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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1426059#msg1426059 date=1321310527]
I know this isn't exactly on topic, but I've started to get long white hairs on my ear lobes. Anyone else have this? How do you deal with it?
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Figo can help
Figo JUST FOR MEN
 
You are now in the world of nose and ear strimming Gene. The first step is acceptance of the fact
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1425975#msg1425975 date=1321303714]
From my limited Spanish, anything -ito is little. So he called him a little black man. Id agree with JJ that it depends more on the way it was used i.e the words used with it.
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That was my first thought, I remembered that 'ito' bit from school. So, Suarez called him a "little black something"; TEN TIMES.

I'm not sure that anything will be proven here but it's pretty obvious what has gone on. And given the baying on here the other week when Terry was involved in something EXACTLY THE SAME, there are a hell of a lot of hypocritical views in this thread.
 
We have Evra's word that whatever was said, was said TEN TIMES. Nobody else seems to have heard or noticed it. Not even a deaf lipreader in the crowd.
 
Ive had hairs growing from my lobes for fucking YEARS. My nose/ear trimester gets used at least twice a week or I start to look like chewbacca.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47188.msg1426067#msg1426067 date=1321311799]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1425975#msg1425975 date=1321303714]
From my limited Spanish, anything -ito is little. So he called him a little black man. Id agree with JJ that it depends more on the way it was used i.e the words used with it.
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That was my first thought, I remembered that 'ito' [quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47188.msg1426067#msg1426067 date=1321311799]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1425975#msg1425975 date=1321303714]
From my limited Spanish, anything -ito is little. So he called him a little black man. Id agree with JJ that it depends more on the way it was used i.e the words used with it.
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That was my first thought, I remembered that 'ito' bit from school. So, Suarez called him a "little black something"; TEN TIMES.

I'm not sure that anything will be proven here but it's pretty obvious what has gone on. And given the baying on here the other week when Terry was involved in something EXACTLY THE SAME, there are a hell of a lot of hypocritical views in this thread.

[/quote]bit from school. So, Suarez called him a "little black something"; TEN TIMES.

I'm not sure that anything will be proven here but it's pretty obvious what has gone on. And given the baying on here the other week when Terry was involved in something EXACTLY THE SAME, there are a hell of a lot of hypocritical views in this thread.

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It doesn't mean a little black "something" it means a little black man. He called him little, black and a man. Nothing wrong there.

But its whatever else he said that may matter.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1426059#msg1426059 date=1321310527]
I know this isn't exactly on topic, but I've started to get long white hairs on my ear lobes. Anyone else have this? How do you deal with it?
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Nah, you white haired ear lobe whitey! Er is that racist?
 
Little black man might demean his manhood rather than being racist? Is that acceptable to demean some one's manhood?
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1426065#msg1426065 date=1321311324]
I don't want to dye them black, fucking hell.
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If colour is irrelevant, then why did you say:
"I know this isn't exactly on topic, but I've started to get long white hairs on my ear lobes. Anyone else have this? How do you deal with it?"

When you could have said:
"I know this isn't exactly on topic, but I've started to get long hairs on my ear lobes. Anyone else have this? How do you deal with it?"

You have to be careful what you say or someone might try to claim your were racist....
 
LOL at Nick Collins' question to The Brave One "I've known you a long time John, you're not racist are you?".
 
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47188.msg1426098#msg1426098 date=1321315441]
LOL at Nick Collins' question to The Brave One "I've known you a long time John, you're not racist are you?".
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Investigative journalism at its finest.
 
Lads, I'm no stranger to nasal hair, in fact I've been on here several times offering guidance to others on the subject. But long white hairs on my ear lobes is a whole other thing. I'm not sure whether to shave, pluck or use scissors.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1426103#msg1426103 date=1321316977]
Lads, I'm no stranger to nasal hair, in fact I've been on here several times offering guidance to others on the subject. But long white hairs on my ear lobes is a whole other thing. I'm not sure whether to shave, pluck or use scissors.
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Stop being a fanny and pull them the fcuk out.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1426103#msg1426103 date=1321316977]
Lads, I'm no stranger to nasal hair, in fact I've been on here several times offering guidance to others on the subject. But long white hairs on my ear lobes is a whole other thing. I'm not sure whether to shave, pluck or use scissors.
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Go to a Turkish Barbers. They'll cut your hair and incinerate ear hair as part of the deal. All for the bargain price of £7.

If you go to my local one on Canterbury.
 
My Colombian brother-in-law calls his brother "Negro" simply because his skin is slightly darker than his own. He loves his brother and definitely not trying to offend him.
 
From the Guardian

"Patrice Evra has been informed that he may have difficulty proving he was the victim of racial abuse from Luis Suárez, because of a counter-argument that certain variations of the N-word are not deemed offensive where the Liverpool player grew up, in Uruguay.

The Manchester United defender has accused Suárez of using racist language during a 1-1 draw at Anfield on 15 October and is waiting to discover whether, almost a month later, the Football Association will charge the Liverpool striker with misconduct. Top-level sources at Old Trafford say the offending word was uttered in Spanish and allegedly was a derivative of "negro", with Evra stating that it was used "at least 10 times".

However, Suárez has categorically denied racially abusing the Senegal?born France player and the FA's investigators are having to consider the different context with which words that would be considered offensive in England are commonly used in Uruguay and other Spanish-speaking countries.

"Negrito", for example, could have shocking connotations for someone without full knowledge of the nuances of the language. But the counter-argument is that this is one of several derivations that are used in many countries, with no derogatory meaning – often in the same way someone could be called "pal" or "

mate". An illustration of this comes in the form of the message Dani Pacheco, the Liverpool player who is currently on loan at Rayo Vallecano, sent to his Spain Under-21 team-mate Thiago Alcântara via Twitter on Friday. It begins: "Negrito, enjoy yourself …"

This was a conversation between two friends. In Uruguay, it is quite common for commentators to use the same word to describe Premier League players. Visitors to the country can be taken aback by this form of language. But other derivatives are also commonly used, often to describe people of all races in affectionate terms, including family members.

Whether Evra was aware of these nuances at the time is not clear, but he and United have subsequently been informed that the case does not merely rest on what Suárez said but also, crucially, the context in which his words were used. The two players were arguing at the time and it is beyond argument that Suárez was trying to wind up his opponent, but the crux of the matter is the meaning of whatever was said and differentiating between something that would not be offensive in one country but shocking in another.

Suárez, backed by Liverpool, has repeatedly protested his innocence. The forward, who scored all four goals as Uruguay beat Chile 4-0 on Friday, has not publicly disclosed the words he used. He said last week that it was not an insult but just a "way of expressing myself. I called him something his team-mates at Manchester call him, and even they were surprised by his reaction."

The complexities of a difficult, highly sensitive case help to explain why the FA has taken so long to decide whether to take action against Suárez. The player's poor grasp of English has also contributed, as all his interviews have been in Spanish, requiring careful translation.

Any case against him would also have to prove that, having played in Europe since 2006, he should be aware of what is acceptable or not. However, this would be a difficult task. If Suárez accepts he used one of the N?words, he would have the scope to argue it is a common and inoffensive term for someone of his background, citing a clash of language and culture between one player from South America and Europe.

Liverpool have let it be known they will ask the FA to take action against Evra if the governing body concludes that Suárez has no case to answer. However, the latest revelations throw up the possibility that both players have given a legitimate account of what happened, rather than it being a case of one man's word against another.

Kenny Dalglish, the Liverpool manager, has voiced his objections about the length of time the case is taking the FA, but it is still not clear when an announcement will be made. The case is so complex it may be that the FA needs to take advice from South America about the relevant linguistic issues before deciding whether or not to proceed any further.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1426040#msg1426040 date=1321308849]
And is Evra a partner or close friend of Suarez ?
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Yeah but we can use 'mate' or such terms as part of intimidatory banter too, "mate, you're a dickhead", "I'm going to kick your fuck in pal", "you look at me like that again amigo, and I'm going to stamp on your gonads" etc. etc.
 
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=47188.msg1426136#msg1426136 date=1321343435]
My Colombian brother-in-law calls his brother "Negro" simply because his skin is slightly darker than his own. He loves his brother and definitely not trying to offend him.
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What are their skin colour?
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1426138#msg1426138 date=1321344276]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1426040#msg1426040 date=1321308849]
And is Evra a partner or close friend of Suarez ?
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Yeah but we can use 'mate' or such terms as part of intimidatory banter too, "mate, you're a dickhead", "I'm going to kick your fuck in pal", "you look at me like that again amigo, and I'm going to stamp on your gonads" etc. etc.
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Don't call me buddy, pal.
 
[quote author=refugee link=topic=47188.msg1426146#msg1426146 date=1321345964]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1426138#msg1426138 date=1321344276]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1426040#msg1426040 date=1321308849]
And is Evra a partner or close friend of Suarez ?
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Yeah but we can use 'mate' or such terms as part of intimidatory banter too, "mate, you're a dickhead", "I'm going to kick your fuck in pal", "you look at me like that again amigo, and I'm going to stamp on your gonads" etc. etc.
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Don't call me buddy, pal.
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He's not your pal, friend
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1426138#msg1426138 date=1321344276]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1426040#msg1426040 date=1321308849]
And is Evra a partner or close friend of Suarez ?
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Yeah but we can use 'mate' or such terms as part of intimidatory banter too, "mate, you're a dickhead", "I'm going to kick your fuck in pal", "you look at me like that again amigo, and I'm going to stamp on your gonads" etc. etc.
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I'd argue the opposite is at least as likely.
 
[quote author=refugee link=topic=47188.msg1426146#msg1426146 date=1321345964]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1426138#msg1426138 date=1321344276]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1426040#msg1426040 date=1321308849]
And is Evra a partner or close friend of Suarez ?
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Yeah but we can use 'mate' or such terms as part of intimidatory banter too, "mate, you're a dickhead", "I'm going to kick your fuck in pal", "you look at me like that again amigo, and I'm going to stamp on your gonads" etc. etc.
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Don't call me buddy, pal.
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How about Al?
 
But people give all to little credit to Evra.

First he gives a face to the poor generation of French footballers that have been treated like slaves for decades. He stands up for them and lead them in their fight to get out of that regime they have been under for so long. Even small things like Anelka telling the coach to go fuck himself wasnt tolerated. All these poor guys needed a leader to take them out of their misery and in Evra they found a brave man which stood up for them. Not until after they decided to play poorly and go out of the world cup people would understand their long time suffer.

And now the very same man is giving a face to all the poor people over the world being harrassed due to color fo their skins. There are numerous victims probably identifying themselves with this poor mans struggle to be accepted in society. It is a very important fight to fight. First he is played of the pitch on purpose so he could build up his case about superior people abusing poor people.

I think Evra should be nominated for the nobel peace prize for his contributions to make this world better for billions of people similar to his miserable siituation.
 
Calling evra/ferdinand black is in no way racist

Calling evra/ferdinand a 'black cunt' is a whole different kettle of fish.
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=47188.msg1426162#msg1426162 date=1321349699]
But people give all to little credit to Evra.

First he gives a face to the poor generation of French footballers that have been treated like slaves for decades. He stands up for them and lead them in their fight to get out of that regime they have been under for so long. Even small things like Anelka telling the coach to go fuck himself wasnt tolerated. All these poor guys needed a leader to take them out of their misery and in Evra they found a brave man which stood up for them. Not until after they decided to play poorly and go out of the world cup people would understand their long time suffer.

And now the very same man is giving a face to all the poor people over the world being harrassed due to color fo their skins. There are numerous victims probably identifying themselves with this poor mans struggle to be accepted in society. It is a very important fight to fight. First he is played of the pitch on purpose so he could build up his case about superior people abusing poor people.

I think Evra should be nominated for the nobel peace prize for his contributions to make this world better for billions of people similar to his miserable siituation.
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And being Norwegian you should know what you're talking about there. 😉
 
Why would Evra's team-mates be surprised by his reaction if he was called negrito. They didn't have any Spanish speakers on the pitch that might know the cultural context.
 
[quote author=Boozer link=topic=47188.msg1426172#msg1426172 date=1321350664]
Why would Evra's team-mates be surprised by his reaction if he was called negrito. They didn't have any Spanish speakers on the pitch that might know the cultural context.
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Tehir goalie speaks nothing but spanish.
 
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