The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
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No worries. Someone posted the video somewhere a while back if you haven't seen it.
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RedZeppelin
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I really think we need to wait and see what happens with this , everyone is just guessing at the moment .
Hopefully the FA will address this quickly now and we as a club don't go too defensive and protective on this . We should hold our hands up and say "ok , lets all sit down and sort this out ....if our player admits his wrong doing or is proved to be lying then we will address that " . And if he is found guilty then i'd like to hear of more being done then just match bans with all then forgotten , in the end who does that really help or change for the positive .
And I hate the way this is just seen as a "football" problem ....it's problem of society . It's not just up to football organisations to stamp out racism , if is done in all general levels of society then it wouldn't even enter into football . Obviously though Football organisations have a part to play in achieving that and can use their influence to help .
Hopefully the FA will address this quickly now and we as a club don't go too defensive and protective on this . We should hold our hands up and say "ok , lets all sit down and sort this out ....if our player admits his wrong doing or is proved to be lying then we will address that " . And if he is found guilty then i'd like to hear of more being done then just match bans with all then forgotten , in the end who does that really help or change for the positive .
And I hate the way this is just seen as a "football" problem ....it's problem of society . It's not just up to football organisations to stamp out racism , if is done in all general levels of society then it wouldn't even enter into football . Obviously though Football organisations have a part to play in achieving that and can use their influence to help .
At this moment in time no one knows what has or hasn't been said during the investigation apart from the people involved. All we know is that he's been charged. The club know the full facts and have threw there full weight behind Suarez in support. Until proven otherwise the lad should get our support untill the facts are out in the open. Then people can cast there judgements.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1426962#msg1426962 date=1321488293]
FFS the guy was charged with racial abuse. I presume both parties were interviewed the same as Evra and Suarez have been. All he had to do was say there was no racial abuse and THAT charge would have been dropped.
Lets get this straight. If Suarez is guilty I want to see him punished accordingly, but thereseems to be an attitude of guilty till proven innocent here. And fuck it Im not having that.
Add that to your disbelief!
People are putting words in Suarez's mouth from an interview, that he didnt say.
Im off to bed.
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Jack, I don't know if you're missing this on purpose or you just aren't reading the posts.
Evra didn't lay any accusation against the groundsman. It was laid by another employee of united who claimed that he heard the groundsman abusing Evra. On the basis of that accusation the groundsman was charged by the FA. When they asked Evra to give evidence (and only a fool wouldn't have asked him) he stated as he had always stated that he didn't hear the abuse. If he had he would probably have made an accusation. But he didn't so he didn't make any accusation. Now you seem to think that it's Evra's fault that the FA charged the groundsman. What was Evra supposed to do - tell the FA not to listen to someone else who was making the accusation?
Evra told them he heard no racial abuse and, guess what, the charge wasn't dropped. Why? Because Evra hearing it or Sep Blatter hearing it or bloody King Tut hearing it - they're stories all hold the same amount of importance to the legal process. Nothing unless they heard the abuse.
FFS the guy was charged with racial abuse. I presume both parties were interviewed the same as Evra and Suarez have been. All he had to do was say there was no racial abuse and THAT charge would have been dropped.
Lets get this straight. If Suarez is guilty I want to see him punished accordingly, but thereseems to be an attitude of guilty till proven innocent here. And fuck it Im not having that.
Add that to your disbelief!
People are putting words in Suarez's mouth from an interview, that he didnt say.
Im off to bed.
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Jack, I don't know if you're missing this on purpose or you just aren't reading the posts.
Evra didn't lay any accusation against the groundsman. It was laid by another employee of united who claimed that he heard the groundsman abusing Evra. On the basis of that accusation the groundsman was charged by the FA. When they asked Evra to give evidence (and only a fool wouldn't have asked him) he stated as he had always stated that he didn't hear the abuse. If he had he would probably have made an accusation. But he didn't so he didn't make any accusation. Now you seem to think that it's Evra's fault that the FA charged the groundsman. What was Evra supposed to do - tell the FA not to listen to someone else who was making the accusation?
Evra told them he heard no racial abuse and, guess what, the charge wasn't dropped. Why? Because Evra hearing it or Sep Blatter hearing it or bloody King Tut hearing it - they're stories all hold the same amount of importance to the legal process. Nothing unless they heard the abuse.
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RedZeppelin
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Ah i am so confused ....are we at the stage where "black" need to be commented out as it's offensive ?
Anyway , anybody any idea when this will be heard ? Surely they have to do it sooner rather than later.
And if he is found quilty then the club are going to look incredibly stupid . Why didn't they play this cautiously from the onset ? It would have been best for all parties .
If found guilty they've really cluster fucked this up .
Anyway , anybody any idea when this will be heard ? Surely they have to do it sooner rather than later.
And if he is found quilty then the club are going to look incredibly stupid . Why didn't they play this cautiously from the onset ? It would have been best for all parties .
If found guilty they've really cluster fucked this up .
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Squiggles
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We're fucked.
We're crap without Suarezist
We're crap without Suarezist
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1426913#msg1426913 date=1321483032]
No. I just found this article.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/793670/ce/uk/?cc=5739&ver=global
Seems he gets abused a lot does our Patrice
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I am sure the french people regards you as a winner anyway patrice. After all you led their team and made a whole nation proud....
And to the people here getting behind this arse in his meaningless attempt of playing victim well supported by Alex Ferguson: Fuck Off.
No. I just found this article.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/793670/ce/uk/?cc=5739&ver=global
Seems he gets abused a lot does our Patrice
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I am sure the french people regards you as a winner anyway patrice. After all you led their team and made a whole nation proud....
And to the people here getting behind this arse in his meaningless attempt of playing victim well supported by Alex Ferguson: Fuck Off.
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1427004#msg1427004 date=1321501885]
So it is ok to say f**k you, c**t at another player/referee/linesman but cannot say 'small bl**k friend'?
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Did you honestly post that? No I suppose it's not right to abuse anyone but it happens. Trouble is when you throw race into the mix then you are not just insulting one player are you...
I do not give a fuck about John Terry the sweet FA nor dolly questions from the press nor do I give a fuck about whether Evra is or is not a United cunt. IF Suarez was using Evras race to wind him up during a match then he needs to be punished and be seen to be punished, if your kids went out in the street and used racist language you would rightly stop them. Suarez is a representative of LFC and by extension us as fans and ultimately the individual supporter, me or you for example. I do not accept nor excuse racism nor should any of us and nor should the club.
It appears to be a clusterfuck to me, highly embarrassing for Suarez and for the club, I refuse to allow it to embarrass me by defending it through half arsed character assassination or deflection onto Terry or the press scouse witch-hunt.
By the way and while we are at it, if you are talking about the newspaper then you may wish to register your continuing disgust by spelling the word with asterisks but when talking about the fucking celestial object it is The Lying Rag, a big orange looking thing in the sky and absolutely blameless so perhaps reproaching it with asterisks is a bit fucking dozy.
Sorry to say like but tooooo many people on here have written too much and thought too little.
So it is ok to say f**k you, c**t at another player/referee/linesman but cannot say 'small bl**k friend'?
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Did you honestly post that? No I suppose it's not right to abuse anyone but it happens. Trouble is when you throw race into the mix then you are not just insulting one player are you...
I do not give a fuck about John Terry the sweet FA nor dolly questions from the press nor do I give a fuck about whether Evra is or is not a United cunt. IF Suarez was using Evras race to wind him up during a match then he needs to be punished and be seen to be punished, if your kids went out in the street and used racist language you would rightly stop them. Suarez is a representative of LFC and by extension us as fans and ultimately the individual supporter, me or you for example. I do not accept nor excuse racism nor should any of us and nor should the club.
It appears to be a clusterfuck to me, highly embarrassing for Suarez and for the club, I refuse to allow it to embarrass me by defending it through half arsed character assassination or deflection onto Terry or the press scouse witch-hunt.
By the way and while we are at it, if you are talking about the newspaper then you may wish to register your continuing disgust by spelling the word with asterisks but when talking about the fucking celestial object it is The Lying Rag, a big orange looking thing in the sky and absolutely blameless so perhaps reproaching it with asterisks is a bit fucking dozy.
Sorry to say like but tooooo many people on here have written too much and thought too little.
Re: Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=47188.msg1427065#msg1427065 date=1321517898]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1427004#msg1427004 date=1321501885]
So it is ok to say f**k you, c**t at another player/referee/linesman but cannot say 'small bl**k friend'?
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Did you honestly post that? No I suppose it's not right to abuse anyone but it happens. Trouble is when you throw race into the mix then you are not just insulting one player are you...
I do not give a fuck about John Terry the sweet FA nor dolly questions from the press nor do I give a fuck about whether Evra is or is not a United cunt. IF Suarez was using Evras race to wind him up during a match then he needs to be punished and be seen to be punished, if your kids went out in the street and used racist language you would rightly stop them. Suarez is a representative of LFC and by extension us as fans and ultimately the individual supporter, me or you for example. I do not accept nor excuse racism nor should any of us and nor should the club.
It appears to be a clusterfuck to me, highly embarrassing for Suarez and for the club, I refuse to allow it to embarrass me by defending it through half arsed character assassination or deflection onto Terry or the press scouse witch-hunt.
By the way and while we are at it, if you are talking about the newspaper then you may wish to register your continuing disgust by spelling the word with asterisks but when talking about the fucking celestial object it is the S**, a big orange looking thing in the sky and absolutely blameless so perhaps reproaching it with asterisks is a bit fucking dozy.
Sorry to say like but tooooo many people on here have written too much and thought too little.
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Post of the season.
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=47188.msg1427065#msg1427065 date=1321517898]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1427004#msg1427004 date=1321501885]
So it is ok to say f**k you, c**t at another player/referee/linesman but cannot say 'small bl**k friend'?
[/quote]
Did you honestly post that? No I suppose it's not right to abuse anyone but it happens. Trouble is when you throw race into the mix then you are not just insulting one player are you...
I do not give a fuck about John Terry the sweet FA nor dolly questions from the press nor do I give a fuck about whether Evra is or is not a United cunt. IF Suarez was using Evras race to wind him up during a match then he needs to be punished and be seen to be punished, if your kids went out in the street and used racist language you would rightly stop them. Suarez is a representative of LFC and by extension us as fans and ultimately the individual supporter, me or you for example. I do not accept nor excuse racism nor should any of us and nor should the club.
It appears to be a clusterfuck to me, highly embarrassing for Suarez and for the club, I refuse to allow it to embarrass me by defending it through half arsed character assassination or deflection onto Terry or the press scouse witch-hunt.
By the way and while we are at it, if you are talking about the newspaper then you may wish to register your continuing disgust by spelling the word with asterisks but when talking about the fucking celestial object it is the S**, a big orange looking thing in the sky and absolutely blameless so perhaps reproaching it with asterisks is a bit fucking dozy.
Sorry to say like but tooooo many people on here have written too much and thought too little.
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Post of the season.
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=47188.msg1427065#msg1427065 date=1321517898]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1427004#msg1427004 date=1321501885]
So it is ok to say f**k you, c**t at another player/referee/linesman but cannot say 'small bl**k friend'?
[/quote]
Did you honestly post that? No I suppose it's not right to abuse anyone but it happens. Trouble is when you throw race into the mix then you are not just insulting one player are you...
I do not give a fuck about John Terry the sweet FA nor dolly questions from the press nor do I give a fuck about whether Evra is or is not a United cunt. IF Suarez was using Evras race to wind him up during a match then he needs to be punished and be seen to be punished, if your kids went out in the street and used racist language you would rightly stop them. Suarez is a representative of LFC and by extension us as fans and ultimately the individual supporter, me or you for example. I do not accept nor excuse racism nor should any of us and nor should the club.
It appears to be a clusterfuck to me, highly embarrassing for Suarez and for the club, I refuse to allow it to embarrass me by defending it through half arsed character assassination or deflection onto Terry or the press scouse witch-hunt.
By the way and while we are at it, if you are talking about the newspaper then you may wish to register your continuing disgust by spelling the word with asterisks but when talking about the fucking celestial object it is the S**, a big orange looking thing in the sky and absolutely blameless so perhaps reproaching it with asterisks is a bit fucking dozy.
Sorry to say like but tooooo many people on here have written too much and thought too little.
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The bloody obvious point is that Evra was not winded up by any comments. He was winded up by a far superior player and team and went to the most coward attack back. If United rolled the game and won it he wouldnt even raised his eyebrow. What the hell is wrong with people. Alex Ferguson have been allowed to play this game for ages, and very few stands up to him. He was fucking all over Torres as a diver when OShea should have been sent off last season. He was all over Luis as a diver this time, and is helped by his arsehole captain.
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47188.msg1427004#msg1427004 date=1321501885]
So it is ok to say f**k you, c**t at another player/referee/linesman but cannot say 'small bl**k friend'?
[/quote]
Did you honestly post that? No I suppose it's not right to abuse anyone but it happens. Trouble is when you throw race into the mix then you are not just insulting one player are you...
I do not give a fuck about John Terry the sweet FA nor dolly questions from the press nor do I give a fuck about whether Evra is or is not a United cunt. IF Suarez was using Evras race to wind him up during a match then he needs to be punished and be seen to be punished, if your kids went out in the street and used racist language you would rightly stop them. Suarez is a representative of LFC and by extension us as fans and ultimately the individual supporter, me or you for example. I do not accept nor excuse racism nor should any of us and nor should the club.
It appears to be a clusterfuck to me, highly embarrassing for Suarez and for the club, I refuse to allow it to embarrass me by defending it through half arsed character assassination or deflection onto Terry or the press scouse witch-hunt.
By the way and while we are at it, if you are talking about the newspaper then you may wish to register your continuing disgust by spelling the word with asterisks but when talking about the fucking celestial object it is the S**, a big orange looking thing in the sky and absolutely blameless so perhaps reproaching it with asterisks is a bit fucking dozy.
Sorry to say like but tooooo many people on here have written too much and thought too little.
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The bloody obvious point is that Evra was not winded up by any comments. He was winded up by a far superior player and team and went to the most coward attack back. If United rolled the game and won it he wouldnt even raised his eyebrow. What the hell is wrong with people. Alex Ferguson have been allowed to play this game for ages, and very few stands up to him. He was fucking all over Torres as a diver when OShea should have been sent off last season. He was all over Luis as a diver this time, and is helped by his arsehole captain.
innocent until proven guilty
...but if he is found guilty he can fuck off for all I care
...but if he is found guilty he can fuck off for all I care
If negrito can be used as mate in Uruguay, how on earth can anyone get punished for that? The mob mentality on here is baffeling to say the least. The crux of the matter is did Suarez say the words with rascist intent? No. I certainly dont think so. The club and staff doesnt think so either.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=47188.msg1427077#msg1427077 date=1321519252]
If negrito can be used as mate in Uruguay, how on earth can anyone get punished for that? The mob mentality on here is baffeling to say the least. The crux of the matter is did Suarez say the words with rascist intent? No. I certainly dont think so. The club and staff doesnt think so either.
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That's all well and good mate, but where's your pitchfork?
You're not...one of them... a racist, are you?
If negrito can be used as mate in Uruguay, how on earth can anyone get punished for that? The mob mentality on here is baffeling to say the least. The crux of the matter is did Suarez say the words with rascist intent? No. I certainly dont think so. The club and staff doesnt think so either.
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That's all well and good mate, but where's your pitchfork?
You're not...one of them... a racist, are you?
I'll ask again.
Has Suarez actually admitted using the word "Negrito" My view of it is that the Guardian just took the word "Negrito" as an example of a word that could be open to interpretation, and some people then run with the idea that Suarez admitted using that word.
Has Suarez actually admitted using the word "Negrito" My view of it is that the Guardian just took the word "Negrito" as an example of a word that could be open to interpretation, and some people then run with the idea that Suarez admitted using that word.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1427085#msg1427085 date=1321520968]
I'll ask again.
Has Suarez actually admitted using the word "Negrito" My view of it is that the Guardian just took the word "Negrito" as an example of a word that could be open to interpretation, and some people then run with the idea that Suarez admitted using that word.
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It doesnt matter. Evra is a coward fuckhead, and that people let him and Fergie harras our player is unbefuckinglievable....
I'll ask again.
Has Suarez actually admitted using the word "Negrito" My view of it is that the Guardian just took the word "Negrito" as an example of a word that could be open to interpretation, and some people then run with the idea that Suarez admitted using that word.
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It doesnt matter. Evra is a coward fuckhead, and that people let him and Fergie harras our player is unbefuckinglievable....
I still believe Suarez's name will be cleared, and when it does, we better go after Manure hard hard core for slander etc.
Hansern - I also don't get the almost 'need' to want to find Suarez guilty on this site. There is no information whatsoever that hints that he is.
Hansern - I also don't get the almost 'need' to want to find Suarez guilty on this site. There is no information whatsoever that hints that he is.
If Suarez is found not guilty, I don't think Evra should be punished necessarily.
It'd have to be proven that he made it up, which is unlikely to happen.
It'd have to be proven that he made it up, which is unlikely to happen.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1427091#msg1427091 date=1321521343]
I still believe Suarez's name will be cleared, and when it does, we better go after Manure hard hard core for slander etc.
Hansern - I also don't get the almost 'need' to want to find Suarez guilty on this site. There is no information whatsoever that hints that he is.
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It wouldn't be for slander though would it, unless it can be proven that Evra made it up, which seems unlikely given that Suarez admits he said something.
Anyway, we will just have to see what happens. I am not going to condemn Suarez and nor can we say that Evra has made anything up.
I am interested in why he endured being called something offensive 10 times without ever telling the ref or his team mates about it during the match though.
I still believe Suarez's name will be cleared, and when it does, we better go after Manure hard hard core for slander etc.
Hansern - I also don't get the almost 'need' to want to find Suarez guilty on this site. There is no information whatsoever that hints that he is.
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It wouldn't be for slander though would it, unless it can be proven that Evra made it up, which seems unlikely given that Suarez admits he said something.
Anyway, we will just have to see what happens. I am not going to condemn Suarez and nor can we say that Evra has made anything up.
I am interested in why he endured being called something offensive 10 times without ever telling the ref or his team mates about it during the match though.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=47188.msg1427087#msg1427087 date=1321521118]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1427085#msg1427085 date=1321520968]
I'll ask again.
Has Suarez actually admitted using the word "Negrito" My view of it is that the Guardian just took the word "Negrito" as an example of a word that could be open to interpretation, and some people then run with the idea that Suarez admitted using that word.
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It doesnt matter. Evra is a coward fuckhead, and that people let him and Fergie harras our player is unbefuckinglievable....
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I wish people would stop telling me it doesnt fucking matter.
Can anyone, ANYFUCKINGONE, on here tell me what exactly Suarez said the his interview in Uruguay. Whether it matters or not, I want to know and I cant find it myself.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1427085#msg1427085 date=1321520968]
I'll ask again.
Has Suarez actually admitted using the word "Negrito" My view of it is that the Guardian just took the word "Negrito" as an example of a word that could be open to interpretation, and some people then run with the idea that Suarez admitted using that word.
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It doesnt matter. Evra is a coward fuckhead, and that people let him and Fergie harras our player is unbefuckinglievable....
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I wish people would stop telling me it doesnt fucking matter.
Can anyone, ANYFUCKINGONE, on here tell me what exactly Suarez said the his interview in Uruguay. Whether it matters or not, I want to know and I cant find it myself.
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RedZeppelin
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1427091#msg1427091 date=1321521343]
I still believe Suarez's name will be cleared, and when it does, we better go after Manure hard hard core for slander etc.
Hansern - I also don't get the almost 'need' to want to find Suarez guilty on this site. There is no information whatsoever that hints that he is.
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I think the belief is that if the FA are charging him after investigating for a month then they must have evidence .They're under a huge amount of pressure with these
race incidents .I think they'll feel they still have to charge him even if he used a supposedly 'innocent' term in spanish , like "negrito" .He may not get a huge ban or fine
for it but they'll want to be seen to be doing something . If that scenario is true of course.
Actually ...anybody any idea on if anything happened in Spain with the Fabregas / Kanoute supposed abuse ? All swept under the carpet like usually done there or was there even a story there in the 1st place ?
I still believe Suarez's name will be cleared, and when it does, we better go after Manure hard hard core for slander etc.
Hansern - I also don't get the almost 'need' to want to find Suarez guilty on this site. There is no information whatsoever that hints that he is.
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I think the belief is that if the FA are charging him after investigating for a month then they must have evidence .They're under a huge amount of pressure with these
race incidents .I think they'll feel they still have to charge him even if he used a supposedly 'innocent' term in spanish , like "negrito" .He may not get a huge ban or fine
for it but they'll want to be seen to be doing something . If that scenario is true of course.
Actually ...anybody any idea on if anything happened in Spain with the Fabregas / Kanoute supposed abuse ? All swept under the carpet like usually done there or was there even a story there in the 1st place ?
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