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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

People are critical to Suarez defence on this matter. I am schocked that he actually needed a defence at all. I just cant believe what I am reading, and how they have made a 115 page bullshit report over this. It is unbelievable. f course Suarez didnt ask for any cross examination of a lot of people that hadnt even heard the incident. And what is the incident? An argument were Evra says "why did you kick me?? Ill kick you back!!" What the fuck is going on in this world? Is he 5 years old?
 
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48021.msg1#msg1 date=1325429284]
Is this for fucking real? 115 pages of bullshit for Evra not getting over being fouled by Suarez!!? He was moaning about the fucking foul which he was awarded a free kick for 5 minutes earlier. If you cant handle being fouled then you should not play football... End off. FA should tell Evra to shut his mouth and take a foul as a man. And thats about it.

And it is interesting to see that the man starting the nig**r accusation is not Evra, it is Ferguson. Ferguson consequently used that word were no others used it. Fucking racist prick!
[/quote]

So this is really about Evra getting fouled then, not about what Suarez said afterwords?

I'm sure those conversations go on on the pitch every single game, without racist comments being made.
 
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[quote author=bkwitche link=topic=48021.msg1453534#msg1453534 date=1325429842]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48021.msg1#msg1 date=1325429284]
Is this for fucking real? 115 pages of bullshit for Evra not getting over being fouled by Suarez!!? He was moaning about the fucking foul which he was awarded a free kick for 5 minutes earlier. If you cant handle being fouled then you should not play football... End off. FA should tell Evra to shut his mouth and take a foul as a man. And thats about it.

And it is interesting to see that the man starting the nig**r accusation is not Evra, it is Ferguson. Ferguson consequently used that word were no others used it. Fucking racist prick!
[/quote]

So this is really about Evra getting fouled then, not about what Suarez said afterwords?

I'm sure those conversations go on on the pitch every single game, without racist comments being made.
[/quote]

Evra is clearly based on the so called "evidence" the source for the argument, the wind up and the arsehole here. "Why did you kick me" 5 minutes later?
 
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181. The experts noted that the use of the verb form "porque tu eres negro" is not the most usual
form for Montevidean Spanish, since the form of the verb "ser" most commonly used
would be the "vos" form, that is "porque (vos) sos negro". Nevertheless, a small percentage
of people from Montevideo do use the "tu" form (in contrast to Buenos Aires, where it is
rarely used) or even a mixture of both. In the interview with Mr Suarez the transcription
indicated to the experts that he uses the "tu" form of the verb, though there are other
filmed interviews published on the internet in which he uses the "vos" form of the verb.
Given that he has spent some considerable time in Europe it is possible that his use of
Spanish alters between Uruguayan and European contexts. It is also possible that Mr Evra,
who may have learned his Spanish in Spain, where the "vos" form is not used, may, when
recalling the incident in interview, have rendered Mr Suarez’s usage as the "tu" form, even
if Mr Suarez used the "vos" form.

This is so called evidence for what Luis Suarez said and meant? This? just cant get my head around this.... Fucking hell FA!! I mean FUCKIN HELL!!!
 
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I get what your saying, and I'm not 100% Suarez was guilty, but I know I haven't red all 115 pages and I'm guessing you haven't either. It's one thing to say the only evidence is Evra's statement, which is possibly a valid argument.

But saying Evra caused this by not getting over whatever foul happened is getting in to 'she was asking for it' territory when talking about rape.
 
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This is a fucking mess. Even if the club doesn't come out of it looking like it is trying to defend someone who racially abused another player (which it almost certainly will), it's definitely coming out of it looking like a bunch of shithouse amateurs.

If I could get a good price I'd sell Suarez tomorrow. Time for some realpolitik, this stain isn't going to wash off very easily. A few heads should roll in the club too, probably Comoli.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453341#msg1453341 date=1325419327]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=48021.msg1453335#msg1453335 date=1325419040]
Thats one of the things that bug me though, how they've come to the conclusion that Evra is the more reliable part. He's changed his story on several parts, they've looked beyond his previous cuntish behaviour, his sexual reference to his sister and the sudaca comment and the language experts found his version unusual. And he was questioned 4 times to Suarez 1.

Its not as cut and dry as you think. Its a joke Imho, but whatever Im done with this thread. Hope we fight it all the way, if Suarez is telling the truth of course. If not he desveres the ban.

But, would a person

with a black grandfather say, I dont talk to blacks? Really? Come on.
[/quote]

It's really clear you still haven't bothered to read it.


There was no sudaca comment. Suarez told the panel that Evra called him a South American in English. The language experts said sudaca would be an offensive term - amazingly somehow that started getting reported as what was said.


Sooner or later you're going to realise the club have lied all the way through this process, briefing the media with bullshit.
[/quote]

What about the sexual comment towards Suarez sister, that Evra confessed in his statement that he said. Is that a media bullshit lie aswell? Ffs Ross
 
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Well, the bottom line is that if Suarez had said "Because you are a rapist, a killer, a cunt, an idiot....." Whatever he had said would have been fine for everyone? Call him whatever abuse you want just dont say negro?
 
Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

it's in the report Hansern.

I suggest you go and read it - because you're just coming across as completely ignorant.

JJ on the other hand - proper fucking loony.
 
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I think people are being a bit naive about the whole thing, no one is saying the club went with the given media angle being they are big fat racists, more likely it was to protect their investment, they obviously don't want the LFC fans to turn on Suaraz, as they know they rest of the country will be, if we turn on him too it gives him very little reason to stick around.

I can understand why they done it, but I think it was a bit misjudged
 
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Gene: I don't think I've ever disagreed so strongly with you. Terry may or may not get convicted of a racist comment, but he's denied it so nobody's going to hold it against his club that they've supported him until due process is completed. What else is any club going to do? Why should anybody give a flying one about anyone daft enough, Ross included, to hold it against us? And if you're really that relaxed about letting them, the FA's kangaroo court and that shit-stirring old cnut in Salford hound our best player out of Liverpool and English football, I'm genuinely amazed.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1453552#msg1453552 date=1325430776]
it's in the report Hansern.

I suggest you go and read it - because you're just coming across as completely ignorant.

JJ on the other hand - proper fucking loony.
[/quote]

Cheers. I've read most of it, albeit late last night. I've said what I think of it and what I hope the club does, so I'll leave it at that.
 
Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

I reckon he's doomed here and I don't think it's because of a conspiracy. I think it's because he did a few stupid things.
 
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[quote author=bkwitche link=topic=48021.msg1453534#msg1453534 date=1325429842]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48021.msg1#msg1 date=1325429284]
Is this for fucking real? 115 pages of bullshit for Evra not getting over being fouled by Suarez!!? He was moaning about the fucking foul which he was awarded a free kick for 5 minutes earlier. If you cant handle being fouled then you should not play football... End off. FA should tell Evra to shut his mouth and take a foul as a man. And thats about it.

And it is interesting to see that the man starting the nig**r accusation is not Evra, it is Ferguson. Ferguson consequently used that word were no others used it. Fucking racist prick!
[/quote]

So this is really about Evra getting fouled then, not about what Suarez said afterwords?

I'm sure those conversations go on on the pitch every single game, without racist comments being made.
[/quote]

Or maybe similar comments (in both directions) are being regularly said in the heat of the game w/o any of the parties thinking of reporting them to the kindergarten teacher?

Insig, the more I think about the report the more I'm leaning to believe that the 115 pages are there for a reason - so that nobody (bar Rosco 😉) cares to read them and just read the bottom line.
 
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48021.msg1#msg1 date=1325430750]
Well, the bottom line is that if Suarez had said "Because you are a rapist, a killer, a cunt, an idiot....." Whatever he had said would have been fine for everyone? Call him whatever abuse you want just dont say negro?
[/quote]

And now you move on from blaming Evra to trying to justify the use of racist terms in the context of other verbal abuse.

It's just completely mental. Your making ten poor arguments in hopes they as up to one good one.

The only argument is whether Suarez used racist terminology or not. If he did he deserves this, I he didn't then this is wrong.

Any arguments of justification or why something that is just as bad is allowed every day is trying to muddy the waters with nonsense.

And the reason those things you said are not as serious as racial abuse is because those are thing people do and things they chose. Not things they are and have no choice in.
 
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[quote author=Woland link=topic=48021.msg1453563#msg1453563 date=1325431256]
I reckon he's doomed here and I don't think it's because of a conspiracy. I think it's because he did a few stupid things.
[/quote]

Steven Gerrard hit a DJ and was filmed doing so. It's a stupid thing to do, isn't it? Not sure if it isn't worse that what Suarez did.
He's not doomed here and Suarez is?
Why?!

Eric Cantona kicked a Crystal Palace fan during a football match. He was severely punished but was not doomed at Old Trafford and Suarez is.
Why?
 
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[quote author=bkwitche link=topic=48021.msg1453566#msg1453566 date=1325431559]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48021.msg1#msg1 date=1325430750]
Well, the bottom line is that if Suarez had said "Because you are a rapist, a killer, a cunt, an idiot....." Whatever he had said would have been fine for everyone? Call him whatever abuse you want just dont say negro?
[/quote]

And now you move on from blaming Evra to trying to justify the use of racist terms in the context of other verbal abuse.

It's just completely mental. Your making ten poor arguments in hopes they as up to one good one.

The only argument is whether Suarez used racist terminology or not. If he did he deserves this, I he didn't then this is wrong.

Any arguments of justification or why something that is just as bad is allowed every day is trying to muddy the waters with nonsense.

And the reason those things you said are not as serious as racial abuse is because those are thing people do and things they chose. Not things they are and have no choice in.
[/quote]

Well Evra is a stupid fuckhead. It is not an argument I have to make up. And it adds up. Accidentally he is a black stupid fuckhead. Suarez was kind enough to not adress him as a stupid fuckhead, he adressed him as mate. Negro is mate when said in his native language (it is also stated in the so called evidence). The person who translate this into nig**r is Alex Ferguson, not Patrice Evra.
 
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Just read on another site the FA used a language expert who wasn't from South America in order to retain impartiality.

Ludicrous, & explains the reason his findings being somewhat different to those from South American experts.

Also, why is there a specific FA regulation forbidding reference to players colour (which is bizarre &, ironically, racist), but not a players birthplace or culture?
 
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[quote author=jimmy link=topic=48021.msg1453568#msg1453568 date=1325431649]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48021.msg1453563#msg1453563 date=1325431256]
I reckon he's doomed here and I don't think it's because of a conspiracy. I think it's because he did a few stupid things.
[/quote]

Steven Gerrard hit a DJ and was filmed doing so. It's a stupid thing to do, isn't it? Not sure if it isn't worse that what Suarez did.
He's not doomed here and Suarez is?
Why?!

Eric Cantona kicked a Crystal Palace fan during a football match. He was severely punished but was not doomed at Old Trafford and Suarez is.
Why?
[/quote]

Oh for gods sake. That DJ refused to play best of Genesis!!! He defo should have seen it coming!!
 
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JJ, this is an honest question.

I'll preface it by saying I hate SAF's guts.

But do you really think he is so concerned a out us having one world class player, even though we are still clearly unable to function well as a team on a weekly basis, that he would fabricAte this in order to get that one player out of our team?

I just don't think he feels threatened in the least by us.
 
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48021.msg1453574#msg1453574 date=1325431957]
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=48021.msg1453568#msg1453568 date=1325431649]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48021.msg1453563#msg1453563 date=1325431256]
I reckon he's doomed here and I don't think it's because of a conspiracy. I think it's because he did a few stupid things.
[/quote]

Steven Gerrard hit a DJ and was filmed doing so. It's a stupid thing to do, isn't it? Not sure if it isn't worse that what Suarez did.
He's not doomed here and Suarez is?
Why?!

Eric Cantona kicked a Crystal Palace fan during a football match. He was severely punished but was not doomed at Old Trafford and Suarez is.
Why?
[/quote]

Oh for gods sake. That DJ refused to play best of Genesis!!! He defo should have seen it coming!!
[/quote]

Oops. Sorry. Stupid me. For some reason I thought there might be some other reason for this...
 
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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48021.msg1453545#msg1453545 date=1325430410]
This is a fucking mess. Even if the club doesn't come out of it looking like it is trying to defend someone who racially abused another player (which it almost certainly will), it's definitely coming out of it looking like a bunch of shithouse amateurs.

If I could get a good price I'd sell Suarez tomorrow. Time for some realpolitik, this stain isn't going to wash off very easily. A few heads should roll in the club too, probably Comoli.
[/quote]


course it will...it will all be forgotten in a few weeks when the media get bored . And like i said before if he plays really well and scores a few goals then it will all be about how he turned things around and worked hard to change for the better .
 
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Jules, I don't think there is a conspiracy as such, whereas you do. Clearly the FA decided it was in the mood to make an example of someone for a racism related offense but Suarez was dumb enough to let it happen to him and he even admits using the word 'negro' which was dumb both to say and to admit to. From then on the club had several options on how to deal with the thing but it took a very cynical and comically ineffective approach which now makes us look like idiots.

Now we may be prepared to go over the judgment and reasons and haggle about legal issues but the simple fact is that around the world this week people aren't bothering to do that. From LA to Tokyo it's being reported that a Liverpool player racially abused an opponent and that the club continues to defend him. For a club with aspirations to be a leading world club with a solid, trusted and respected image/brand this is a complete disaster. And it doesn't matter what happens from this point, we fucked up this whole affair and let it get to this point and now Liverpool FC is going to forever have an association with racist behavior and many people will now think of us the way I think of Lazio, for example. In reputational and financial terms this thing is a royal fuck-up.
 
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Interesting read from Brian Kettle:
Suarez, Evra & Reliable Witnesses
The verdict in the Suarez case hung on the reliability of the witness testimony. In blunt summary, the FA decided that Evra was a more reliable witness and therefore found Suarez guilty. Here are the crucial parts of the testimony with some analysis...

Is the Word “Negro” Racially Offensive?

The panel of language experts used by the FA described the connotations of the word “negro” as follows:

“It is important to grasp that the word "negro" is ambiguous in all countries and regions of Latin America. The word "negro" is by no means, however, always used offensively. The term can also be used as a friendly form of address to someone seen as somewhat brown-skinned or even just black-haired. It may be used affectionately between man and wife, or girlfriend/boyfriend, it may be used as a nickname in everyday speech, it may be used to identify in neutral and descriptive fashion someone of dark skin; several famous people in Uruguay are known as "el negro/la negra such-and-such".

The experts concluded that if the panel believed Evra’s version of events, they could assume the word "negro" was used in a racially offensive way. However, they say of Suarez’s version of events:

“The experts concluded their observations on Mr Suarez's account as follows. If Mr Suarez used the word "negro" as described by Mr Suarez, this would not be interpreted as either offensive or offensive in racial terms in Uruguay and Spanish-speaking America.”

The panel therefore needed to deem one of the accounts to be false in order to establish guilt, since Suarez’s defence was proved to be inoffensive in racial terms.

How Events Transpired

The conversation began with Evra saying "Concha de tu hermana" which translates as "your sister's pussy". Evra says he meant “fucking hell”. There is no dispute about who started the argument: it was Evra. There is no dispute about who threw the first insult: Evra. The dispute is whether Suarez’s reaction used racially offensive words. The FA ruled that it did.

So, how unreliable a witness was Suarez, and how reliable was Evra?

Immediately after Evra’s insult, the video evidence that can be lip-read shows Suarez saying "What did you say?" Suarez, before this video evidence came out, told the FA he said “What did you say?" That is a reliable statement.

They both agree that Evra then said "Why did you kick me?" What they dispute is the answer. Evra claims Suarez said "Because you are black". Suarez claims he said "it was just a normal foul" then shrugged his shoulders. The video evidence shows Suarez shrugging his shoulders, backing uphis testimony. So far, the video evidence supports Suarez.

Next comes the crucial piece of Suarez evidence, the part the FA panel relied heavily on to find him guilty. Suarez said in his statement “I was trying to defuse the situation”. Under cross examination, Suarez more or less admitted that he was not trying to defuse the situation. The FA used this admission to discredit Suarez as a witness.

The really important thing he says comes just after this comment: “Under no circumstances was this action intended to be offensive and most certainly not racially offensive. It was not in any way a reference to the colour of PE's skin.” This, the FA deemed, was also untrue.

The other evidence the FA panel relied on was the fact that Suarez’s story changes slightly. However, all of the changes can be fully explained by the fact that the situation happened very quickly and the fallibility of memory means that the exact sequences of events often merge into one. The FA acknowledge this as a possibility but do not accept it as an excuse.

There are inconsistencies in Evra’s testimony. In his evidence, Evra states that he told the players after the game that Suarez said he kicked him "porque tu eres negro" (“because I am black”). None of the four Spanish speaking Manchester United players recalled Evra saying this in their witness testimonies. In the FA’s report, they confirm this is the case but state that it is possible the players simply forgot he said it. They do not point to the other possibility: that he did not say it. Under this scenario, it could beused as evidencethat Evra is an unreliable witness.

There were four pieces of evidence presented by Suarez's lawyer to the FA that suggest Evra is an unreliable witness. The interesting one is the coin toss. Here is the transcript of that incident:

“Mr Marriner explained that he used a FIFA coin which is blue on one side and yellow on the other. He asked Mr Evra, as the visiting captain, to call the colour. Mr Marriner tossed the coin, it came down yellow, and he awarded it to Steven Gerrard who elected to stay in their current ends. Manchester United had kick off. Mr Evra remonstrated that he had called correctly but, Mr Marriner said, he had not. Mr Evra then spoke to Ryan Giggs about it, and Mr Marriner walked over to Mr Evra to assure him that he (Mr Marriner) had got it right. Mr Evra's evidence was that when such a coin wasused, he always called yellow given that the alternative, blue, is a Manchester City colour,which he would never call. The toss came down yellow and so Mr Evra knew that he had won it. He particularly wanted to change ends at the start, he explained to the referee that he had called yellow, and why he had done so. Mr Evra was angry but the referee did not change his mind.”

Evra either could not remember what colour he chose or lied about it afterwards. This at best questions his reliability as a witness and at worst suggests he is willing to lie to gain an advantage. Crucially, he reacted outwardly far more to the coin toss than he did in the goalmouth when he claimed that Suarez used the word “negro” five times. Had that really been the case, surely Evra’s reaction would have been much stronger?

Another inconsistency is Evra's use of the term "ten times" to describe how many times Suarez allegedly said "negro". Evra has retracted this claim and said it was a "figure of speech". Really?

What about previous form? Suarez has no history of any form of racism and is an ambassador for racial equality. Evra, on the other hand, has been at the centre of a racism scandal in the recent past. It was alleged that ground staff at Chelsea racially abused Evra in 2008. The allegation was thrown out and here is how the panel described Evra's testimony:

"We find Mr Evra's description exaggerated... There was no good reason for Mr Evra to have run over and barged Mr Griffin as he did. It was unnecessarily and gratuitously aggressive of Mr Evra... Mr Evra's suggestion that he was concerned about Mr Strudwick's safety is farfetched. They were two grown men having an apparently strong verbal disagreement but no more than that. The clear implication by Mr Evra that Mr Griffin's pitchfork gave some reason for concern about Mr Strudwick's safety is ridiculous...We find Mr Evra's account exaggerated and unreliable. It is an attempt to justify a physical intervention by him which cannot reasonably be justified..."
Compare this to the conclusions drawn by the panel in the Suarez case:

"We considered it improbable that Mr Evra would act in such a dishonest way in order to damage the reputation of a fellow professional whose footballing skills he admires, with whom he had had no previous run-ins, and who he does not think is a racist."
There is therefore evidence to suggest that both Suarez and Evra made statements that were not 100% true during this case, and that Evra has a history of doing this. By using Evra’s account as “the truth”, the FA have concluded that Suarez’s entire evidence can be completely discredited whilst the inconsistencies in Evra’s testimony, and past,can be ignored.
 
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[quote author=bkwitche link=topic=48021.msg1453575#msg1453575 date=1325431981]
JJ, this is an honest question.

I'll preface it by saying I hate SAF's guts.

But do you really think he is so concerned a out us having one world class player, even though we are still clearly unable to function well as a team on a weekly basis, that he would fabricAte this in order to get that one player out of our team?

I just don't think he feels threatened in the least by us.
[/quote]

Perfectly fair question. The answer is yes. He knows the club has found its heart and soul again under Kenny, and he's seen that his own players can't cope with Suarez. As I've said elsewhere, I don't think he planned all this out, but I *do* think he saw his chance when Evra spoke to him after the game.
 
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[quote author=bkwitche link=topic=48021.msg1453575#msg1453575 date=1325431981]
JJ, this is an honest question.

I'll preface it by saying I hate SAF's guts.

But do you really think he is so concerned a out us having one world class player, even though we are still clearly unable to function well as a team on a weekly basis, that he would fabricAte this in order to get that one player out of our team?

I just don't think he feels threatened in the least by us.
[/quote]

Sir Alex Ferguson is concerned with anything that could give himself one inch of advantage. He would clearly lie for that. He will without even blinking his eyes claim that a ref i.e. is a useless cunt if it in the longer run give his own team an inch of advantage. He would pick one single decision against as "evidence" for his team being unfair treated by that ref, and kill his integrity for nothing. Yes this man would clearly fabricate evidence for harming us. No doubt about it. He went on live TV jst after the match and claimed Luis had dived all over the place! Just as he did with Torres the year before. No evidence to support his accusation, he dont need it either.
 
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Gene, the club is not defending racism. It's defending a player who believes and claims he did nothing racist. And BTW, nobody is saying he's racist (e.g. FA, Evra etc.).
There is a difference between the two.
 
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[quote author=jimmy link=topic=48021.msg1453568#msg1453568 date=1325431649]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48021.msg1453563#msg1453563 date=1325431256]
I reckon he's doomed here and I don't think it's because of a conspiracy. I think it's because he did a few stupid things.
[/quote]

Steven Gerrard hit a DJ and was filmed doing so. It's a stupid thing to do, isn't it? Not sure if it isn't worse that what Suarez did.
He's not doomed here and Suarez is?
Why?!

Eric Cantona kicked a Crystal Palace fan during a football match. He was severely punished but was not doomed at Old Trafford and Suarez is.
Why?
[/quote]

Gerrard wasn't convicted. Even if he was he was it was an off the field thing, didn't make a liar of him, and Gerrard isn't just a part of LFC, he is LFC. Cantona got a break because everyone secretly loved what he did. Suarez already has previous for biting and cheating and he comes out of this looking even scummier, like some idiot in a timewarp.

Maybe everyone will forget about it. Doubt it.
 
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[quote author=Woland link=topic=48021.msg1453586#msg1453586 date=1325432429]
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=48021.msg1453568#msg1453568 date=1325431649]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48021.msg1453563#msg1453563 date=1325431256]
I reckon he's doomed here and I don't think it's because of a conspiracy. I think it's because he did a few stupid things.
[/quote]

Steven Gerrard hit a DJ and was filmed doing so. It's a stupid thing to do, isn't it? Not sure if it isn't worse that what Suarez did.
He's not doomed here and Suarez is?
Why?!

Eric Cantona kicked a Crystal Palace fan during a football match. He was severely punished but was not doomed at Old Trafford and Suarez is.
Why?
[/quote]

Gerrard wasn't convicted. Even if he was he was it was an off the field thing, didn't make a liar of him, and Gerrard isn't just a part of LFC, he is LFC. Cantona got a break because everyone secretly loved what he did. Suarez already has previous for biting and cheating and he comes out of this looking even scummier, like some idiot in a timewarp.

Maybe everyone will forget about it. Doubt it.
[/quote]

1. Thanks for the honest response - especially the bolded part. However, this is no justice, although it's wrapped in a nice "package" to show it as justice.
2. Suarez had the biting issue - is it less severe than hitting a DJ in a pub? Gerrard was not convicted, but the cameras captured what he did. What does it say about the British justice?
3. Suarez cheating - are you referring to him handling the ball in the world cup? People in Uruguay idolize him for that. I'm sure you'd idolize Gerrard if he did it to get England to the WC semi final.
are you referring to his dives? Gerrard dives, Torres dives. Nobody here ever complained about it.
4. Everybody secretly loved what Cantona did. Why? because he punished a supporter who abused him? Well, why did Suarez get no sympathy after showing the finger to the Fulham fans who were taunting and abusing him?

Double standards? All the way!
 
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