that Liverpool receive the written reasons of the Football Association's regulatory commission, not from Tuesday, which was the date of the decision. It is important to note that Suárez can only appeal against the level of the sanction not the actual verdict.
I would expect Liverpool to receive the written reasons quite soon – they are usually provided within three working days of the decision being announced, although the Christmas period may slow this down. Giving two weeks to decide whether to lodge an appeal is unusual. The usual directions for appeals against the decisions of the regulatory commission provide for a much tighter timetable.
If Suárez decides not to appeal, the decision will become binding. If he decides to appeal, he must provide written submissions and there will be a hearing, at which he will be represented by lawyers. The appeal board can reduce the sanction, but it can also increase the sanction and its decision is stated to be final and binding. But if it goes against Suárez, he may be inclined to try a further challenge.
The additional options he may try to challenge the decision include the following:
• He could bring arbitration proceedings under rule K of the FA's rules. Such an arbitration would be limited to a challenge to the validity of the decision on the grounds of ultra vires (including error of law), irrationality or procedural unfairness. An arbitration would likely take place behind closed doors before a three-person tribunal. The process would take months rather than weeks, and it is likely that the suspension and fine would take effect pending the arbitration.
• He could attempt to bring judicial review proceedings in the high court, but his chances of getting this type of action off the ground must be considered quite limited. In a challenge to the setting up of the Premier League in 1992, the high court decided that the FA was not subject to judicial review.
Regarding how the FA will have prepared for attempts at appeal, the regulatory commission will take great care in the drafting of its written decision. The commission will want to ensure, as far as possible, that the logic and the application of the FA rules are as watertight as possible, giving as little room as they can to routes of appeal.
One other option that may be considered relates to the statement released by Liverpool FC. I note it states that "the accusation by this particular player [Evra] was not credible – certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations". Suárez, therefore, may consider suing Evra for defamation.
When decisions such as this come out, teams and players usually make a statement about "going all the way to Europe". Yet such statements rarely, if ever, come to anything. Rights of access to both the European court of human rights and the court of arbitration for sport are strictly limited, and I would find it hard to believe that any such challenge would be made in the first place.
It also strikes me that any decision whether to appeal may be used tactically. Suárez has 14 days to either (i) accept the charge, (ii) lodge an appeal or (iii) do nothing. If he admits the charge the penalty will take effect from the date the charge is admitted. Should Suárez appeal, the penalty is suspended until after the outcome of the appeal. Alternatively, Suárez could do nothing and allow the penalty to begin at the expiry of the 14-day deadline. These options will determine which matches Suárez can play in over the coming weeks.
A final point: when I advise clients on whether to commence legal action, the legal merits of their case is only one of a number of factors that I take into account. In a case such as this, Suárez and Liverpool should think long and hard about whether they want this case dragged out. A sensible option may be a contrite statement from Suárez making clear that he is not a racist and that he is gravely sorry for any offence he has caused and that, notwithstanding that he does not agree with the decision, he wants to put the whole episode behind him. The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football.
Steven Friel is a lawyer for Brown Rudnick who specialises in complex disputes
-------------------------------------------------------------
Wow......I can't believe the appeal system is so flawed. From the article above, it seems there's virtually no way Luis can overturn the verdict.
Luis Suárez and Liverpool have limited appeal options to FA and courts
Liverpool could seek arbitration, or go to the high court or even the European courts – but Luis Suárez may be better advised to try to put the racism furore behind him
Steven Friel
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 21 December 2011 14.15 GMT
Luis Suárez has 14 days to consider whether to appeal against his eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra from the date that Liverpool receive the written reasons of the Football Association's regulatory commission, not from Tuesday, which was the date of the decision. It is important to note that Suárez can only appeal against the level of the sanction not the actual verdict.
I would expect Liverpool to receive the written reasons quite soon – they are usually provided within three working days of the decision being announced, although the Christmas period may slow this down. Giving two weeks to decide whether to lodge an appeal is unusual. The usual directions for appeals against the decisions of the regulatory commission provide for a much tighter timetable.
If Suárez decides not to appeal, the decision will become binding. If he decides to appeal, he must provide written submissions and there will be a hearing, at which he will be represented by lawyers. The appeal board can reduce the sanction, but it can also increase the sanction and its decision is stated to be final and binding. But if it goes against Suárez, he may be inclined to try a further challenge.
The additional options he may try to challenge the decision include the following:
• He could bring arbitration proceedings under rule K of the FA's rules. Such an arbitration would be limited to a challenge to the validity of the decision on the grounds of ultra vires (including error of law), irrationality or procedural unfairness. An arbitration would likely take place behind closed doors before a three-person tribunal. The process would take months rather than weeks, and it is likely that the suspension and fine would take effect pending the arbitration.
• He could attempt to bring judicial review proceedings in the high court, but his chances of getting this type of action off the ground must be considered quite limited. In a challenge to the setting up of the Premier League in 1992, the high court decided that the FA was not subject to judicial review.
Regarding how the FA will have prepared for attempts at appeal, the regulatory commission will take great care in the drafting of its written decision. The commission will want to ensure, as far as possible, that the logic and the application of the FA rules are as watertight as possible, giving as little room as they can to routes of appeal.
One other option that may be considered relates to the statement released by Liverpool FC. I note it states that "the accusation by this particular player [Evra] was not credible – certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations". Suárez, therefore, may consider suing Evra for defamation.
When decisions such as this come out, teams and players usually make a statement about "going all the way to Europe". Yet such statements rarely, if ever, come to anything. Rights of access to both the European court of human rights and the court of arbitration for sport are strictly limited, and I would find it hard to believe that any such challenge would be made in the first place.
It also strikes me that any decision whether to appeal may be used tactically. Suárez has 14 days to either (i) accept the charge, (ii) lodge an appeal or (iii) do nothing. If he admits the charge the penalty will take effect from the date the charge is admitted. Should Suárez appeal, the penalty is suspended until after the outcome of the appeal. Alternatively, Suárez could do nothing and allow the penalty to begin at the expiry of the 14-day deadline. These options will determine which matches Suárez can play in over the coming weeks.
A final point: when I advise clients on whether to commence legal action, the legal merits of their case is only one of a number of factors that I take into account. In a case such as this, Suárez and Liverpool should think long and hard about whether they want this case dragged out. A sensible option may be a contrite statement from Suárez making clear that he is not a racist and that he is gravely sorry for any offence he has caused and that, notwithstanding that he does not agree with the decision, he wants to put the whole episode behind him. The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football.
Steven Friel is a lawyer for Brown Rudnick who specialises in complex disputes
-------------------------------------------------------------
Wow......I can't believe the appeal system is so flawed. From the article above, it seems there's virtually no way Luis can overturn the verdict.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449119#msg1449119 date=1324481522]
Evra should be banned too! No question.
But that doesn't make Suarez any less guilty in my eyes. How does embodying the crime your upset about free you of guilt? It doesn't, it makes both parties guilty.
[/quote]
I don't know who's more guilty - it doesn't really bother me the ban. I care about he being tarred as a racist, which he doesn't seem to be in my eyes.
Evra should be banned too! No question.
But that doesn't make Suarez any less guilty in my eyes. How does embodying the crime your upset about free you of guilt? It doesn't, it makes both parties guilty.
[/quote]
I don't know who's more guilty - it doesn't really bother me the ban. I care about he being tarred as a racist, which he doesn't seem to be in my eyes.
No Sunny, I'm be 'failing to undertand' anything. If you'd bothered to read my posts you'd realise, that I haven't called Suarez a racist, not once.
I've also, on several occasions, acknowledged that the term may have different meanings but have then gone on to say I find it difficult to accept the in the given situation Suarez was intending to be anything but offensive.
In not part of any 'lynch mob', and don't come at me with that pissy arsehole tone
I've also, on several occasions, acknowledged that the term may have different meanings but have then gone on to say I find it difficult to accept the in the given situation Suarez was intending to be anything but offensive.
In not part of any 'lynch mob', and don't come at me with that pissy arsehole tone
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47188.msg1449127#msg1449127 date=1324481673]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1449110#msg1449110 date=1324481221]
Ok so we agree - can you stop trying to beat me up verbally now?[/quote]
fcuk teh waht?
[/quote]
we agree dude (i'm being serious) on him needing to be banned etc
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1449110#msg1449110 date=1324481221]
Ok so we agree - can you stop trying to beat me up verbally now?[/quote]
fcuk teh waht?
[/quote]
we agree dude (i'm being serious) on him needing to be banned etc
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1449061#msg1449061 date=1324479113]
[quote author=themn link=topic=47188.msg1449060#msg1449060 date=1324479011]
STOP FIGHTING
STOP FIGHTING
YOU'RE ALL BROTHERS FROM THE SHAOLIN TEMPLLLLLLLE !
[/quote]
slanted one eyed old man.... and I am Chinese
[/quote]
Note: no mention of colour in this statement. Therefore Y1 is NOT racist.
[quote author=themn link=topic=47188.msg1449060#msg1449060 date=1324479011]
STOP FIGHTING
STOP FIGHTING
YOU'RE ALL BROTHERS FROM THE SHAOLIN TEMPLLLLLLLE !
[/quote]
slanted one eyed old man.... and I am Chinese
[/quote]
Note: no mention of colour in this statement. Therefore Y1 is NOT racist.
There seems to be this debate about if the word refers to race, is it racist... My take is that if it refers to race, under the FA rules, it has no place on the pitch. Fair enough.
What people don't seem to grasp is that "negro" is so often used, so colloquial, that it doesn't even refer to race, or skin color. I know that sounds absurd, but its a DIFFERENT language. With its own history. So my uncle uses the word "negra" for my aunt. She walks in, "hey negra, we're making dinner..." She is not black. She is not blindingly pale; it's not used ironically. It's just a word that through some weird linguistic channel has become so common place that its a term of endearment. So much so you even use it with people who are strangers. At a bar, "hey negro, can we borrow that chair." In many contexts it has nothing to do with race, nor even the color. Just as "bud" has nothing to do with flowers. "Negro" is just a South American linguistic tic.
It's a complex word for sure. And I could write more about it... But it'll bore you all. At any rate, to me it seems like the FA has chosen a position which at a logical extreme (oxymoron?) mandates that one can only speak english on the pitch. Because if it's another language, we're gonna treat it like English, and despite your native familiarity with the language... we'll impose our non-subtle, foreign translation on it. Because we know your language better than you.
Not to say if Rooney grabbed the camera and said "La concha de tu madre!" it'd be okay. Very tricky.
Anyways... is he playing v Wigan?
What people don't seem to grasp is that "negro" is so often used, so colloquial, that it doesn't even refer to race, or skin color. I know that sounds absurd, but its a DIFFERENT language. With its own history. So my uncle uses the word "negra" for my aunt. She walks in, "hey negra, we're making dinner..." She is not black. She is not blindingly pale; it's not used ironically. It's just a word that through some weird linguistic channel has become so common place that its a term of endearment. So much so you even use it with people who are strangers. At a bar, "hey negro, can we borrow that chair." In many contexts it has nothing to do with race, nor even the color. Just as "bud" has nothing to do with flowers. "Negro" is just a South American linguistic tic.
It's a complex word for sure. And I could write more about it... But it'll bore you all. At any rate, to me it seems like the FA has chosen a position which at a logical extreme (oxymoron?) mandates that one can only speak english on the pitch. Because if it's another language, we're gonna treat it like English, and despite your native familiarity with the language... we'll impose our non-subtle, foreign translation on it. Because we know your language better than you.
Not to say if Rooney grabbed the camera and said "La concha de tu madre!" it'd be okay. Very tricky.
Anyways... is he playing v Wigan?
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449150#msg1449150 date=1324482843]
Ah yeah, top post my arse
[/quote]Just ignore this silliness Anita.
The club have said that Evra was insulting to Suarez (in the most objectionable way) and we are being asked to believe that when he was being abused in the most objectionable way he just responded with a term of endearment back and wasnt in any way abusive to Evra...
Riiiiiiiiiiiight!!
Ah yeah, top post my arse
[/quote]Just ignore this silliness Anita.
The club have said that Evra was insulting to Suarez (in the most objectionable way) and we are being asked to believe that when he was being abused in the most objectionable way he just responded with a term of endearment back and wasnt in any way abusive to Evra...
Riiiiiiiiiiiight!!
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=47188.msg1449143#msg1449143 date=1324482552]
Wow......I can't believe the appeal system is so flawed. From the article above, it seems there's virtually no way Luis can overturn the verdict.
[/quote]
I note that the "Guardian's" lawyer finishes his remarks with "The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football."
So it's clear what he thinks of Suarez.
Despite this chap being an expert in the law relating to the F.A, I find it difficult to believe that English Law would provide no remedy to someone who has had his reputation blackened by a sporting association. Surely Suarez and/or the club could sue the FA for defamation?
Wow......I can't believe the appeal system is so flawed. From the article above, it seems there's virtually no way Luis can overturn the verdict.
[/quote]
I note that the "Guardian's" lawyer finishes his remarks with "The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football."
So it's clear what he thinks of Suarez.
Despite this chap being an expert in the law relating to the F.A, I find it difficult to believe that English Law would provide no remedy to someone who has had his reputation blackened by a sporting association. Surely Suarez and/or the club could sue the FA for defamation?
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=47188.msg1449159#msg1449159 date=1324483325]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1449061#msg1449061 date=1324479113]
[quote author=themn link=topic=47188.msg1449060#msg1449060 date=1324479011]
STOP FIGHTING
STOP FIGHTING
YOU'RE ALL BROTHERS FROM THE SHAOLIN TEMPLLLLLLLE !
[/quote]
slanted one eyed charlie yellow old man.... and I am Chinese
[/quote]
Note: no mention of colour in this statement. Therefore Y1 is NOT racist.
[/quote]
fixed?
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1449061#msg1449061 date=1324479113]
[quote author=themn link=topic=47188.msg1449060#msg1449060 date=1324479011]
STOP FIGHTING
STOP FIGHTING
YOU'RE ALL BROTHERS FROM THE SHAOLIN TEMPLLLLLLLE !
[/quote]
slanted one eyed charlie yellow old man.... and I am Chinese
[/quote]
Note: no mention of colour in this statement. Therefore Y1 is NOT racist.
[/quote]
fixed?
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449149#msg1449149 date=1324482789]
No Sunny, I'm be 'failing to undertand' anything. If you'd bothered to read my posts you'd realise, that I haven't called Suarez a racist, not once.
I've also, on several occasions, acknowledged that the term may have different meanings but have then gone on to say I find it difficult to accept the in the given situation Suarez was intending to be anything but offensive.
In not part of any 'lynch mob', and don't come at me with that pissy arsehole tone
[/quote]
You've said that Suarez isn't "any less guilty in (your) eyes" ergo you're saying he's guilty of racism. You ARE failing to comprehend it you've made that clear. You're talking utter fucking shite. You're not alone though. As for pissy arsehole tone, I really haven't a clue what the fuck you're blathering on about.
No Sunny, I'm be 'failing to undertand' anything. If you'd bothered to read my posts you'd realise, that I haven't called Suarez a racist, not once.
I've also, on several occasions, acknowledged that the term may have different meanings but have then gone on to say I find it difficult to accept the in the given situation Suarez was intending to be anything but offensive.
In not part of any 'lynch mob', and don't come at me with that pissy arsehole tone
[/quote]
You've said that Suarez isn't "any less guilty in (your) eyes" ergo you're saying he's guilty of racism. You ARE failing to comprehend it you've made that clear. You're talking utter fucking shite. You're not alone though. As for pissy arsehole tone, I really haven't a clue what the fuck you're blathering on about.
I nominate most of this thread for kneejerk post of the year.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1449162#msg1449162 date=1324483403]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449150#msg1449150 date=1324482843]
Ah yeah, top post my arse
[/quote]Just ignore this silliness Anita.
The club have said that Evra was insulting to Suarez (in the most objectionable way) and we are being asked to believe that when he was being abused in the most objectionable way he just responded with a term of endearment back and wasnt in any way abusive to Evra...
Riiiiiiiiiiiight!!
[/quote]
Objection you honour.
I put it to you that the club said Suarez didnt hear the Evra comment.
Sustained
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449150#msg1449150 date=1324482843]
Ah yeah, top post my arse
[/quote]Just ignore this silliness Anita.
The club have said that Evra was insulting to Suarez (in the most objectionable way) and we are being asked to believe that when he was being abused in the most objectionable way he just responded with a term of endearment back and wasnt in any way abusive to Evra...
Riiiiiiiiiiiight!!
[/quote]
Objection you honour.
I put it to you that the club said Suarez didnt hear the Evra comment.
Sustained
I'm not going to react to your post the way I want to Andy. So I'll say that I find the fact you've mocked countless of people on this thread, and then get angry (with me, others) when it lights a fuse or people respond in kind, pathetic.
S
Squiggles
Guest
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449149#msg1449149 date=1324482789]
No Sunny, I'm be 'failing to undertand' anything. If you'd bothered to read my posts you'd realise, that I haven't called Suarez a racist, not once.
I've also, on several occasions, acknowledged that the term may have different meanings but have then gone on to say I find it difficult to accept the in the given situation Suarez was intending to be anything but offensive.
In not part of any 'lynch mob', and don't come at me with that pissy arsehole tone
[/quote]
He does it a lot lately.
No Sunny, I'm be 'failing to undertand' anything. If you'd bothered to read my posts you'd realise, that I haven't called Suarez a racist, not once.
I've also, on several occasions, acknowledged that the term may have different meanings but have then gone on to say I find it difficult to accept the in the given situation Suarez was intending to be anything but offensive.
In not part of any 'lynch mob', and don't come at me with that pissy arsehole tone
[/quote]
He does it a lot lately.
It's the suggestion anyone who disagrees with the club is part of a lynch mob, it's the suggestion that lfc fans are hoping that a player is banned for doing fuck all. It's flipping stupid.
It's the arrogance to suggest people are not reading posts when it's pretty clear they haven't themselves.
It's the arrogance to suggest people are not reading posts when it's pretty clear they haven't themselves.
S
Squiggles
Guest
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=47188.msg1449172#msg1449172 date=1324483841]
It's the suggestion anyone who disagrees with the club is part of a lynch mob, it's the suggestion that lfc fans are hoping that a player is banned for doing fuck all. It's flipping stupid.
It's the arrogance to suggest people are not reading posts when it's pretty clear they haven't themselves.
[/quote]
Yep, well said.
It's the suggestion anyone who disagrees with the club is part of a lynch mob, it's the suggestion that lfc fans are hoping that a player is banned for doing fuck all. It's flipping stupid.
It's the arrogance to suggest people are not reading posts when it's pretty clear they haven't themselves.
[/quote]
Yep, well said.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=47188.msg1449163#msg1449163 date=1324483441]
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=47188.msg1449143#msg1449143 date=1324482552]
Wow......I can't believe the appeal system is so flawed. From the article above, it seems there's virtually no way Luis can overturn the verdict.
[/quote]
I note that the "Guardian's" lawyer finishes his remarks with "The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football."
So it's clear what he thinks of Suarez.
Despite this chap being an expert in the law relating to the F.A, I find it difficult to believe that English Law would provide no remedy to someone who has had his reputation blackened by a sporting association. Surely Suarez and/or the club could sue the FA for defamation?
[/quote]
Quite. The issue of a judicial review surely doesn't entirely overlap with various other legal objections as to how the FA treats an individual.
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=47188.msg1449143#msg1449143 date=1324482552]
Wow......I can't believe the appeal system is so flawed. From the article above, it seems there's virtually no way Luis can overturn the verdict.
[/quote]
I note that the "Guardian's" lawyer finishes his remarks with "The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football."
So it's clear what he thinks of Suarez.
Despite this chap being an expert in the law relating to the F.A, I find it difficult to believe that English Law would provide no remedy to someone who has had his reputation blackened by a sporting association. Surely Suarez and/or the club could sue the FA for defamation?
[/quote]
Quite. The issue of a judicial review surely doesn't entirely overlap with various other legal objections as to how the FA treats an individual.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1449169#msg1449169 date=1324483761]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1449162#msg1449162 date=1324483403]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449150#msg1449150 date=1324482843]
Ah yeah, top post my arse
[/quote]Just ignore this silliness Anita.
The club have said that Evra was insulting to Suarez (in the most objectionable way) and we are being asked to believe that when he was being abused in the most objectionable way he just responded with a term of endearment back and wasnt in any way abusive to Evra...
Riiiiiiiiiiiight!!
[/quote]
Objection you honour.
I put it to you that the club said Suarez didnt hear the Evra comment.
Sustained
[/quote]I think maybe you need to read the club statement again.
Or dont. I couldnt care less to be honest.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1449162#msg1449162 date=1324483403]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1449150#msg1449150 date=1324482843]
Ah yeah, top post my arse
[/quote]Just ignore this silliness Anita.
The club have said that Evra was insulting to Suarez (in the most objectionable way) and we are being asked to believe that when he was being abused in the most objectionable way he just responded with a term of endearment back and wasnt in any way abusive to Evra...
Riiiiiiiiiiiight!!
[/quote]
Objection you honour.
I put it to you that the club said Suarez didnt hear the Evra comment.
Sustained
[/quote]I think maybe you need to read the club statement again.
Or dont. I couldnt care less to be honest.
Similar threads
-
- Locked
