The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[Y1]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446941#msg1446941 date=1324304681]
The fact is that he said he's heard Evra's team mates use the same phrase. I'm not sure how he was supposed to know there was something wrong with it, if that's the case.

And that's even if there is something wrong with using the phrase, we believe he did use.
[/quote]

Agreed.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=47188.msg1446972#msg1446972 date=1324305954]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1446929#msg1446929 date=1324304312]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=47188.msg1446760#msg1446760 date=1324295812]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446730#msg1446730 date=1324294049]
A couple of points.

1. It hasn't been confirmed what term Suarez actually used.

2. What is and isn't offensive in Spain is irrelevant. The incident took place in the UK.

3. People need to look at what Suarez has been charged with. The FA aren't deciding if he is a racist or not.
[/quote]

All good points, and the FA seem to have a cast iron case based on their charges. However because of what kingjulian just said, Suarez will have an equally cast iron case for defamation afterwards.
[/quote]

They're not all good points. Point 2 is garbage. Suarez is a Spanish speaker with, as yet, little English and that goes to the heart of what he meant by whatever he said. A decision based on the approach set out in point 2 would be easily overturned on judicial review.
[/quote]

In a judicial review you get to argue based on the principles of natural justice, fairness, and things like that. But in a hearing they tend to follow procedures. I'm pretty sure the FA have no procedures written down that tell the panel how to distinguish or account for culture. Ergo from an administrative view, the decision the panel make will be to say ignorance is no defense against breaking the rules. It's up to Suarez to show later those procedures were unjust and then fuck the FA over for ruining his reputation.
[/quote]

I don't think the panel will necessarily say that. If they follow those principles (and the chairman is a QC so he'll be well aware of them), they have to give Suarez' case a fair hearing and that has to include a full and proper response to the culture point. I'm not saying they definitely won't take the line you set out here, but I don't think it's nailed on that they will.

 

[doctor_mac]

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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446809#msg1446809 date=1324298871]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446806#msg1446806 date=1324298718]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446803#msg1446803 date=1324298609]
Literally its "Because black" I think
[/quote]

or ?
[/quote]

Why, black man?
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or "Why, mate?"

All those translations are correct btw... although I think Rosco meant "por que" rather than "porque".
[/quote]

Isn't "por que" roughly translated "for what?" - so "for what, darling?".

A quick point: there seems an assumption by some that whatever Suarez said was out of anger/part of a heated exchange. My memory of the game leads me to think Evra was really wound up and Suarez seemed bemused at worst. No?
[/quote]

It was said as part of a heated exchange.
[/quote]

Plus nine other heated exchanges apparently. None of which were picked up by the Sky cameras, other players, anyone in the 44000 crowd or the referee. None of these heated exchanges were reported to the referee, apparently, until 20 minutes after the game ended.
[/quote]Innit mate. Like why have the FA even charged him. He clearly did nothing and even if he did, WHICH HE DIDNT, he was just saying mate or darling or something, but he didnt say it anyway, and if he did it was because he didnt know what he was saying or was just saying mate to evra who he well likes, i bet you can see him smiling in the exchanges, if there were any, but there werent cos nothing even happened, and even if it did and he said it and meant it bad, which he didnt obv, i dont care because hes ace and this is all just a government stitch up run by Fergie and suarez and the FA bre. Gemme.
[/quote]Fucking hell. I think there might be some real boxing on boxing day.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1446981#msg1446981 date=1324306444]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446941#msg1446941 date=1324304681]
The fact is that he said he's heard Evra's team mates use the same phrase. I'm not sure how he was supposed to know there was something wrong with it, if that's the case.

And that's even if there is something wrong with using the phrase, we believe he did use.
[/quote]

Agreed.
[/quote]

You guys must just stop ignoring the fact that Ross is right.

 

[monsieurdantes]

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1446981#msg1446981 date=1324306444]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446941#msg1446941 date=1324304681]
The fact is that he said he's heard Evra's team mates use the same phrase. I'm not sure how he was supposed to know there was something wrong with it, if that's the case.

And that's even if there is something wrong with using the phrase, we believe he did use.
[/quote]

Agreed.
[/quote]

Not agreed. Suarez is South American, so he must know those teammates used the phrase endearingly towards Evra, whereas he used it as an insult. Maybe he's being deliberately disingenuous so that he can bring attention to the fact it's not a racist thing to say. Either way in any language this is a pretty pathetic argument - "But miss, but miss, I only said it because he said it first miss".

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446917#msg1446917 date=1324302759]
Right Jack.

Suarez admits he said something that he knows set Evra off, and that it was said more than once.

Jack says nothing happened ever.

Sort yourself out. Anyone who watched the game could tell there was a row going on between Suarez and Evra, particularly after one tackle down on the right hand side of the pitch (from where the camera was )in the second half.
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Show me the post where I said nothing ever happened. Jesus Christ!

 

[Y1]

[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=47188.msg1446985#msg1446985 date=1324306843]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1446981#msg1446981 date=1324306444]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446941#msg1446941 date=1324304681]
The fact is that he said he's heard Evra's team mates use the same phrase. I'm not sure how he was supposed to know there was something wrong with it, if that's the case.

And that's even if there is something wrong with using the phrase, we believe he did use.
[/quote]

Agreed.
[/quote]

Not agreed. Suarez is South American, so he must know those teammates used the phrase endearingly towards Evra, whereas he used it as an insult. Maybe he's being deliberately disingenuous so that he can bring attention to the fact it's not a racist thing to say. Either way in any language this is a pretty pathetic argument - "But miss, but miss, I only said it because he said it first miss".
[/quote]

Wrong point of reference dantes. If a cuss word was used on you and you use it back, that is a fight or start of a fight. If you hear someone or my friend calling me a slant eye chinky and I did not react, how are you to know it is racially deeply abusive?

 

[monsieurdantes]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1446982#msg1446982 date=1324306579]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=47188.msg1446972#msg1446972 date=1324305954]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1446929#msg1446929 date=1324304312]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=47188.msg1446760#msg1446760 date=1324295812]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446730#msg1446730 date=1324294049]
A couple of points.

1. It hasn't been confirmed what term Suarez actually used.

2. What is and isn't offensive in Spain is irrelevant. The incident took place in the UK.

3. People need to look at what Suarez has been charged with. The FA aren't deciding if he is a racist or not.
[/quote]

All good points, and the FA seem to have a cast iron case based on their charges. However because of what kingjulian just said, Suarez will have an equally cast iron case for defamation afterwards.
[/quote]

They're not all good points. Point 2 is garbage. Suarez is a Spanish speaker with, as yet, little English and that goes to the heart of what he meant by whatever he said. A decision based on the approach set out in point 2 would be easily overturned on judicial review.
[/quote]

In a judicial review you get to argue based on the principles of natural justice, fairness, and things like that. But in a hearing they tend to follow procedures. I'm pretty sure the FA have no procedures written down that tell the panel how to distinguish or account for culture. Ergo from an administrative view, the decision the panel make will be to say ignorance is no defense against breaking the rules. It's up to Suarez to show later those procedures were unjust and then fuck the FA over for ruining his reputation.
[/quote]

I don't think the panel will necessarily say that. If they follow those principles (and the chairman is a QC so he'll be well aware of them), they have to give Suarez' case a fair hearing and that has to include a full and proper response to the culture point. I'm not saying they definitely won't take the line you set out here, but I don't think it's nailed on that they will.
[/quote]

Panels are invariably a bunch of cunts that revel in being smug. They will say "Luis, these are the rules, and as per our official remit we must apply them to the letter, we didn't make the rules luis, it is just our job to see they are followed, blah blah blah (under their breath you can hear them thinking oooh official remit, I have a remit and you don't, ner ner ner, I guess you should bend down and suck my decrepit cock, cos you know I have an offcial remit...to have my cock sucked)". Cowardly, smug, cuntish. You're being very charitable to them to think any better of the outcome.

 

[Dave]

Loving this thread. I really enjoy how irate people get on an internet forum about a subject where a 100% of the facts are not known. It is captivating if nothing else.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author='Dave' link=topic=47188.msg1446993#msg1446993 date=1324307202]
Loving this thread. I really enjoy how irate people get on an internet for about a subject where a 100% of the facts are not known. It is captivating if nothing else.
[/quote]

Come sit next to me Dave. I got popcorn.

 

[EmreChan]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446825#msg1446825 date=1324299296]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47188.msg1446821#msg1446821 date=1324299158]
There's 4 camps in this thread

1) the he's a cunty racist group, who hope he isn't but aren't surprised he is and expect him to go down (lol)
2) the he's not racist in his language group, who think he said something to wind someone up which isn't racist where he's from
3) the he's our racist group, who know he's racist and don't give a fuck
4) the fuck this for a game of soldiers group, which is me

No one is going to change their opinion and people are just going to get wound up

In my mind there is no right answer in this so I'm leaving with this...

Gareth...fucking....barry

[/quote]

Don't forget 5) Doc Mac's Merry Band of Racists that are much cleverer than everyone else
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Explain how understanding that a word has different meanings and connotations in different cultures constitutes as racism?

Also, you can't take literal translations too seriously. I speak Cantonese and 'white man' is literally translated as 'ghost man' but can also be derogatory and mean 'foreign devil'. Now if I called you it in an angry manner than it's quite clear I mean it in the latter context. But if I said 'why, white man?' in Cantonese, to a white person, it is perfectly acceptable in Chinese culture. Context doesn't disappear just because of the country you are in.

 

[Y1]

[quote author=Chan link=topic=47188.msg1446997#msg1446997 date=1324307376]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446825#msg1446825 date=1324299296]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47188.msg1446821#msg1446821 date=1324299158]
There's 4 camps in this thread

1) the he's a cunty racist group, who hope he isn't but aren't surprised he is and expect him to go down (lol)
2) the he's not racist in his language group, who think he said something to wind someone up which isn't racist where he's from
3) the he's our racist group, who know he's racist and don't give a fuck
4) the fuck this for a game of soldiers group, which is me

No one is going to change their opinion and people are just going to get wound up

In my mind there is no right answer in this so I'm leaving with this...

Gareth...fucking....barry

[/quote]

Don't forget 5) Doc Mac's Merry Band of Racists that are much cleverer than everyone else
[/quote]

Explain how understanding that a word has different meanings and connotations in different cultures constitutes as racism?

Also, you can't take literal translations too seriously. I speak Cantonese and 'white man' is literally translated as 'ghost man' but can also be derogatory and mean 'foreign devil'. Now if I called you it in an angry manner than it's quite clear I mean it in the latter context. But if I said 'why, white man?' in Cantonese, to a white person, it is perfectly acceptable in Chinese culture. Context doesn't disappear just because of the country you are in.
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Exactly, like Chan said we also call the foreign devils red haired devils as well, and some of my ginger haired Caucasians/whites smile and guffaws at that.

 

[Oncy]

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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446809#msg1446809 date=1324298871]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446806#msg1446806 date=1324298718]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446803#msg1446803 date=1324298609]
Literally its "Because black" I think
[/quote]

or ?
[/quote]

Why, black man?
[/quote]

or "Why, mate?"

All those translations are correct btw... although I think Rosco meant "por que" rather than "porque".
[/quote]

Isn't "por que" roughly translated "for what?" - so "for what, darling?".

A quick point: there seems an assumption by some that whatever Suarez said was out of anger/part of a heated exchange. My memory of the game leads me to think Evra was really wound up and Suarez seemed bemused at worst. No?
[/quote]

It was said as part of a heated exchange.
[/quote]

Plus nine other heated exchanges apparently. None of which were picked up by the Sky cameras, other players, anyone in the 44000 crowd or the referee. None of these heated exchanges were reported to the referee, apparently, until 20 minutes after the game ended.
[/quote]Innit mate. Like why have the FA even charged him. He clearly did nothing and even if he did, WHICH HE DIDNT, he was just saying mate or darling or something, but he didnt say it anyway, and if he did it was because he didnt know what he was saying or was just saying mate to evra who he well likes, i bet you can see him smiling in the exchanges, if there were any, but there werent cos nothing even happened, and even if it did and he said it and meant it bad, which he didnt obv, i dont care because hes ace and this is all just a government stitch up run by Fergie and suarez and the FA bre. Gemme.
[/quote]Fucking hell. I think there might be some real boxing on boxing day.
[/quote]🙂
You dont mean that ya big frilly fart.
To be honest im just fucking around now. Im bored even trying to have a rational debate about something non of us know anything about.
Hopefully he'll be cleared of all charges and we can all move on.
Am I suprised that there are a number of posters I disagree with? No of course not, its always going to be that way about something like this. Im happy with how i feel about the whole things and dont expect any hearts and minds will be changed based on what a bunch of people say on a football forum.
Ultimately it boils down to this:
Person 1 - 'Well my speculation based on lack of all the facts is this (position A)'
Person 2 - 'How can you even think that!!!? Its clear that given the lack of facts or understanding I have that position B is correct'

And lets face it....thats fucking retarded.
Hopefully hes cleared and found not guilty and can get back to being just a horrible cunt who cant finish for shit rather than a racist horrible cunt who cant finish for shit.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1446918#msg1446918 date=1324302789]
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446891#msg1446891 date=1324301654]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=47188.msg1446864#msg1446864 date=1324300985]
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=47188.msg1446817#msg1446817 date=1324299099]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446809#msg1446809 date=1324298871]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446806#msg1446806 date=1324298718]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446803#msg1446803 date=1324298609]
Literally its "Because black" I think
[/quote]

or ?
[/quote]

Why, black man?
[/quote]

or "Why, mate?"

All those translations are correct btw... although I think Rosco meant "por que" rather than "porque".
[/quote]

Isn't "por que" roughly translated "for what?" - so "for what, darling?".

A quick point: there seems an assumption by some that whatever Suarez said was out of anger/part of a heated exchange. My memory of the game leads me to think Evra was really wound up and Suarez seemed bemused at worst. No?
[/quote]

It was said as part of a heated exchange.
[/quote]

Plus nine other heated exchanges apparently. None of which were picked up by the Sky cameras, other players, anyone in the 44000 crowd or the referee. None of these heated exchanges were reported to the referee, apparently, until 20 minutes after the game ended.
[/quote]Innit mate. Like why have the FA even charged him. He clearly did nothing and even if he did, WHICH HE DIDNT, he was just saying mate or darling or something, but he didnt say it anyway, and if he did it was because he didnt know what he was saying or was just saying mate to evra who he well likes, i bet you can see him smiling in the exchanges, if there were any, but there werent cos nothing even happened, and even if it did and he said it and meant it bad, which he didnt obv, i dont care because hes ace and this is all just a government stitch up run by Fergie and suarez and the FA bre. Gemme.
[/quote]

If you read my posts in this thread you will see that my opinion is that if Suarez is a racist then he deserves everything he gets. I know perfectly well that something went on, but from the evidence that we have seen, I form the opinion that if Evra genuinely felt that he was racially abused 10 times then he would not have waited until 20 minutes after the final whistle to report it to the referee.

That is my opinion, and Im sick of being ridiculed for it by people who want to ram their opinions down my throat.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1447006#msg1447006 date=1324308055]
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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446809#msg1446809 date=1324298871]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446806#msg1446806 date=1324298718]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446803#msg1446803 date=1324298609]
Literally its "Because black" I think
[/quote]

or ?
[/quote]

Why, black man?
[/quote]

or "Why, mate?"

All those translations are correct btw... although I think Rosco meant "por que" rather than "porque".
[/quote]

Isn't "por que" roughly translated "for what?" - so "for what, darling?".

A quick point: there seems an assumption by some that whatever Suarez said was out of anger/part of a heated exchange. My memory of the game leads me to think Evra was really wound up and Suarez seemed bemused at worst. No?
[/quote]

It was said as part of a heated exchange.
[/quote]

Plus nine other heated exchanges apparently. None of which were picked up by the Sky cameras, other players, anyone in the 44000 crowd or the referee. None of these heated exchanges were reported to the referee, apparently, until 20 minutes after the game ended.
[/quote]Innit mate. Like why have the FA even charged him. He clearly did nothing and even if he did, WHICH HE DIDNT, he was just saying mate or darling or something, but he didnt say it anyway, and if he did it was because he didnt know what he was saying or was just saying mate to evra who he well likes, i bet you can see him smiling in the exchanges, if there were any, but there werent cos nothing even happened, and even if it did and he said it and meant it bad, which he didnt obv, i dont care because hes ace and this is all just a government stitch up run by Fergie and suarez and the FA bre. Gemme.
[/quote]

If you read my posts in this thread you will see that my opinion is that if Suarez is a racist then he deserves everything he gets. I know perfectly well that something went on, but from the evidence that we have seen, I form the opinion that if Evra genuinely felt that he was racially abused 10 times then he would not have waited until 20 minutes after the final whistle to report it to the referee.

That is my opinion, and Im sick of being ridiculed for it by people who want to ram their opinions down my throat.
[/quote]Im sorry you feel ridiculed.
I love you.

 

[StevieM]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446968#msg1446968 date=1324305840]
I cant believe some people think nothing at all happened during the game.
[/quote]

But what happened Ross.

A player got wound up about something... that later, as in after the match had finished, got called racial abuse... that there's limited evidence of, by that I mean, no witnesses, ref didn't see it and Sky couldn't find footage of it. So....

None of us know what was said... maybe Suarez should have just called him a horrible, dirty, cunt and it all would have been fine. If it's about using verbal's to wind players up........ then that's a big fucking can of worms.

Whatever Suarez gets.... if EBJT doesn't get the same, after a police investigation, then the FA is proven to be racist.

 

[gene hughes]

This thread needs a poll.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1447007#msg1447007 date=1324308199]
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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446809#msg1446809 date=1324298871]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446806#msg1446806 date=1324298718]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446803#msg1446803 date=1324298609]
Literally its "Because black" I think
[/quote]

or ?
[/quote]

Why, black man?
[/quote]

or "Why, mate?"

All those translations are correct btw... although I think Rosco meant "por que" rather than "porque".
[/quote]

Isn't "por que" roughly translated "for what?" - so "for what, darling?".

A quick point: there seems an assumption by some that whatever Suarez said was out of anger/part of a heated exchange. My memory of the game leads me to think Evra was really wound up and Suarez seemed bemused at worst. No?
[/quote]

It was said as part of a heated exchange.
[/quote]

Plus nine other heated exchanges apparently. None of which were picked up by the Sky cameras, other players, anyone in the 44000 crowd or the referee. None of these heated exchanges were reported to the referee, apparently, until 20 minutes after the game ended.
[/quote]Innit mate. Like why have the FA even charged him. He clearly did nothing and even if he did, WHICH HE DIDNT, he was just saying mate or darling or something, but he didnt say it anyway, and if he did it was because he didnt know what he was saying or was just saying mate to evra who he well likes, i bet you can see him smiling in the exchanges, if there were any, but there werent cos nothing even happened, and even if it did and he said it and meant it bad, which he didnt obv, i dont care because hes ace and this is all just a government stitch up run by Fergie and suarez and the FA bre. Gemme.
[/quote]

If you read my posts in this thread you will see that my opinion is that if Suarez is a racist then he deserves everything he gets. I know perfectly well that something went on, but from the evidence that we have seen, I form the opinion that if Evra genuinely felt that he was racially abused 10 times then he would not have waited until 20 minutes after the final whistle to report it to the referee.

That is my opinion, and Im sick of being ridiculed for it by people who want to ram their opinions down my throat.
[/quote]Im sorry you feel ridiculed.
I love you.
[/quote]

8)

 

[doctor_mac]

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446806#msg1446806 date=1324298718]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446803#msg1446803 date=1324298609]
Literally its "Because black" I think
[/quote]

or ?
[/quote]

Why, black man?
[/quote]

or "Why, mate?"

All those translations are correct btw... although I think Rosco meant "por que" rather than "porque".
[/quote]

Isn't "por que" roughly translated "for what?" - so "for what, darling?".

A quick point: there seems an assumption by some that whatever Suarez said was out of anger/part of a heated exchange. My memory of the game leads me to think Evra was really wound up and Suarez seemed bemused at worst. No?
[/quote]

It was said as part of a heated exchange.
[/quote]

Plus nine other heated exchanges apparently. None of which were picked up by the Sky cameras, other players, anyone in the 44000 crowd or the referee. None of these heated exchanges were reported to the referee, apparently, until 20 minutes after the game ended.
[/quote]Innit mate. Like why have the FA even charged him. He clearly did nothing and even if he did, WHICH HE DIDNT, he was just saying mate or darling or something, but he didnt say it anyway, and if he did it was because he didnt know what he was saying or was just saying mate to evra who he well likes, i bet you can see him smiling in the exchanges, if there were any, but there werent cos nothing even happened, and even if it did and he said it and meant it bad, which he didnt obv, i dont care because hes ace and this is all just a government stitch up run by Fergie and suarez and the FA bre. Gemme.
[/quote]Fucking hell. I think there might be some real boxing on boxing day.
[/quote]🙂
You dont mean that ya big frilly fart.

[/quote]

Of course I don't mean it. But I am going to wipe my dick on your canapes man. And not the obvious fishy ones.

 

[themn]

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1447012#msg1447012 date=1324308296]
This thread needs a poll.
[/quote]

AT LAST !

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1447029#msg1447029 date=1324309062]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1447005#msg1447005 date=1324308032]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1446983#msg1446983 date=1324306782]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1446918#msg1446918 date=1324302789]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446912#msg1446912 date=1324302516]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446891#msg1446891 date=1324301654]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=47188.msg1446864#msg1446864 date=1324300985]
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=47188.msg1446817#msg1446817 date=1324299099]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446809#msg1446809 date=1324298871]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446806#msg1446806 date=1324298718]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446803#msg1446803 date=1324298609]
Literally its "Because black" I think
[/quote]

or ?
[/quote]

Why, black man?
[/quote]

or "Why, mate?"

All those translations are correct btw... although I think Rosco meant "por que" rather than "porque".
[/quote]

Isn't "por que" roughly translated "for what?" - so "for what, darling?".

A quick point: there seems an assumption by some that whatever Suarez said was out of anger/part of a heated exchange. My memory of the game leads me to think Evra was really wound up and Suarez seemed bemused at worst. No?
[/quote]

It was said as part of a heated exchange.
[/quote]

Plus nine other heated exchanges apparently. None of which were picked up by the Sky cameras, other players, anyone in the 44000 crowd or the referee. None of these heated exchanges were reported to the referee, apparently, until 20 minutes after the game ended.
[/quote]Innit mate. Like why have the FA even charged him. He clearly did nothing and even if he did, WHICH HE DIDNT, he was just saying mate or darling or something, but he didnt say it anyway, and if he did it was because he didnt know what he was saying or was just saying mate to evra who he well likes, i bet you can see him smiling in the exchanges, if there were any, but there werent cos nothing even happened, and even if it did and he said it and meant it bad, which he didnt obv, i dont care because hes ace and this is all just a government stitch up run by Fergie and suarez and the FA bre. Gemme.
[/quote]Fucking hell. I think there might be some real boxing on boxing day.
[/quote]🙂
You dont mean that ya big frilly fart.

[/quote]

Of course I don't mean it. But I am going to wipe my dick on your canapes man. And not the obvious fishy ones.
[/quote]I'll just be delighted to have canapes yo.

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1447037#msg1447037 date=1324310178]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1447029#msg1447029 date=1324309062]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1447005#msg1447005 date=1324308032]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1446983#msg1446983 date=1324306782]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1446918#msg1446918 date=1324302789]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446912#msg1446912 date=1324302516]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446891#msg1446891 date=1324301654]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=47188.msg1446864#msg1446864 date=1324300985]
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=47188.msg1446817#msg1446817 date=1324299099]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1446809#msg1446809 date=1324298871]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446806#msg1446806 date=1324298718]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1446803#msg1446803 date=1324298609]
Literally its "Because black" I think
[/quote]

or ?
[/quote]

Why, black man?
[/quote]

or "Why, mate?"

All those translations are correct btw... although I think Rosco meant "por que" rather than "porque".
[/quote]

Isn't "por que" roughly translated "for what?" - so "for what, darling?".

A quick point: there seems an assumption by some that whatever Suarez said was out of anger/part of a heated exchange. My memory of the game leads me to think Evra was really wound up and Suarez seemed bemused at worst. No?
[/quote]

It was said as part of a heated exchange.
[/quote]

Plus nine other heated exchanges apparently. None of which were picked up by the Sky cameras, other players, anyone in the 44000 crowd or the referee. None of these heated exchanges were reported to the referee, apparently, until 20 minutes after the game ended.
[/quote]Innit mate. Like why have the FA even charged him. He clearly did nothing and even if he did, WHICH HE DIDNT, he was just saying mate or darling or something, but he didnt say it anyway, and if he did it was because he didnt know what he was saying or was just saying mate to evra who he well likes, i bet you can see him smiling in the exchanges, if there were any, but there werent cos nothing even happened, and even if it did and he said it and meant it bad, which he didnt obv, i dont care because hes ace and this is all just a government stitch up run by Fergie and suarez and the FA bre. Gemme.
[/quote]Fucking hell. I think there might be some real boxing on boxing day.
[/quote]🙂
You dont mean that ya big frilly fart.

[/quote]

Of course I don't mean it. But I am going to wipe my dick on your canapes man. And not the obvious fishy ones.
[/quote]I'll just be delighted to have canapes yo.
[/quote]

I'll put a hint too much cinnamon in your mulled wine.

*sniggers at his own fiendishness*

 

[Oncy]

*shockedface*
YOU BASTARD!!!

 

[cochyn]

so has there been any developments or are we just yanking each other's chains over the word negrito?

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=StevieM link=topic=47188.msg1447009#msg1447009 date=1324308259]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446968#msg1446968 date=1324305840]
I cant believe some people think nothing at all happened during the game.
[/quote]

But what happened Ross.

A player got wound up about something... that later, as in after the match had finished, got called racial abuse... that there's limited evidence of, by that I mean, no witnesses, ref didn't see it and Sky couldn't find footage of it. So....

None of us know what was said... maybe Suarez should have just called him a horrible, dirty, cunt and it all would have been fine. If it's about using verbal's to wind players up........ then that's a big fucking can of worms.

Whatever Suarez gets.... if EBJT doesn't get the same, after a police investigation, then the FA is proven to be racist.
[/quote]

No confirmation of what was said has come out, but we know Suarez has admitted to saying he knows what it is he said that upset Evra. We know Suarez is denying he used the word "negro".

Some people seem to want to apologise for him no matter what he's done, which is distasteful. Those who have been trying to validate the use of "negro" might want to consider why Suarez would deny using it.

 

[Rosco]

Oncy while I was out shopping today I bought us some white pointed hats, so we can fit in at Drinkies.

 

[the count]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1447061#msg1447061 date=1324312587]
Oncy while I was out shopping today I bought us some white pointed hats, so we can fit in at Drinkies.
[/quote]I hope you got a new spoon as well mate.
That old one must be showing the signs of wear by now. 😉

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1447060#msg1447060 date=1324312544]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=47188.msg1447009#msg1447009 date=1324308259]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446968#msg1446968 date=1324305840]
I cant believe some people think nothing at all happened during the game.
[/quote]

But what happened Ross.

A player got wound up about something... that later, as in after the match had finished, got called racial abuse... that there's limited evidence of, by that I mean, no witnesses, ref didn't see it and Sky couldn't find footage of it. So....

None of us know what was said... maybe Suarez should have just called him a horrible, dirty, cunt and it all would have been fine. If it's about using verbal's to wind players up........ then that's a big fucking can of worms.

Whatever Suarez gets.... if EBJT doesn't get the same, after a police investigation, then the FA is proven to be racist.
[/quote]

No confirmation of what was said has come out, but we know Suarez has admitted to saying he knows what it is he said that upset Evra. We know Suarez is denying he used the word "negro".
Some people seem to want to apologise for him no matter what he's done, which is distasteful. Those who have been trying to validate the use of "negro" might want to consider why Suarez would deny using it.
[/quote]

Do we? First I heard that to be honest.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1447060#msg1447060 date=1324312544]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=47188.msg1447009#msg1447009 date=1324308259]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1446968#msg1446968 date=1324305840]
I cant believe some people think nothing at all happened during the game.
[/quote]

But what happened Ross.

A player got wound up about something... that later, as in after the match had finished, got called racial abuse... that there's limited evidence of, by that I mean, no witnesses, ref didn't see it and Sky couldn't find footage of it. So....

None of us know what was said... maybe Suarez should have just called him a horrible, dirty, cunt and it all would have been fine. If it's about using verbal's to wind players up........ then that's a big fucking can of worms.

Whatever Suarez gets.... if EBJT doesn't get the same, after a police investigation, then the FA is proven to be racist.
[/quote]

No confirmation of what was said has come out, but we know Suarez has admitted to saying he knows what it is he said that upset Evra. We know Suarez is denying he used the word "negro".

Some people seem to want to apologise for him no matter what he's done, which is distasteful. Those who have been trying to validate the use of "negro" might want to consider why Suarez would deny using it.
[/quote]

At least as many want to damn him automatically because he seems to have used a word which begins with the letters "negr", regardless of any other factor, which is every bit as bad.

And Suarez' denial (if he's actually made one) that he said "negro" just might be because he didn't. Sometimes the bleedin' obvious really is all there is to it.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

There seems to be a lot of stuff made up in this thread. I think I'll bow out until I've heard a few more facts.