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There IS a need to present more evidence than the "evidence" we all know.
If it is just the "por que negro" incident, then my interpretation as a Uruguayan is it is not used as a slur. And to say that in that context "negro" refers to race is absurd. The word is colloquial. People throw it around, and certainly without considering England's historical role in the slave-trade and abolition. Just as when one says "pal": you're not considering the etymological Sanskrit meaning "brother."... I know its more loaded in this situation, all I'm saying is that the FA can't legislate a foreign word. A foreign word is NOT to be judged entirely by its English reductionist, literal interpretation. Maybe I'm mistaken, and maybe in England the rules of language change. Words don't mean what they mean, only what they sound like to an English ear... Coqs.
Well I'm sure by now we're all tired of this debate. It doesn't matter what you or I think. The FA has decided. I'm sure they're loving being portrayed as the only moral pillars in the footballing world, defenders of decency, etc etc. The more I read about it, the more unfair I believe this ban to be. I think the kid is being used as a whipping boy (English royal custom 15th + 16th century).
Fuck. It's not about semantics or history. The kid is being dragged through the mud on a fucking mere pretext. I hope the appeal can be presented to a reasonable panel.
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Great post. Yes, this has finally given the FA the grandstand they needed to stick it up the foreigners. It is amazing how xenophobia is informing the press and FA's response to this case.
And this has certainly percolated down. I heard a (self identifying) black guy from London on the phone this morning, talking about the case, and getting angrier as he talked.
"I'm not having it that it is OK to say it in south America. He's in England now, [size=14pt]he's happy enough to take our money[/size]-[size=18pt] he's living in our country[/size], [size=18pt]and he needs to leave it at the airport when he's getting on the plane to England..[/size].etc. etc."
You could have taken the words changed the context and put them in the mouth of someone from the English defence league, no fucking problem.
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Interesting that you have emboldened the 'our', it's his country too is it not? That's where he would differ from the English Defence League and its a shame you don't see it.
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Don't be a tit. I emboldened the 'our' exactly because all this 'our country' bollocks is EDL territory- it is antithetical to the idea of multiculturalism- cosmopolitanism. It is precisely multiculturalism that is meant to dilute the 'our country' shite.
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You're wrong and be careful with name calling. Multi-culturalism is about being inclusive, in short, its everyone's country who are born here and entitled to a UK passport.
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Which no one is denying
What is your point? He's allowed to be offended by suarez, that's fine, yet it's also acceptable to persecute someone because of their foreign language?
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My point, which is quite clear, is that black an minority ethnic peoples are entitled to consider this their country too if born here. Emboldening the word 'our' in such an ironic way, can imply otherwise and to further liken it to the English Defence League who believe that to the contrary is ill-conceived.
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I *obviously* also share the belief that people of any creed can be British. Emboldening 'our' was to demonstrate the xenophobic tendencies of the opinions being expressed by this member of an 'ethnic minority'. It was also to actually represent the actual timbre of his voice- he stressed 'our'. It was not to suggest that this person couldn't consider himself English. You've clearly taken that up completely wrongly.
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It's fine mate. He thinks I'm a racist because I called Sterling small, black and lightweight. I think KK might be David Davies.
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Edit: KK doesn't think I'm racist anymore. Just you.
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Well I didn't say that you were a racist anywhere, you said that, just like Squiggles. He took it upon himself to say I did. I merely pointed out labelling Raheem Sterling a 'little black kid' wasn't acceptable as its patently obvious what race he is and his ethnicity is irrelevant. He should be thanking me for educating him not bearing a grudge for something I didn't say. Only he knows if he is racist but what he said can be deemed as such.
