The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[Spionkop69]

Its not a brilliant article. Its heavily slanted towards us because its written by an LFC fan!

Its not just the word he used, its the intent with which he used it. I'll acknowledge the fact that the word he is alleged to have used means something different in Suarez's home country or continent BUT if its such a nice phrase, then why was Suarez using it to wind him up?

Its possible that Suarez used it with a negative connotation otherwise why would he use it to wind someone up? As for all this "previous" Evra has, its well documented that he actually doesn't, it just suits some of us to slant it that way.

Anyway, I suspect he will be found not guilty, as will Terry and then the FA and other authorities will hope it will all go away so that they can continue to pride themselves on the racism stance.

I can't help think that some are allowing the MU connection cloud their judgement. I know I did at the beginning.

 

[Mystic]

Spoin, saying calm down mate in a patronising voice is one of the best ways to wind someone up!

 

[Modo]

I personally don't understand why he used the word Negrito or whatever. It's not like go around calling people little white men.
I've never in my life referred to someone as white person. Not even if Im trying to describe a persons looks.
Maybe it wasnt racism and maybe Suarez is a bit ignorant. But I still doubt that he's completely innocent.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47188.msg1428138#msg1428138 date=1321632409]
Its not a brilliant article. Its heavily slanted towards us because its written by an LFC fan!

Its not just the word he used, its the intent with which he used it. I'll acknowledge the fact that the word he is alleged to have used means something different in Suarez's home country or continent BUT if its such a nice phrase, then why was Suarez using it to wind him up?

Its possible that Suarez used it with a negative connotation otherwise why would he use it to wind someone up? As for all this "previous" Evra has, its well documented that he actually doesn't, it just suits some of us to slant it that way.

Anyway, I suspect he will be found not guilty, as will Terry and then the FA and other authorities will hope it will all go away so that they can continue to pride themselves on the racism stance.

I can't help think that some are allowing the MU connection cloud their judgement. I know I did at the beginning.
[/quote]

I don't accept that. First Evra says little and even suggests he doesn't want to make anything of it. Then that appalling old scarecrow of a manager of his gets involved and all of a sudden we're getting "ten times during the game" and all that jazz. Perhaps it's you and those who are saying similar things who don't want to face the possibility that Ginsoak really IS that much of a cunt and not just a pantomime villain.

 

[Gary25]

Adrian Durham on Talksport is undoubtedly a massive wind up merchant but he did make a good point there - that all Clubs should educate all foreign players of what language is and isn't acceptable in their respective leagues.

Would certainly avoid incidents like this occurring.

 

[Buddha]

Fuck, just typed out a long post on this and it disappeared!

In a nutshell I was making the point that Evra appeared wound up long before any perceived racial slurs - from the moment Suarez tackled him at the byline (then chasing him for the next 10 mins). Suarez appeared genuinely suprised at his reaction (shrugging his shoulders) and might have responded with the whole "calm down little man/dear" routine - thus winding him up more.

Many seem to be making the assumption that Evra reacted to something said, when at the time it appeared he took ridiculous umbrage to a fierce tackle and wouldn't let it go.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=47188.msg1428149#msg1428149 date=1321633649]
I personally don't understand why he used the word Negrito or whatever. It's not like go around calling people little white men.
I've never in my life referred to someone as white person. Not even if Im trying to describe a persons looks.
Maybe it wasnt racism and maybe Suarez is a bit ignorant. But I still doubt that he's completely innocent.
[/quote]

With respect Modo, you don't know that negrito means "little black man" either.

I suspect it has a few colloquial meanings.

 

[6TimesaRed]

[quote author=Mystic link=topic=47188.msg1428145#msg1428145 date=1321633263]
Spoin, saying calm down mate in a patronising voice is one of the best ways to wind someone up!
[/quote]

exactly what I was going to say.. I do not believe what he was saying was with racial intent...

its purely down to cultural differances that's the problem here..

There is a case for Suarez being ignorant to the fact of the offence he could cause or he is just plain naive.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1428150#msg1428150 date=1321633668]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47188.msg1428138#msg1428138 date=1321632409]
Its not a brilliant article. Its heavily slanted towards us because its written by an LFC fan!

Its not just the word he used, its the intent with which he used it. I'll acknowledge the fact that the word he is alleged to have used means something different in Suarez's home country or continent BUT if its such a nice phrase, then why was Suarez using it to wind him up?

Its possible that Suarez used it with a negative connotation otherwise why would he use it to wind someone up? As for all this "previous" Evra has, its well documented that he actually doesn't, it just suits some of us to slant it that way.

Anyway, I suspect he will be found not guilty, as will Terry and then the FA and other authorities will hope it will all go away so that they can continue to pride themselves on the racism stance.

I can't help think that some are allowing the MU connection cloud their judgement. I know I did at the beginning.
[/quote]

I don't accept that. First Evra says little and even suggests he doesn't want to make anything of it. Then that appalling old scarecrow of a manager of his gets involved and all of a sudden we're getting "ten times during the game" and all that jazz. Perhaps it's you and those who are saying similar things who don't want to face the possibility that Ginsoak really IS that much of a cunt and not just a pantomime villain.
[/quote]

I am one of Ferguson's biggest detractors mate. He may well be involved but we don't *know* that for certain. My point was, would we be looking for as many potential conspiracy theories if the accuser was not from that club? Its all supposition eh?

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Mystic link=topic=47188.msg1428145#msg1428145 date=1321633263]
Spoin, saying calm down mate in a patronising voice is one of the best ways to wind someone up!
[/quote]

I'm not saying Suarez is guilty or not guilty. I'm just looking at the variables.

Plus telling a black man to "calm down little black man" is also an excellent way to wind someone up. Did you see what I did there?

 

[Jack D Rips]

Im with JJ on this one. Although, obviously I cant prove it, Im very much inclined to the belief that Ferguson is the one driving this case.

Suarez is supposed to have abused Evra 10 times during the match but he waited for 20 minutes after the final whistle to report the matter to the ref.

In the intervening time he himself gave an interview to French TV, where he announced the "abuse" but stated that he didnt want to make a big thing out of it, whilst Ferguson gave an interview to Sky TV is which he accused Suarez of "diving all over the place"

If this was such a big issue why did he not report it immediately to the ref, or at least after it had happened for the second time.

 

[6TimesaRed]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47188.msg1428161#msg1428161 date=1321634319]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=47188.msg1428145#msg1428145 date=1321633263]
Spoin, saying calm down mate in a patronising voice is one of the best ways to wind someone up!
[/quote]

I'm not saying Suarez is guilty or not guilty. I'm just looking at the variables.

Plus telling a black man to "calm down little black man" is also an excellent way to wind someone up. Did you see what I did there?
[/quote]

But that depends on your cultural background and where you are from.. in Latin America the words used are not seen in the same context as they are over here.

To me that's offensive, but to a Latin American the word negrito isn't.

Cultural differances is the issue here..

 

[King Binny]

Former Manchester United forward Dwight Yorke believes that Gus Poyet's defence of Liverpool striker Luis Suarez regarding his racism charge is without merit.

The Brighton & Hove Albion manager accused Red Devils defender Patrice Evra of "crying like a baby" when referring to his reaction after Suarez's alleged racist remark.

"I can't agree with some of the comments," said Yorke. "I know we all come from different cultures and countries but to be calling someone a 'negro' in a different country is just not acceptable.

"We are now in the 20th century, we have moved on. There are a lot of different cultures living in society today. There is no way you have the divine right to call anyone any sort of names. That is not in the context of the world that we are living in at the moment.

"You can't go around calling people a black such and such or a white such and such or an Indian such and such or a Chinese such and such. That is forbidden in the world we live in now."

 

[Halmeister]

20th Century is it, Dwight?

 

[spider-Neil]

Ha ha move with the times, dwight.

 

[Halmeister]

According to Dwight, we're at the beginning of the 20th Century, so Suarez should be able to get away with a fair few racial slurs.

 

[themn]

*deep sigh*

 

[mark1975]

Surprised the FA haven't tried to rush this through before we play Chelsea X2 & City, you know, just to be cunts.

 

[Halmeister]

They probably want to wait until it's nearer the time that we play Man United and ban him then.

 

[doctor_mac]

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson believes Liverpool have been following an "agenda" in maintaining their defiant stance around Luis Suarez.

Ferguson has revealed United had been asked by the Football Association not to offer any comment on the row between Suarez and United defender Patrice Evra at Anfield last month, which has led to the Uruguay striker being charged with making racist comments.

That did not stop Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish confirming that the Merseyside giants still stood by their man, who continues to protest his innocence. The United boss said: "I have noticed it has been part of their agenda over the last couple of weeks."

 

[Sunny]

He's a nasty bitter despicable hateful little man. All the success in the world and still behaves like a spiteful little child. There's only one manager with 'agendas' in the EPL and that's this twat

 

[Buddha]

Fuck I hate that "man". What's even worse is that the media appear to laud him as some kind of master of mind games etc and lap up his every word.

A great manager. A pathetic and spiteful cretin of a man.

 

[Molbystwin]

Although I have not been one to blindly defend Suarez I also agree that Fergie is no doubt enjoying the discomfort he is in the position to give us ...

 

[Sunny]

http://youtu.be/l4_fQXwIV4E?t=35m30s

35 min 40 secs in.....

 

[Fabio]

Yeah but he's black, he can say that

Thems the rules

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47188.msg1428743#msg1428743 date=1321776712]
Yeah but he's black, he can say that

Thems the rules
[/quote]

He's a massive fuckwit

 

[Fabio]

That I won't debate

 

[themn]

Who that ?

 

[Fabio]

Evra. Thems the rules regarding the n word


Apparently

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=47188.msg1428689#msg1428689 date=1321743363]
Fuck I hate that "man". What's even worse is that the media appear to laud him as some kind of master of mind games etc and lap up his every word.

A great manager. A pathetic and spiteful cretin of a man.
[/quote]

In a nutshell. Regrettably the adulation he's received is testament to two things: (a) he is unquestionably a great manager and (b) too many people are only too ready to be cowed into sucking up to someone nasty enough to browbeat them into submission. It saves having to confront them. I have a theory that the old goat's got involved in this now because he knows that Kenny is an exception to that rule, and is both sufficiently tough and sufficiently wily to stand up to him.