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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47188.msg1448938#msg1448938 date=1324474384]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47188.msg1#msg1 date=1324474309]
I still find that mirror headline incredible. Who wrote the article?
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What is it? I'm not trawling through this shit storm
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I'd be tempted to go all right, down to my lawyers toot sweet. Otherwise I'd be all the more determined not to buckle under this kind of witchhunt and I'm hopeful he'll see it that way too.
 
"No-one is saying he's a racist; he's probably a very nice guy" - Lord Ouseley, Chair of Kick it Out campaign.
 
Re: Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1#msg1 date=1324474717]
I'd be tempted to go all right, down to my lawyers toot sweet. Otherwise I'd be all the more determined not to buckle under this kind of witchhunt and I'm hopeful he'll see it that way too.
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Fingers crossed
 
[quote author=25_05_05 link=topic=47188.msg1448950#msg1448950 date=1324474770]
"No-one is saying he's a racist; he's probably a very nice guy" - Lord Ouseley, Chair of Kick it Out campaign.
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bah humbug! how ridiculous.
 
Wait there's more...

"Former executive director Davies said the FA was "way ahead" of Uefa and Fifa, the European and world governing bodies for football, when it came to tackling racism in football."
 
Re: Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1#msg1 date=1324474887]
Luther Blissett's apparently weighed in now, saying Luis should be prosecuted.
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sound

Hope he says the same about terry too
 
There IS a need to present more evidence than the "evidence" we all know.

If it is just the "por que negro" incident, then my interpretation as a Uruguayan is it is not used as a slur. And to say that in that context "negro" refers to race is absurd. The word is colloquial. People throw it around, and certainly without considering England's historical role in the slave-trade and abolition. Just as when one says "pal": you're not considering the etymological Sanskrit meaning "brother."... I know its more loaded in this situation, all I'm saying is that the FA can't legislate a foreign word. A foreign word is NOT to be judged entirely by its English reductionist, literal interpretation. Maybe I'm mistaken, and maybe in England the rules of language change. Words don't mean what they mean, only what they sound like to an English ear... Coqs.

Well I'm sure by now we're all tired of this debate. It doesn't matter what you or I think. The FA has decided. I'm sure they're loving being portrayed as the only moral pillars in the footballing world, defenders of decency, etc etc. The more I read about it, the more unfair I believe this ban to be. I think the kid is being used as a whipping boy (English royal custom 15th + 16th century).

Fuck. It's not about semantics or history. The kid is being dragged through the mud on a fucking mere pretext. I hope the appeal can be presented to a reasonable panel.
 
[quote author=Chan link=topic=47188.msg1448946#msg1448946 date=1324474556]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47188.msg1448938#msg1448938 date=1324474384]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47188.msg1#msg1 date=1324474309]
I still find that mirror headline incredible. Who wrote the article?
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What is it? I'm not trawling through this shit storm
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Thats libel pure and simple.... straight to the lawyers, regardless of what he said.
 
It's unfortunate that Suarez has been made an example of by the FA. The punishment was clearly political in that they have to be seen to be acting on racism. The Opinion makers, to a man have supported the FA for their stance and they (The FA) have achieved their goal in being seen to be taking a zero tolerance for racism in the game, for the club to be supporting Suarez makes it appear that they are are supporting a player who has made a racial slur and in doing so, they risk being branded as racist.

Recently in a Champions League match, Chelsea fans chanted 'Anton Ferdinand, you know what you are', in reference to and support of John Terry's recent allegations. This is clearly more offensive and a clear cut and unambiguous case of racism and racist chanting I've ever seen. If the FA wanted to be seen as taking a stand, this should have been the incident to act on. It has been swept under the carpet, in fact it's barely mentioned at all now and I find it sad as it's a lot more dangerous, offensive and criminal. The FA are cowards and to have used Suarez for their purposes is wrong and shows no understanding of racism, the punishment doesn't fit the crime and they have allowed a much larger incident witnessed by millions around around the world to go unpunished. they haven't taken a stand against racism at all.
 
[quote author=25_05_05 link=topic=47188.msg1448957#msg1448957 date=1324475081]
"Former executive director Davies said the FA was "way ahead" of Uefa and Fifa, the European and world governing bodies for football, when it came to tackling racism in football."
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Excellent. Thanks FA!
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448901#msg1448901 date=1324472296]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1448886#msg1448886 date=1324471809]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448841#msg1448841 date=1324470344]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1448827#msg1448827 date=1324469703]
I actual factual love this thread.
I really think some people are slightly mental.

Brilliant.
He said it. He admitted saying it. The end.

Theres some utter bollocks being spouted about everything else.

Each individual has to decide if they think he is a racist, or if they think the punishment is harsh or if they think *snigger* Fergie is behind it all and controls the FA etc etc
But he admitted using a word that caused offence and has been done for it.
The end.
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... and you wonder why some people have exploded on this thread ...

Since you aren't one of the mental folk (thankfully as you are 6CM man of the year, and we don't want a mentalist winning that prestigious award):

1) if the term is used by Manure teammates on Evra too, should they be done for it?
2) why wasn't Evra done in for using an offensive term to Suarez?
[/quote]Aaah youre lovely.
Im not scm man of the year Wiz, Im barely registering a vote these days.
I cant really see the point in answering your questions, i think you already know the answers to be honest.

And no I dont see why people are exploding. Its retarded.
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I think it's time to quit footy and move on to ballet. At least everyone there is nice and gentle.
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^^^hasn't seen 'Black Swan'.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=47188.msg1448969#msg1448969 date=1324475512]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448901#msg1448901 date=1324472296]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1448886#msg1448886 date=1324471809]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448841#msg1448841 date=1324470344]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1448827#msg1448827 date=1324469703]
I actual factual love this thread.
I really think some people are slightly mental.

Brilliant.
He said it. He admitted saying it. The end.

Theres some utter bollocks being spouted about everything else.

Each individual has to decide if they think he is a racist, or if they think the punishment is harsh or if they think *snigger* Fergie is behind it all and controls the FA etc etc
But he admitted using a word that caused offence and has been done for it.
The end.
[/quote]

... and you wonder why some people have exploded on this thread ...

Since you aren't one of the mental folk (thankfully as you are 6CM man of the year, and we don't want a mentalist winning that prestigious award):

1) if the term is used by Manure teammates on Evra too, should they be done for it?
2) why wasn't Evra done in for using an offensive term to Suarez?
[/quote]Aaah youre lovely.
Im not scm man of the year Wiz, Im barely registering a vote these days.
I cant really see the point in answering your questions, i think you already know the answers to be honest.

And no I dont see why people are exploding. Its retarded.
[/quote]



I think it's time to quit footy and move on to ballet. At least everyone there is nice and gentle.
[/quote]

^^^hasn't seen 'Black Swan'.
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Guilty as charged. Will try choreographed swimming.
 
Some fuck head just emailed me this:

Did you know that in his entire time in management, the only black player signed by Kenny Dalgish is John Barnes. odd huh.

He also sold ferdinand, asprilla, and hislop.

Weird.


*****
I'm struggling to come up with any black players he has signed, not that it means a fucking thing.

Kenny is a fucking racist and all.
 
Re: Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=Bradley link=topic=47188.msg1#msg1 date=1324475832]
Some fuck head just emailed me this:

Did you know that in his entire time in management, the only black player signed by Kenny Dalgish is John Barnes. odd huh.

He also sold ferdinand, asprilla, and hislop.

Weird.


*****
I'm struggling to come up with any black players he has signed, not that it means a fucking thing.

Kenny is a fucking racist and all.
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Hadn't he just signed ibe, ojo and other 3 letter name lads?
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448966#msg1448966 date=1324475291]
[quote author=25_05_05 link=topic=47188.msg1448957#msg1448957 date=1324475081]
"Former executive director Davies said the FA was "way ahead" of Uefa and Fifa, the European and world governing bodies for football, when it came to tackling racism in football."
[/quote]

Excellent. Thanks FA!
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i just read those quotes on the BBC ...ties in exactly with Vickery's article and what he feared was one of the main motives behind the stiff penalty .
 
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=47188.msg1448973#msg1448973 date=1324475832]
Some fuck head just emailed me this:

Did you know that in his entire time in management, the only black player signed by Kenny Dalgish is John Barnes. odd huh.

He also sold ferdinand, asprilla, and hislop.

Weird.


*****
I'm struggling to come up with any black players he has signed, not that it means a fucking thing.

Kenny is a fucking racist and all.
[/quote]

almost half the youth team are bruders man
 
[quote author=ElMalarkey link=topic=47188.msg1448962#msg1448962 date=1324475162]
There IS a need to present more evidence than the "evidence" we all know.

If it is just the "por que negro" incident, then my interpretation as a Uruguayan is it is not used as a slur. And to say that in that context "negro" refers to race is absurd. The word is colloquial. People throw it around, and certainly without considering England's historical role in the slave-trade and abolition. Just as when one says "pal": you're not considering the etymological Sanskrit meaning "brother."... I know its more loaded in this situation, all I'm saying is that the FA can't legislate a foreign word. A foreign word is NOT to be judged entirely by its English reductionist, literal interpretation. Maybe I'm mistaken, and maybe in England the rules of language change. Words don't mean what they mean, only what they sound like to an English ear... Coqs.

Well I'm sure by now we're all tired of this debate. It doesn't matter what you or I think. The FA has decided. I'm sure they're loving being portrayed as the only moral pillars in the footballing world, defenders of decency, etc etc. The more I read about it, the more unfair I believe this ban to be. I think the kid is being used as a whipping boy (English royal custom 15th + 16th century).

Fuck. It's not about semantics or history. The kid is being dragged through the mud on a fucking mere pretext. I hope the appeal can be presented to a reasonable panel.
[/quote]

Great post. Yes, this has finally given the FA the grandstand they needed to stick it up the foreigners. It is amazing how xenophobia is informing the press and FA's response to this case.

And this has certainly percolated down. I heard a (self identifying) black guy from London on the phone this morning, talking about the case, and getting angrier as he talked.

"I'm not having it that it is OK to say it in south America. He's in England now, [size=14pt]he's happy enough to take our money[/size]-[size=18pt] he's living in our country[/size], [size=18pt]and he needs to leave it at the airport when he's getting on the plane to England..[/size].etc. etc."

You could have taken the words changed the context and put them in the mouth of someone from the English defence league, no fucking problem.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1448979#msg1448979 date=1324475999]
[quote author=ElMalarkey link=topic=47188.msg1448962#msg1448962 date=1324475162]
There IS a need to present more evidence than the "evidence" we all know.

If it is just the "por que negro" incident, then my interpretation as a Uruguayan is it is not used as a slur. And to say that in that context "negro" refers to race is absurd. The word is colloquial. People throw it around, and certainly without considering England's historical role in the slave-trade and abolition. Just as when one says "pal": you're not considering the etymological Sanskrit meaning "brother."... I know its more loaded in this situation, all I'm saying is that the FA can't legislate a foreign word. A foreign word is NOT to be judged entirely by its English reductionist, literal interpretation. Maybe I'm mistaken, and maybe in England the rules of language change. Words don't mean what they mean, only what they sound like to an English ear... Coqs.

Well I'm sure by now we're all tired of this debate. It doesn't matter what you or I think. The FA has decided. I'm sure they're loving being portrayed as the only moral pillars in the footballing world, defenders of decency, etc etc. The more I read about it, the more unfair I believe this ban to be. I think the kid is being used as a whipping boy (English royal custom 15th + 16th century).

Fuck. It's not about semantics or history. The kid is being dragged through the mud on a fucking mere pretext. I hope the appeal can be presented to a reasonable panel.
[/quote]

Great post. Yes, this has finally given the FA the grandstand they needed to stick it up the foreigners. It is amazing how xenophobia is informing the press and FA's response to this case.

And this has certainly percolated down. I heard a (self identifying) black guy from London on the phone this morning, talking about the case, and getting angrier as he talked.

"I'm not having it that it is OK to say it in south America. He's in England now, [size=14pt]he's happy enough to take our money[/size]-[size=18pt] he's living in our country[/size], [size=18pt]and he needs to leave it at the airport when he's getting on the plane to England..[/size].etc. etc."

You could have taken the words changed the context and put them in the mouth of someone from the English defence league, no fucking problem.
[/quote]

Interesting that you have emboldened the 'our', it's his country too is it not? That's where he would differ from the English Defence League and its a shame you don't see it.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1448983#msg1448983 date=1324476141]
I really hope Evra is sure about what he's said.
[/quote]

I don't think there's any doubt Suarez said something that is considered offensive here ... There's no evidence whatsoever from anyone that can hint to otherwise.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=47188.msg1448985#msg1448985 date=1324476176]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1448979#msg1448979 date=1324475999]
[quote author=ElMalarkey link=topic=47188.msg1448962#msg1448962 date=1324475162]
There IS a need to present more evidence than the "evidence" we all know.

If it is just the "por que negro" incident, then my interpretation as a Uruguayan is it is not used as a slur. And to say that in that context "negro" refers to race is absurd. The word is colloquial. People throw it around, and certainly without considering England's historical role in the slave-trade and abolition. Just as when one says "pal": you're not considering the etymological Sanskrit meaning "brother."... I know its more loaded in this situation, all I'm saying is that the FA can't legislate a foreign word. A foreign word is NOT to be judged entirely by its English reductionist, literal interpretation. Maybe I'm mistaken, and maybe in England the rules of language change. Words don't mean what they mean, only what they sound like to an English ear... Coqs.

Well I'm sure by now we're all tired of this debate. It doesn't matter what you or I think. The FA has decided. I'm sure they're loving being portrayed as the only moral pillars in the footballing world, defenders of decency, etc etc. The more I read about it, the more unfair I believe this ban to be. I think the kid is being used as a whipping boy (English royal custom 15th + 16th century).

Fuck. It's not about semantics or history. The kid is being dragged through the mud on a fucking mere pretext. I hope the appeal can be presented to a reasonable panel.
[/quote]

Great post. Yes, this has finally given the FA the grandstand they needed to stick it up the foreigners. It is amazing how xenophobia is informing the press and FA's response to this case.

And this has certainly percolated down. I heard a (self identifying) black guy from London on the phone this morning, talking about the case, and getting angrier as he talked.

"I'm not having it that it is OK to say it in south America. He's in England now, [size=14pt]he's happy enough to take our money[/size]-[size=18pt] he's living in our country[/size], [size=18pt]and he needs to leave it at the airport when he's getting on the plane to England..[/size].etc. etc."

You could have taken the words changed the context and put them in the mouth of someone from the English defence league, no fucking problem.
[/quote]

Interesting that you have emboldened the 'our', it's his country too is it not? That's where he would differ from the English Defence League and its a shame you don't see it.
[/quote]

Don't be a tit. I emboldened the 'our' exactly because all this 'our country' bollocks is EDL territory- it is antithetical to the idea of multiculturalism- cosmopolitanism. It is precisely multiculturalism that is meant to dilute the 'our country' shite.
 
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez's Uruguay team mates have leapt to his defence over his eight-match suspension in England for an alleged racist remark against Manchester United's Patrice Evra.

They said people in Uruguay, where a large percentage of the population is black or of mixed race, were not racist and used terms such as 'negro' in an affectionate manner or as nicknames.

"I can't believe it. They're making a big mistake. It's obvious that in England there's a racism problem they're trying to eradicate, and that's good, but this sentence has no solid arguments," Uruguay captain Diego Lugano said.

"Luis is a victim. I can't understand how a player like Evra can do this. He's breaking all the codes of football
. We all know what kind of person Luis is and the values he has," the Paris St Germain defender wrote on his personal website (www.diegolugano.org).

The English FA suspended Suarez for eight matches and fined him 40,000 pounds ($62,800) for racially abusing Evra during a Premier League match at Anfield in October, saying he used "insulting words" in a reference to the French international's colour.

Lazio winger Alvaro Gonzalez, who won the Copa America with Uruguay in Argentina in July, said: "All of us who know Luis, we know that if he made this remark it wasn't (meant to be) insulting.

"We Uruguayans, and more so in football, use terms that can be wrongly interpreted by people from other places...it's not a reason to call a Uruguayan a racist," he was quoted as saying by the Montevideo newspaper El Pais.

Gonzalez said Uruguay had a high percentage of people of African descent and that "Uruguayans often call friends 'negro' affectionately".

"Maybe we end up paying for entering other, perhaps more closed cultures
and which surely have discriminated against Evra at some moment for him to feel attacked in this situation."
 
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